rbrome Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1151 Posted February 10, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 9:30 AM, T to Dyre Avenue said: Looking at the picture of the R211 side panel has me thinking those are going to be some of the narrowest side windows on a post-WW2 subway car fleet we’ll see. They have to be due to the wide entry doors. This really bugs me. The windows keep getting smaller. Why? There's enough above-ground trackage that customers certainly would appreciate a little light and a view. The MTA should care. Wy can't we have modern plug-style doors that allow double the windows, instead of huge, opaque door pockets? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1152 Posted February 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, VIP said: I think the should get R160’s instead, those who ride the do not deserve luxury, yet. Leave the R211 in wealthy neighborhoods. and perhaps? Did you not read the beginning of my post? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfan 007 Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1153 Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: Did you not read the beginning of my post? I think he was being highly sarcastic. Only person who would say something like that and mean it is Flushing Express. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1154 Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Railfan 007 said: Only person who would say something like that and mean it is Flushing Express. Let's not leave out @Vtrain or @qjtransitmaster (for the oldsters)... Edited February 10, 2019 by NoHacksJustKhaks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfan 007 Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1155 Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: *DISCLAIMER* THIS IS ALL JUST SPECULATION!! If all R211’s (from Option 1 only) arrive plus the 2 additional Open Gangway Trains, they should be prioritized on the and first since the has very high ridership and the is the Short version of the . For a period of time, they might share R32’s, R46’s, R179’s, R211’s, (and maybe R42’s). Keep in mind that this is just speculation. So plenty of R160’s should be on the in the near future. 40 minutes ago, VIP said: I think the should get R160’s instead, those who ride the do not deserve luxury, yet. Leave the R211 in wealthy neighborhoods. and perhaps? I highly doubt the / will get these first. If the swap to make the / fully NTT with R160s doesn't happen by 2020, then they will be getting R211s from the base contract. The excess sets from the base contract can then head to the / until the option orders come in to fully replace the R46s on the /. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1156 Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Railfan 007 said: If the swap to make the / fully NTT with R160s doesn't happen by 2020, then they will be getting R211s from the base contract. My reasoning exactly. And something tells me those QBL workers might not be in time for proposed CBTC... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 10, 2019 Share #1157 Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, rbrome said: Why can't we have modern plug-style doors that allow double the windows, instead of huge, opaque door pockets? Yes! Something like the S stock doors please (a side effect of plug doors is more room in the doorway, which is also well needed) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share #1158 Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, rbrome said: This really bugs me. The windows keep getting smaller. Why? There's enough above-ground trackage that customers certainly would appreciate a little light and a view. The MTA should care. Wy can't we have modern plug-style doors that allow double the windows, instead of huge, opaque door pockets? Plug-type doors would only work here if the platforms were modified. It’s not worth the cost. On 2/9/2019 at 6:54 PM, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: *DISCLAIMER* THIS IS ALL JUST SPECULATION!! If all R211’s (from Option 1 only) arrive plus the 2 additional Open Gangway Trains, they should be prioritized on the and first since the has very high ridership and the is the Short version of the . For a period of time, they might share R32’s, R46’s, R179’s, R211’s, (and maybe R42’s). Keep in mind that this is just speculation. So plenty of R160’s should be on the in the near future. R211 prelim assignments are and to start off. Everything else is pending. and are said to be in the planning as well. Logistics and final assignments could change based on the amount of options that are T models. and however are the originally planned lines, and this hasn’t changed yet. Only major changes are the accelerated delivery schedule that puts the first 10-car train here next summer, and now puts SIR last for delivery. Edited February 11, 2019 by East New York 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted February 11, 2019 Share #1159 Posted February 11, 2019 22 hours ago, East New York said: Plug-type doors would only work here if the platforms were modified. Not if you design it correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 11, 2019 Share #1160 Posted February 11, 2019 Did the London Underground have to make any modifications for the plug doors on the S stock? Does anyone know? I don't know if they made the S stock slightly narrower to compensate but it doesn't look like the plug doors stick that far outward in this video. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share #1161 Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, rbrome said: Not if you design it correctly. True. I just don’t see them deviating away from what we have now unless they modified platforms. MTA is notorious for NOT liking plug-type doors of any kind on buses, subways or trains for a few reason. One is ease of maintenance, and self redundancy if the door fails. The particular side that fails will just remain closed. It’s parts are also commons with all NTT’s including the R211 and R262’s when it comes to the mechanics, thus saving on maintenance costs and parts stock drastically. The TA’s main concern is moving more passengers faster. The windows viewing range isn’t enough of a priority to invest in a whole new door design at this time, that would still have to be researched, developed, and tested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 12, 2019 Share #1162 Posted February 12, 2019 At least they’re giving (some) serious consideration to open gangway cars, a feature used successfully around the world. I really hope it will be a substantial portion of the R211 fleet (not just the 20 experimental cars currently planned for). