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If those open gangway cars pass, where the f**k do think those cars are gonna go

Besides the (A) where else those cars you think those cars are gonna go.

The (E)(F) has the highest ridership in the B division. They're not gonna waste time putting cars like these on those lines. Not gonna be 100% but they'll end up there.

 

And I never said Jamaica is loosing all the R160's. Only a chunk, could be up to 250 or more cars. 

 

Historiclly queens always got new cars first with the exception of the R42's and R68's.

 

Coney Island should wait, there's no need to give them these cars so early. The base order isn't gonna replace all the R46's. 

They could easily give Jamaica 200-250 cars that could push out 200-250 R160's back to CI. To bump out a small portion of R160's. It's obvious the (A) is getting them first. 

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21 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

R32.... Wally is not a role model. Just because something makes sense to you does not make it fact.

 

given the rollout history of the mainline B division New Techs, I would think they would be more likely to start them on the N or the A... oh, look, guess where the R46s are.

Dude 

Use common sense

They don't always put new cars on lines to directly replace them.

The R160's only directly replaced the CI R42's and some R40's at CI yard. Everything else was pushed to other lines to retire their cars. ENY R42's > Jamaica to kill off the phase II R32's. R160's killed off the R42's at Jamaica plus pushed out R46's to pitkin to kill off the R38's and R40's.

 

If that were the case the (A) would have gotten R160's 

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2 hours ago, VIP said:

So it’s YOU starting this rumor. Just because the cars have wider doors and a line has heavy ridership, doesn’t necessarily make a line a definite contender. Jamaica just got a surplus of R160’s for Queens Boulevard CBTC. It’s bad enough Queens Boulevard has two different CBTC companies... why would Transit put R211’s there when the priority is to REPLACE R46’s and the remaining R32’s?! Who cares about them board meetings. Thats all pre planning and hypothetical information. It’s a meeting not a contractual agreement. 

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190122_1400_CPOC.pdf read this at page 29

It says the first R211A test train was scheduled to be delivered in July 2020, In Close coordination in conjunction with the installation of CBTC on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, which must provide the on-board equipment, mock-ups, drawings and other technical information for Kawasaki’s use, is required in order to insure on time delivery of the Initial Train in July 2020, Thereafter, new R211 cars would be produced and delivered at a rate of 30 to 40 cars per month. Which This Means Jamaica Yard will be receiving R211s for CBTC in QBL and Return/Swap all R160s back to Coney Island Yard.

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13 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

If those open gangway cars pass, where the f**k do think those cars are gonna go

Besides the (A) where else those cars you think those cars are gonna go.

The (E)(F) has the highest ridership in the B division. They're not gonna waste time putting cars like these on those lines. Not gonna be 100% but they'll end up there.

 

And I never said Jamaica is loosing all the R160's. Only a chunk, could be up to 250 or more cars. 

 

Historiclly queens always got new cars first with the exception of the R42's and R68's.

 

Coney Island should wait, there's no need to give them these cars so early. The base order isn't gonna replace all the R46's. 

They could easily give Jamaica 200-250 cars that could push out 200-250 R160's back to CI. To bump out a small portion of R160's. It's obvious the (A) is getting them first. 

R211s are replacing all R46s and R44s, new R211 cars would be produced and delivered at a rate of 30 to 40 cars per month.

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14 hours ago, VIP said:

I don’t Know where anyone got this idea that the (E)(F) and (R) is getting R211’s. Stop it. It’s ok to speculate and make educated guesses. But to banter and carry on as such is very much exhausting. I will say this; as an Employee I can surely, and 100 percent vouch that Jamaica yard is NOT sending R160’s back to Coney Island when R211’s arrive. The R211’s are Replacing R46’s and remaining R32’s NOT the R160’s. 

In the case of F and R getting r211's?? It's a rumor.

However, the MTA said in last months board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will only be compatible with r179's and r211's, which means that the E will get the r211's since it runs on 8th Avenue.

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2 hours ago, SubwayFan3000 said:

It says the first R211A test train was scheduled to be delivered in July 2020, In Close coordination in conjunction with the installation of CBTC on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, which must provide the on-board equipment, mock-ups, drawings and other technical information for Kawasaki’s use, is required in order to insure on time delivery of the Initial Train in July 2020,

Uh no, all that means is that the R211s will be designed to meet Queens Blvd CBTC specifications (already installed on the R160s) which is also the new systemwide CBTC standard.

