R3216068E Posted August 21, 2015 Share #101 Posted August 21, 2015 Ridership on the Brown was very low except for on the Jamaica El. Ridership on the was very low the was going through a financial crisis so they decided to cut some subway lines that weren't really useful so the decided to send the to QBL to replace the so that riders from Broadway,Brooklyn can connect to Midtown Manhattan. The Brown was a nearly abandoned line that wasn't very useful as so as the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 21, 2015 Share #102 Posted August 21, 2015 But why the MTA let the go to Queens twice? I just hate the fact they changed it in 2010. They confused many riders when they discontinued the Brown and the Remember that Williamsburg is growing and it was shown that there was a need for another Williamsburg-Midtown route. Plus, it was easier to combine the and than keep the to Bay Parkway (or during the first time the cuts were announced, to Chambers Street) and the . Fun fact, today's was originally to be called the , but imagine the confusion on Myrtle Avenue on weekends compared to the 6th Avenue line on weekdays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted August 21, 2015 Share #103 Posted August 21, 2015 But why the MTA let the go to Queens twice? I just hate the fact they changed it in 2010. They confused many riders when they discontinued the Brown and the People are used to it. The back up until 1976 ran between 179th Street And Rockaway Park 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted August 21, 2015 Share #104 Posted August 21, 2015 Remember that Williamsburg is growing and it was shown that there was a need for another Williamsburg-Midtown route. Plus, it was easier to combine the and than keep the to Bay Parkway (or during the first time the cuts were announced, to Chambers Street) and the . Fun fact, today's was originally to be called the , but imagine the confusion on Myrtle Avenue on weekends compared to the 6th Avenue line on weekdays. Thats true, so you got a point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted August 21, 2015 Share #105 Posted August 21, 2015 People are used to it. The back up until 1976 ran between 179th Street And Rockaway Park Here comes Big ... NOW people are used to it. Before, like ive stated in this post, ridership was low because there wasn't enough residents living in Bu..*COUGH*..I mean Williamsburg. Now the ridership on the Myrtle Av Line went high, and the south part of Bklyn STILL needs help. The QBL has high ridership too, thats why I consider bringing back the Local and extend the to 71st on rush hour (some) and wkends. The QBL needs help too. The cant handle it by itself. The Queens Blvd line grew ridership like mad since 09. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted August 22, 2015 Share #106 Posted August 22, 2015 Here comes Big ... NOW people are used to it. Before, like ive stated in this post, ridership was low because there wasn't enough residents living in Bu..*COUGH*..I mean Williamsburg. Now the ridership on the Myrtle Av Line went high, and the south part of Bklyn STILL needs help. The QBL has high ridership too, thats why I consider bringing back the Local and extend the to 71st on rush hour (some) and wkends. The QBL needs help too. The cant handle it by itself. The Queens Blvd line grew ridership like mad since 09. 3 trains terminating at 71st during the Rush? Hell no. They can't even ease the congestion with the and terminating at 71st and I'm not talking Rush Hours. That problem goes on all day. The is good how it is now. It's a huge improvement over the and I've ridden the many times. It was DEAD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 22, 2015 Share #107 Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Here comes Big ... NOW people are used to it. Before, like ive stated in this post, ridership was low because there wasn't enough residents living in Bu..*COUGH*..I mean Williamsburg. Now the ridership on the Myrtle Av Line went high, and the south part of Bklyn STILL needs help. The QBL has high ridership too, thats why I consider bringing back the Local and extend the to 71st on rush hour (some) and wkends. The QBL needs help too. The cant handle it by itself. The Queens Blvd line grew ridership like mad since 09. Right, the can't handle QBL alone. That's why the is there. They can't bring back the because the 71st Ave relay tracks would become overwhelmed by having to turn the G, M and R at the same time during rush hours. It would be no different if the was brought back and that's why there was only the R and V on weekdays from 2002-10. The south part of Brooklyn? Do you mean the 4th Ave local? Does the really need help there too? How so? I know some folks in Bay Ridge are unhappy with the current R service and the 4th Ave local stops south of 36th St to the end of the line are seeing steadily increasing ridership, though still not at QBL levels. But additional service can't come unless the MTA has enough cars and funding to operate extra service. Bombardier's continuing troubles with building the R179s certainly aren't helping the situation. Nor is having to send R143s onto the J, because the L needs its trains to deal with its own continually growing ridership Remember that Williamsburg is growing and it was shown that there was a need for another Williamsburg-Midtown route. Plus, it was easier to combine the and than keep the to Bay Parkway (or during the first time the cuts were announced, to Chambers Street) and the . Fun fact, today's was originally to be called the , but imagine the confusion on Myrtle Avenue on weekends compared to the 6th Avenue line on weekdays. They had originally planned in 2009 to keep the as it was, eliminate / skip stop service in favor of an all-stop J on 8-minute rush hour headways and cut the M at either Broad or Chambers. Funding from Albany staved off that plan, but the next year, we got the service plan we currently have when Albany decided to cut the MTA's funding. Although they did originally plan to eliminate the letter M completely from the subway and call the combined service the V. Edited August 22, 2015 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 22, 2015 Share #108 Posted August 22, 2015 Nor is having to send R143s onto the J, because the L needs its trains to deal with its own continually growing ridership. I've heard that fewer R160s are out for CBTC work. I may not be correct though, but this is what I heard. But even then, I don't see why either when the 's fleet is almost entirely SMEEs (14 trainsets of 8-car R32 and 6 trainsets of 8-car R42 cars). They have plenty of R32s and R42s from ENY yard