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 12, 2019 Share #1163 Posted February 12, 2019 R211s going to the is an idea begat from renderings and the idea that they will opt for replacement in place of R46s. That may be what pans out, but I wouldn't call it a 'plan.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted February 12, 2019 Share #1164 Posted February 12, 2019 9 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: I really hope it will be a substantial portion of the R211 fleet (not just the 20 experimental cars currently planned for). They seem to be assuming that the two test trains will be successful, and that the option order with a significant number of open gangway trains will be purchased. Additionally, the R262 slides mentioned incorporating features of the R211s into their design, with open gangways being a bullet point on that list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 12, 2019 Share #1165 Posted February 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Chris Alleyne said: No dude, once the R211s arrive, the R32s and R42s will be retired almost immediately with the R46s going shortly soon afterwards. A. I said it was speculation B. I said “for a period of time”. Meaning that for a short time, we might see 5-6 car classes on the and . Trains aren’t delivered and enter service all at once you know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted February 13, 2019 Share #1166 Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 2:46 PM, Around the Horn said: Did the London Underground have to make any modifications for the plug doors on the S stock? Does anyone know? I don't know if they made the S stock slightly narrower to compensate but it doesn't look like the plug doors stick that far outward in this video WRT maintenance concerns specified in this thread, I don't know if the S stock is handled like this specifically, but generally rolling stock contracts in the UK and EU also contain maintenance, in addition to building the fleet. On 2/9/2019 at 6:17 PM, rbrome said: This really bugs me. The windows keep getting smaller. Why? There's enough above-ground trackage that customers certainly would appreciate a little light and a view. The MTA should care. Wy can't we have modern plug-style doors that allow double the windows, instead of huge, opaque door pockets? IMO the biggest beneficiaries of plug doors would be buses. At least on trains the doors don't do anything daft like opening inwards and reducing standing room in the vehicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 25, 2019 Share #1167 Posted February 25, 2019 Plochoci (or however you spell his name) just said the R211 is getting an Alstom propulsion system... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfan 007 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1168 Posted February 26, 2019 Plochochi is the name (paused the video where there is no CC) and he says around the 58:40 mark that the R211s will have Alstom propulsion, for people who want a source to quote: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1169 Posted February 26, 2019 http://web.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/247076sol.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1170 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Railfan 007 said: Plochochi is the name (paused the video where there is no CC) and he says around the 58:40 mark that the R211s will have Alstom propulsion, for people who want a source to quote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! Please not like the R160s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfan 007 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1171 Posted February 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, R179 8258 said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! Please not like the R160s The R160s propulsion is nearly 20 years old lol. It could be the same propulsion for parts commonality, but with the R179s having a different propulsion than the R142A/143/188, even though both trains have Bombardier propulsion, I doubt the R211s will have the same propulsion package as the R160s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1172 Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Railfan 007 said: The R160s propulsion is nearly 20 years old lol. It could be the same propulsion for parts commonality, but with the R179s having a different propulsion than the R142A/143/188, even though both trains have Bombardier propulsion, I doubt the R211s will have the same propulsion package as the R160s. These editors ears will tell you that there are definitely similarities between the R143 and R179 inverters. Instead of rolling in the sound, the R179s inverters have harder transitions like ONIX. But the overall progression is the same while the pitch is higher. So I expect something similar when the R211 rolls around. Something different, but also the same in many aspects. The question is, by how much. Edited February 26, 2019 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1173 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, LTA1992 said: So I expect something similar when the R211 rolls around. Something different, but also the same in many aspects. The question is, by how much. The thing is the Bombardier trains are all using MITRAC, which is one of their widespread products. ONIX, however, doesn't seem to be produced by Alstom anymore, so it'll be interesting to see how a decade and a half makes a difference in terms of propulsion style. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1174 Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Enjineer said: The thing is the Bombardier trains are all using MITRAC, which is one of their widespread products. ONIX, however, doesn't seem to be produced by Alstom anymore, so it'll be interesting to see how a decade and a half makes a difference in terms of propulsion style. It was for comparisons sake since you can't really hear what I'm describing. When I talk bout hard/flat sounds, ONIX and the new MITRAC have that. Siemens and the older Adtranz/MITRAC inverters have rolling sounds. Edited February 26, 2019 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted February 26, 2019 Share #1175 Posted February 26, 2019 4 hours ago, LTA1992 said: Siemens and the older Adtranz/MITRAC inverters have rolling sounds. I know what you mean. ONIX and the R179's MITRAC have a harsher tone, while the older MITRAC 1580c inverters have a more soft tone. All I was saying is Alstom isn't exclusively harder sounds, for example this is Alstom propulsion, and even other ONIX systems in this video aren't like the R142s and R160s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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