E train stuck for 2 hours under the east river

[Abba]

So this article explains everything that happened more or less in the comments.This was a real mechanical problem.i think about half maybe more of the "Mechanical Problems" are signal related.In any case a lot of

Comments said that 2 hours is inexcusable.The thing here was that it was in the east river.Im wondering if the MTA should come up with a plan if for some reason something goes wrong like this again that passengers shouldn't be stranded for 2 hours.I think a couple months ago there was a rail condition also under east river.There also 2 hours.I think there has too be better cordination.It can really be scary to be down there for 2 hours plus.

 

http://gothamist.com/2015/10/21/subway_singalong_u_guys.php

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Hey this is the great subway system everyone talks about...

[biGC323232]

Wow...For two hours...That's crazy

[jon2305]

Hey this is the great subway system everyone talks about...

And unfortunately the MTA whines & complains for more funding money. :-\

[ttcsubwayfan]

And unfortunately the MTA whines & complains for more funding money. :-\

 

And how are they to pay for improvements and expansions?

[Via Garibaldi 8]

And how are they to pay for improvements and expansions?

Hmm... Let's see... By cutting waste... The is a slave to pensions and other out of control costs.

[46Dover]

Found a YouTube where some of the passengers were rapping to DMX "Y'all gonna make me lose my mind".....

[peacemak3r]

Found a YouTube where some of the passengers were rapping to DMX "Y'all gonna make me lose my mind".....

 

There's a video in the link if you cared to check it.

[N6 Limited]

A video of people on the train during the delay I found on youtube: 

 

Ok so this whole incident is a little confusing. The stories say "after Lexington Ave 53rd street" and Videos taken on the train show the signs saying "This is Lexington Ave 53rd Street". Where was this train exactly?

[bobtehpanda]

Hmm... Let's see... By cutting waste... The is a slave to pensions and other out of control costs.

 

Pensions aren't exactly under the MTA's control. State-provided pensions for current employees are shielded from alteration by the state Constitution, and previous rounds of pension ballooning have been mostly instigated by the State agreeing; in fact, the 2005 strike was preceded by several attempts to give MTA workers a 20/50 pension plan via the Legislature. The last time a pension plan like this was put in place, the resulting deficits pushed the MTA to the brink of crisis in the '70s.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Pensions aren't exactly under the MTA's control. State-provided pensions for current employees are shielded from alteration by the state Constitution, and previous rounds of pension ballooning have been mostly instigated by the State agreeing; in fact, the 2005 strike was preceded by several attempts to give MTA workers a 20/50 pension plan via the Legislature. The last time a pension plan like this was put in place, the resulting deficits pushed the MTA to the brink of crisis in the '70s.

While that may be true, they still eat into the bottom line.  We have to start having a frank conversation about where taxpayer dollars are going since the keeps increasing the fares on the backs of the riders and complaining that they need more.  Even they admit that this isn't sustainable.  Now I run my own department and oversee all aspects of it (including the financial side of things as well), and I can tell right now that we'd be out of business if my department along with the other department in the company ran the way that the does.  Their operating costs eat up a good portion of what they take in (I would imagine at 60% from what I've read) and that continues to increase.  It's simply unsustainable long-term.  Hell look at all of the countries that have generous pensions for their citizens... Unless they're extremely wealthy like the Scandinavian countries such as oil rich Norway, or small countries with high standards of living and high taxes such as Denmark or Sweden, most have had to make reforms of some sort to the system either directly or indirectly. Germany was essentially a welfare state where NO ONE worked and they stayed home collecting benefits. They got rid of all of those cushy benefits and became the #1 economy in Western Europe once again.  I'm still of the belief that there is fat that can be cut.  Cuomo certainly understands this and if he is going to get a third term, he's going to need to re-examine the financial state of the .

[bobtehpanda]

While that may be true, they still eat into the bottom line.  We have to start having a frank conversation about where taxpayer dollars are going since the keeps increasing the fares on the backs of the riders and complaining that they need more.  Even they admit that this isn't sustainable.  Now I run my own department and oversee all aspects of it (including the financial side of things as well), and I can tell right now that we'd be out of business if my department along with the other department in the company ran the way that the does.  Their operating costs eat up a good portion of what they take in (I would imagine at 60% from what I've read) and that continues to increase.  It's simply unsustainable long-term.  Hell look at all of the countries that have generous pensions for their citizens... Unless they're extremely wealthy like the Scandinavian countries such as oil rich Norway, or small countries with high standards of living and high taxes such as Denmark or Sweden, most have had to make reforms of some sort to the system either directly or indirectly. Germany was essentially a welfare state where NO ONE worked and they stayed home collecting benefits. They got rid of all of those cushy benefits and became the #1 economy in Western Europe once again.  I'm still of the belief that there is fat that can be cut.  Cuomo certainly understands this and if he is going to get a third term, he's going to need to re-examine the financial state of the .

 

The MTA does say that pensions need to be changed for new hires every time contract negotiations come around, and every single time, it leads to brinkmanship, and at the first sign of a transit strike whoever is in the Governor's house loses their nerves and forces the MTA to accept unfavorable terms. That's what happened with the LIRR strike last year; Cuomo couldn't afford to lose downstate support (since that's what's left of his base), so he got Prendergast to kowtow to the unions and give into demands. The last governor who didn't bow was Pataki, but that's not a good example for Cuomo; Cuomo has higher ambitions, and all he has to do to look for a discouraging sign is to look at Pataki 2016.