to be use in service on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted August 22, 2015 Share #109 Posted August 22, 2015 Basically ENY is using anything set of equipment to put on the to make up milage. A few R160s are out for CBTC work so they can add extra trains to the in December. It's true that the original plan was to sent the up to Metro and eliminate service but the costumers would be more comfortable with an designation than an so the decided to send the up to Forest Hills 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted August 22, 2015 Share #110 Posted August 22, 2015 I've heard that fewer R160s are out for CBTC work. I may not be correct though, but this is what I heard. But even then, I don't see why either when the 's fleet is almost entirely SMEEs (14 trainsets of 8-car R32 and 6 trainsets of 8-car R42 cars). They have plenty of R32s and R42s from ENY yard to be use in service on the . Those R42s are going through some major work actually which why they're in the yard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 24, 2015 Share #111 Posted August 24, 2015 Ridership on the Brown was very low except for on the Jamaica El. Ridership on the was very low the was going through a financial crisis so they decided to cut some subway lines that weren't really useful so the decided to send the to QBL to replace the so that riders from Broadway,Brooklyn can connect to Midtown Manhattan. The Brown was a nearly abandoned line that wasn't very useful as so as the . The correct term is discontinued, not abandoned. 3 trains terminating at 71st during the Rush? Hell no. They can't even ease the congestion with the and terminating at 71st and I'm not talking Rush Hours. That problem goes on all day. The is good how it is now. It's a huge improvement over the and I've ridden the many times. It was DEAD I see that all the time. The problem is fumigation. The RBB line would reroute M trains. This would relieve congestion at Forest Hills. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted August 24, 2015 Share #112 Posted August 24, 2015 The correct term is discontinued, not abandoned. I see that all the time. The problem is fumigation. The RBB line would reroute M trains. This would relieve congestion at Forest Hills. Na, I meant that nobody was riding it so it was like an abandoned route 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 24, 2015 Share #113 Posted August 24, 2015 Na, I meant that nobody was riding it so it was like an abandoned route not nobody, but not enough riders to justify the M running to Bay Parkway. Maybe an extension of the W once it comes back to Bay Pkwy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted August 24, 2015 Share #114 Posted August 24, 2015 not nobody, but not enough riders to justify the M running to Bay Parkway. Maybe an extension of the W once it comes back to Bay Pkwy. Yeah that would be a good idea but I don't think that Coney island yard would have enough trains for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted August 24, 2015 Share #115 Posted August 24, 2015 The wasn't standing room only during rush-hours. That tells you how many people rode that line. I'm glad they discontinued it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 24, 2015 Share #116 Posted August 24, 2015 not nobody, but not enough riders to justify the M running to Bay Parkway. Maybe an extension of the W once it comes back to Bay Pkwy. Why do the and need another line in South Brooklyn to help them when it's been clear that the old had always light ridership? The and currently run 10 tph at rush hours anyway. The Fourth Avenue Local and West End lines have enough frequent service at rush hour. Whether trains arrive on time or not is a different story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 24, 2015 Share #117 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Yeah that would be a good idea but I don't think that Coney island yard would have enough trains for that. Of course they don't. Edited August 24, 2015 by RollOver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 30, 2015 Share #118 Posted August 30, 2015 Not to get off topic, but is the R143 J running tomorrow on Sunday! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted August 30, 2015 Share #119 Posted August 30, 2015 Not to get off topic, but is the R143 J running tomorrow on Sunday! The set(s) run every second bro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 30, 2015 Share #120 Posted August 30, 2015 Why do the and need another line in South Brooklyn to help them when it's been clear that the old had always light ridership? The and currently run 10 tph at rush hours anyway. The Fourth Avenue Local and West End lines have enough frequent service at rush hour. Whether trains arrive on time or not is a different story. I was just saying that if another service was to be brought back down 4th avenue, it would be the W. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted September 2, 2015 Share #121 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) There are 3 sets of R143s currently running on the not sure if it's assigned but EVERYDAY you have a chance to at least catch 1 Edited September 2, 2015 by VIP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACEVE14 Posted September 3, 2015 Share #122 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) By far, this is the most suprising move ive ever seen done. Since the R143 is so close to a R160, I decided to do some videos of the catch. I'm as surprised they even done that too. I have a feeling with the R143's on the and , the lines could become potential candidates for CBTC installment. I'll be even more surprised if they made a strip map for the and lines similar to those on the , , , , , and lines. Edited September 3, 2015 by ACEVE14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 3, 2015 Share #123 Posted September 3, 2015 The (J)/(Z) is not getting CBTC anytime soon. They don't even use their existing capacity fully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1998NewFlyer Posted October 15, 2020 Share #124 Posted October 15, 2020 On 9/3/2015 at 3:18 PM, ACEVE14 said: I'll be even more surprised if they made a strip map for the and lines similar to those on the , , , , , and lines. Well 5 years later r143 J Z strip map 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted October 23, 2020 Share #125 Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 4:56 AM, 1998NewFlyer said: Well 5 years later r143 J Z strip map Yes. I took a pic of it on 8266 last week.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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