Lance Posted January 19, 2018 Share #901 Posted January 19, 2018 I kind of wanted someone new to get in on this contract. With Bombardier out of the running for the near future, Kawasaki has a near monopoly on train cars here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted January 19, 2018 Share #902 Posted January 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Meh, kind of expected. I mean who else would be set to build the R211s besides a banned company. 4 minutes ago, Lance said: I kind of wanted someone new to get in on this contract. With Bombardier out of the running for the near future, Kawasaki has a near monopoly on train cars here. Don't think CRRC might have a shot beyond the R211? Especially after the results with CTA and MBTA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted January 19, 2018 Share #903 Posted January 19, 2018 From what I understand, Kawasaki won the contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 19, 2018 Share #904 Posted January 19, 2018 I think that's fairly obvious given the content in the article and the URL slug. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted January 19, 2018 Share #905 Posted January 19, 2018 6 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said: What would an appropriate terminal look like? I know the 8th Ave one isn't good enough, but I want to know how a high-throughput terminal might look like, and why the isn't building one for the ? In addition to what others said - they could add a couple of more trains per hour with the current terminal situation right now, the limiting factor is power supply. Others, including Ben Kabak from Second Avenue Sagas, suggested that the MTA take advantage of the opportunity to start building tail tracks west of 8th ave. The MTA responded, and basically said the amount of extra capacity tail tracks would add wouldn't be necessary because they don't project such extra capacity would be needed in the near future. Agree or disagree, that's why they're not doing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 19, 2018 Share #906 Posted January 19, 2018 Mta isn't gonna take chances with other builders, thank bombardier for that. Especially with the R179's being delayed and the issues that it currently has. Im not surprised that kawasaki won the order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted January 19, 2018 Share #907 Posted January 19, 2018 This really stood out to me Quote As a result, one of the most striking changes will be invisible to commuters: R211 cars will be equipped with monitoring computers that will relay information in real-time about its performance — a health check of sorts — so that an ailing train can be diagnosed even before it has been hauled back to the repair shop. To further tackle the issue, the contract stipulates that the Kawasaki cars adhere to specific reliability requirements, as a warranty. The level of performance that the cars’ critical systems — such as doors and brakes, some of the largest contributors to delays — are required to demonstrate, based in part in how many miles they travel before breaking down, is more than double that of past contracts, according to the agency. If they fail to meet those levels, Kawasaki itself must shoulder the cost of any repairs, instead of the authority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 20, 2018 Share #908 Posted January 20, 2018 ^^^^ That will cause so much entertainment within the railfan community "The health monitor on every R211 I ride says they have dead motors, they are junk!!!!!" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 20, 2018 Share #909 Posted January 20, 2018 17 hours ago, LTA1992 said: Isolated services like the are an exception. On most lines, services would need to share that new space with 2 to 3 others. So in reality, what LGA said isn't wrong. And even so, we're not going to start seeing the true benefits until the Manhattan trunk lines start getting upgraded. And in the case of the QBL, both 6th Avenue and 8th Avenue (which we know is next), would need to be equipped before the true benefits can be seen. Branching is not some new foreign concept. The main issue, really, is reverse branching, which is pretty bad on the B Division. That being said, you could theoretically eliminate a lot of that; the going via 63rd with cross-platform transfer to the obviates the need for a Broadway local on QBL, and you could untangle DeKalb pretty easily. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted January 20, 2018 Share #910 Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, RailRunRob said: Don't think CRRC might have a shot beyond the R211? Especially after the results with CTA and MBTA. Perhaps. But let them prove themselves first. This isn't the time for bringing new players to the table. As it is, as this order wraps up, we'll be looking at the replacements for the R62/As and R68/As. There will be plenty of work to go around, and by that point perhaps Bombardier will get out of the rut they're in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted January 20, 2018 Share #911 Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bosco said: Perhaps. But let them prove themselves first. This isn't the time for bringing new players to the table. As it is, as this order wraps up, we'll be looking at the replacements for the R62/As and R68/As. There will be plenty of work to go around, and by that point perhaps Bombardier will get out of the rut they're in. Yep I don't disagree why I said "Especially after the results with CTA and MBTA" . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 20, 2018 Share #912 Posted January 20, 2018 http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180122_1400_CPOC.pdf http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180122_1030_Transit.pdf 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted January 20, 2018 Share #913 Posted January 20, 2018 The Staff Summary implies that Alstom/Siemens did not bid at all on the R211, even if with Kawasaki (Alskaw or Siekaw). Can someone confirm/deny/explain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 20, 2018 Share #914 Posted January 20, 2018 If the staff summary says they didn't bid, then they didn't bid. The most likely explanation would be that with the ongoing merger, the companies deemed it unwise to take on such a large order with such a stringent delivery schedule. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 21, 2018 Share #915 Posted January 21, 2018 That doesn't mean Siemens-Alstom won't be a subsystem contractor. I'm interested to see who Kawasaki contracts the propulsion system out to. Maybe it'll be a split fleet again; maybe we'll see an entirely new propulsion supplier (Mitsubishi, Toshiba), and maybe as some have been saying, we'll see permanent magnet synchronous motors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted January 21, 2018 Share #916 Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Fan Railer said: That doesn't mean Siemens-Alstom won't be a subsystem contractor. I'm interested to see who Kawasaki contracts the propulsion system out to. Maybe it'll be a split fleet again; maybe we'll see an entirely new propulsion supplier (Mitsubishi, Toshiba), and maybe as some have been saying, we'll see permanent magnet synchronous motors. I'm hoping for the Siemens Propulsion again, it'd be an interesting sight to see 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted January 21, 2018 Share #917 Posted January 21, 2018 23 hours ago, Fan Railer said: http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180122_1400_CPOC.pdf http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180122_1030_Transit.pdf (From the first doc) I think we are doing to get an extra set of open gangway prototype unless that was just a typo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 21, 2018 Share #918 Posted January 21, 2018 Yes, there will be an extra 10 open gangway prototypes. Read the second doc. But there is a typo in that "production trains" for the 211A order should be 430 cars and not 440 cars (since you have to subtract 10 cars for the initial train). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 21, 2018 Share #919 Posted January 21, 2018 This order is to replace all the remaining R32’s R42’s and R46’s. But 1600 cars sounds like a surplus... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 22, 2018 Share #920 Posted January 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, VIP said: This order is to replace all the remaining R32’s R42’s and R46’s. But 1600 cars sounds like a surplus... Fleet expansion much? We're facing a B div car shortage... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted January 22, 2018 Share #921 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) It's possible that the maximum number of R211's we could potentially have is 2,130. If that's the case, we could possibly retire a few R68's early but let's not forget, some of them are going to Staten Island Edited January 22, 2018 by LGA Link N train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted January 22, 2018 Share #922 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Doing some math I realized. If we have 575 R211's we could replace ALL R46's We'll have another 230 to replace the R32's And another 50 to replace the R42's So we need AT LEAST 850 R211's to replace the older fleets. Including the SIR order fleet, we should expect at least 925 R211's to replace the aging fleet. Then (knowing Kawasaki) we should expect another 500-1000 or so. Let's see what'll happen Edited January 22, 2018 by LGA Link N train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 22, 2018 Share #923 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said: Only 220 R32s are in service. 10 of them are used for work service at 207 and 36-38 Sts. I only think about 160 of them will remain for the shutdown, while the rest get replaced by the 211's. 222 in passenger service. 10 in work service. 232 cars total. Although originally 240 as there was another 8 stored at Fresh Pond Yard/East New York Yard in 2011 and 2012, but it's gone now unfortunately. Would have been better if they had kept it since the B Division was short on cars at the time. @Coney Island Av, I know. But it's not like I'm yelling at you, am I lol. We're behind a computer screen. Edited January 22, 2018 by Jemorie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 22, 2018 Share #924 Posted January 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said: Doing some math I realized. If we have 575 R211's we could replace ALL R46's We'll have another 230 to replace the R32's And another 50 to replace the R42's So we need AT LEAST 850 R211's to replace the older fleets. Including the SIR order fleet, we should expect at least 925 R211's to replace the aging fleet. Then (knowing Kawasaki) we should expect another 500-1000 or so. Let's see what'll happen Your math is incorrect. It takes 940 cars to replace the R46 fleet. Also remember- Some portion of the R32/42 will end up being replaced by the R179. While they may not be retired immediately, at least some of them will not be needed after the Canarsie Tubes reopen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted January 22, 2018 Share #925 Posted January 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said: It's possible that the maximum number of R211's we could potentially have is 2,130. If that's the case, we could possibly retire a few R68's early but let's not forget, some of them are going to Staten Island Staten Island won't take up much of the R211 fleet (if those numbers turn out to be even true), only 60-80 cars are needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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