 

Changing existing pensions for people currently employed or retired would require actually changing the state's Constitution, which is an entirely different set of worms.

[N6 Limited]

They should have let the LIRR strike while it was still summer time. Less people commuting and the ,NICE and Uber was ready.

[SubwayGuy]

You know what's unsustainable? Debt service costs to Wall Street. The MTA is always underfunded because it is a way for politicians to cast blame and abdicate responsibility for the region. Transportation enables the entire city economy, which is most of the state's revenue.

 

Pensions are a completely reasonable cost, that until we started with this idiotic Reagan era bullshit of bashing everything related to the working man while glorifying handouts for deadbeats and subsidies for the rich and big business. Pensions also save the taxpayers the cost of administering benefit programs later in life.

 

Social Security is a fully solvent program that would have remained so had government kept their filthy paws off it and stopped using it to "plug" their budgetary deficits to their incompetent financial planning. It is insurance against outliving retirement savings, it is not a government mandated pension, it is not an "entitlement" - it is something working people pay into their entire lives like insurance so that it will be there for them when they retire.

 

A pension is pretty much the same thing. Pay in now to get out later.

 

Look around you. Stop drinking the Kool Aid from these rich cocksuckers and look around you. When deadbeats are walking around with government paid for iPhones, rich people are eating filet mignon and drinking bottles of Dom on their yachts, and someone who's working their ass off 60 hours a week can't even retire with dignity, struggles to afford the cost of owning their own home or otherwise must put up with exponentially increasing rents to make their landlords rich, and the government goes bankrupt being incompetent...The 401K scam is not working. Yes, give Wall Street your money in limited choice mutual funds, let them gamble with it and take commissions from it or "asset management fees" all just to keep playing casino or crash...and hope it will still be there in the end..

 

And the first thing the f**king morons who opine on things want to blame is working people's pensions and retirement accounts? How about the almost half of our national budget going towards the military mostly intervening in foreign affairs? How about the billions of dollars in foreign aid spent futilly trying to buy the respect of countries that hate us, and that will ALWAYS hate us, but will still take our money? How about the amounts spent on government services for illegals and their ilk before we take care of citizens here? How about the exorbitant pensions in Congress for a bunch of rich douchebags who don't need another pension, who can afford to purchase their own healthcare, and whose government service to vest is miniscule compared to that of the average city or state worker?

 

Why don't we start cutting that? Why don't we start paying down the national debt (note: debt = / = budget deficit...they are different!)? And while we're at it, why don't we pay down the national debt when we get a budgetary surplus instead of immediately spending the surplus on some stupid pork barrel crap? You know what happens when you retire national debt? You reduce debt service cost, which makes the budgetary surplus bigger. And you can pay off more debt.

 

But by all means let's sit around and listen to a bunch of a**holes with way more money than all of us tell us that unions and pensions are the reason this country can't compete globally anymore. Because we "pay too much" to those greedy workers, because they want to be paid better than slaves in third world countries who represent our economic competition in a lowest bidder rat race to the bottom. Because they want a dignified retirement when more and more people end up totally reliant on the government at the end which costs the country money, or die working. Never mind the record corporate profits, bonuses, shareholder payments, skyrocketing income disparity between the very rich and everyone else which is unhealthy for an economy that used to be driven by consumer spending. No, the whole reason everything has gone to shit is the working people just won't accept their place down with the deadbeats who do nothing, and demand $25 an hour instead of $10 or $15. But ignore the guy making $400, or $4000 an hour! And those damn pensions! Those lazy employees who do all the dirty work we can't/won't, if they'd just donate 5% of their gross pay to a company fund, we can go down to Vegas, and put it all on black once a month, and keep half the winnings when we win as incentive fees, and charge 2% when we lose as management fee...everyone would be rich! Now that's a retirement plan you can believe in along with this:

 

 

An E train stuck in a tunnel for 2 hours has nothing to do with whether or not there should be capital funding. But let's get the sheep bleating about how we can't give the MTA money until we do an audit (auditors cost money though! cool waste of money bro). No, It actually has a lot more to do with a country that has an embarrasingly stupid educational system where everyone gets a participation trophy even if they can't read, all the way up to and in some cases through college (just give us your tuition dollars plz) and the proliferation of that into our workforce and our political system. And a culture that glorifies greed above all else. Suck, and make money sucking. Hey, isn't that how the Kardashians got famous?

 

This country is screwed if people don't stop listening to the media and figure out that we have ALL been hoodwinked, and that it's time to stop with the flag waving, start soul searching. We have some very nasty weeds in our nation's garden, and it's time to rip them the hell out of the ground and sit back and enjoy the screaming as they get pulled.

[NewFlyer 230]

The Queens Blvd Line recently has been suffering from a lot of mechanical problems. Just heard on the news how there is was problem along the and line in the early rush. Back in August the was terminated at 57th at on the Broadway line while and some (E)'s were running local. Trust me those are only some things I experience there are more that I had to deal with.