11 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

However, the MTA said in last months board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will only be compatible with r179's and r211's, which means that the E will get the r211's since it runs on 8th Avenue.

Again, they said that R179s and R211s would receive CBTC for that purpose, not that those two fleets are the only cars compatible. Any car with the new systemwide standard (starting with QBL equipped units) can run on any of the new and upcoming installations.

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55 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

In the case of F and R getting r211's?? It's a rumor.

However, the MTA said in last months board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will only be compatible with r179's and r211's, which means that the E will get the r211's since it runs on 8th Avenue.

8th Avenue CBTC will not be compatible with R211s?

40 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Uh no, all that means is that the R211s will be designed to meet Queens Blvd CBTC specifications (already installed on the R160s) which is also the new systemwide CBTC standard.

Again, they said that R179s and R211s would receive CBTC for that purpose, not that those two fleets are the only cars compatible. Any car with the new systemwide standard (starting with QBL equipped units) can run on any of the new and upcoming installations.

First of all, I'm fully aware of Fleet Swaps Between CI Yard and Jamaica, Second I'm aware that Jamaica will be fully R160s but when R211s are replacing R46s, R211s produced and delivered at a rate of 30 to 40 cars per month, it will be going to first to CI Yard and Pitkin by Replacing all the R46s and R44s, then after that it will go to Jamaica Yard in conjunction with the installation of CBTC on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, by that time in 2021 CBTC in QBL will be completed and activated. so that means Jamaica Yard might be fully R211s and Coney Island Yard might be R160s again.

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11 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

 

dude do you see how big those doors are, Its very obvious they're getting them and they were always planned to get them.  why in the f**k would they not give Jamaica these cars knowing queens has the highest ridership. these will come with CBTC on board and in the (MTA) board meeting they did say the (E) is getting these as well as the (A) and (C) and in the future the (N)(W)  (Astoria CBTC) along with the (Q) would get em as well.

those R160's are going back once those R211's are coming in.

 

the Question is would Jamaica get the Base order or the option order?

 

nobody speculating, You're just talking out of your ass again

Who says the base order can’t go to CI and the option order can’t go to Jamaica? I presume most of the R211 base order is going to be standard closed-end cars and that - if successful - the R211T (open-end) cars will be on the option order. Given the Jamaica lines’ high ridership, they should get more of the open-gangway cars. 

5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

In the case of F and R getting r211's?? It's a rumor.

However, the MTA said in last months board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will only be compatible with r179's and r211's, which means that the E will get the r211's since it runs on 8th Avenue.

8th Avenue CBTC should be compatible with R160s too. Why wouldn’t it be? Please tell me they are not going to use two completely incompatible systems on QBL and 8th Avenue that would somehow restrict R160s from operating on the 8th Avenue Line. Because that would be downright foolish and incompetent on the MTA’s part. In more ways than one.

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9 minutes ago, nightmare402 said:

NOT all R46's are being replaced only the oldest one

All R46s are going by 2024. see here on page 70: https://new.mta.info/document/13836

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Average Fleet Age

Today: 23 years

August 2023 (projected): 22 years

- R42 (-50 cars)

- R32 (-222 cars)

+ R211 (+535 cars)

- R46 (-240 cars)

December 2024 (projected): 20.5 years

+ R211 (+650 cars)

- R46 (-512 cars)

 

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6 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Uh no, all that means is that the R211s will be designed to meet Queens Blvd CBTC specifications (already installed on the R160s) which is also the new systemwide CBTC standard.

Again, they said that R179s and R211s would receive CBTC for that purpose, not that those two fleets are the only cars compatible. Any car with the new systemwide standard (starting with QBL equipped units) can run on any of the new and upcoming installations.

Thanks for the clarification.

I guess we have to wait and see what the MTA will decide on the r211 car assignments.

But I think that the open gangway trains should operate on lines that have very high ridership.

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21 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Dude 

Use common sense

They don't always put new cars on lines to directly replace them.

The R160's only directly replaced the CI R42's and some R40's at CI yard. Everything else was pushed to other lines to retire their cars. ENY R42's > Jamaica to kill off the phase II R32's. R160's killed off the R42's at Jamaica plus pushed out R46's to pitkin to kill off the R38's and R40's.

 

If that were the case the (A) would have gotten R160's 

You don’t get to tell someone to use common sense if you are going with that line of reasoning.

common sense would say Jamaica is going to be R160 for the foreseeable future.

 

ps... I’m not a dude.

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3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

You don’t get to tell someone to use common sense if you are going with that line of reasoning.

common sense would say Jamaica is going to be R160 for the foreseeable future.

 

ps... I’m not a dude.

so that means (N)(Q)(W) will be 100% Crappy R46s that is falling apart, Thanks A LOT MTA for Getting Rid of New R160s Trains from (N)(Q)(W) Line, Astoria and Upper East Side residents, get ready for more of these mechanical problems because the MTA decided to give us R46s from the 1970s that are literally falling apart badly. To launch CBTC, Remember how long it took for you guys to upgrade the (7). It will encounter the same or Worse delays because of the complexity of the job, So the R160s should be sent back to the (N)(Q)(W) until it's fully ready and by then the new R211s will already be here. The standard should be the newest trains like R211s in Jamaica Yards, The failed design from the older cars like r46s, R68s, R44s and R32s needs to go. You want to regress or progress MTA? Can’t wait to pay more for a shittier ride consistently! that is why Astoria and Upper East Side Residents would like us to know why we now are subject to their failures? smh. 🤦‍♂️

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Honestly, it makes perfect sense to leave the 160s at Jamaica and send most of the 211s to CIY, 207, and Pitkin.

Simply put, the (A)(C)(G)(N)(Q) and (W) (currently my educated guesses on where the 211s will primarily run outside of the few we all seem to agree will go to QBL) are services that tend to be very congested at rush hour.

Unlike the QBL (which will have CBTC online by the time the first 211s go into passenger service), these lines will still be mostly manual and can't run anywhere near as much service.

To compensate, the (MTA) might be operating on the thinking that since they can't expand service yet, mitigate congestion with the wider doors and open gangways.

This is why I think there won't be any 160s leaving Jamaica.

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2 hours ago, SubwayFan3000 said:

so that means (N)(Q)(W) will be 100% Crappy R46s that is falling apart, Thanks A LOT MTA for Getting Rid of New R160s Trains from (N)(Q)(W) Line, Astoria and Upper East Side residents, get ready for more of these mechanical problems because the MTA decided to give us R46s from the 1970s that are literally falling apart badly. To launch CBTC, Remember how long it took for you guys to upgrade the (7). It will encounter the same or Worse delays because of the complexity of the job, So the R160s should be sent back to the (N)(Q)(W) until it's fully ready and by then the new R211s will already be here. The standard should be the newest trains like R211s in Jamaica Yards, The failed design from the older cars like r46s, R68s, R44s and R32s needs to go. You want to regress or progress MTA? Can’t wait to pay more for a shittier ride consistently! that is why Astoria and Upper East Side Residents would like us to know why we now are subject to their failures? smh. 🤦‍♂️

What is the big deal about the N, Q, W getting r46's?? At least the r46's are in better shape than the r32's and r44's. At least the N, Q, W has gotten NTT's in the past and will eventually get them again, unlike the B, D, G, 1, 3, etc which has never gotten NTT's and BTW last year the A got some NTT's for the first time.

Anyways, the NQW will do fine with the r46's until their retirement, which is a couple of years from now.

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12 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

unlike the B, D, G, 1, 3, etc which has never gotten NTT's and BTW last year the A got some NTT's for the first time.

So? Just because other lines have gotten NTTs does not mean the whole system should be. That will only be as soon as last of the SMEEs retire for good. The subway in general is a people mover, not a wealthy mansion.

And those R46s are not as great as you seem to think they are, especially at age 45.

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46 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

What is the big deal about the N, Q, W getting r46's?? At least the r46's are in better shape than the r32's and r44's. At least the N, Q, W has gotten NTT's in the past and will eventually get them again, unlike the B, D, G, 1, 3, etc which has never gotten NTT's and BTW last year the A got some NTT's for the first time.

Anyways, the NQW will do fine with the r46's until their retirement, which is a couple of years from now.

 

23 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

So? Just because other lines have gotten NTTs does not mean the whole system should be. That will only be as soon as last of the SMEEs retire for good. The subway in general is a people mover, not a wealthy mansion.

And those R46s are not as great as you seem to think they are, especially at age 45.

I've ride the R46s, It is becoming much like R32s and R42s, it is suffering from a mechanical problems and it is falling apart, i'm paying more for a shittier ride consistently thanks to the fleet swap between Coney Island Yard and Jamaica. It takes a Hour from Queensboro plaza to Ditmars blvd where i live.

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