Union Tpke Posted January 18, 2017 Share #376 Posted January 18, 2017 Are you saying that the final option order is contingent on the progress of the Second Avenue Subway? Also, how many cars would you say would be for fleet expansion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share #377 Posted January 18, 2017 The option order will happen as long as all is well with the base order. The extension likely won't be ready until the second option, but it's way ok early to tell at this time as we all know anything could happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted January 19, 2017 Share #378 Posted January 19, 2017 Isn't 6th Avenue supposed to be getting CBTC soon too? Right now it's Queens Blvd, haven't heard about anything on 6th ave yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share #379 Posted January 19, 2017 Right now it's Queens Blvd, haven't heard about anything on 6th ave yet. 6th Av actually is in the plans as well as 8th Ave. That includes Queens Blvd which will include both the 6th and 8th Av lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted January 19, 2017 Share #380 Posted January 19, 2017 6th Av actually is in the plans as well as 8th Ave. That includes Queens Blvd which will include both the 6th and 8th Av lines. Will it all be together or in phases? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 19, 2017 Share #381 Posted January 19, 2017 6th Av actually is in the plans as well as 8th Ave. That includes Queens Blvd which will include both the 6th and 8th Av lines. is it correct that there are no plans for CBTC east of Kew Gardens? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 19, 2017 Share #382 Posted January 19, 2017 Why wouldn't there be? It may not be in the first phase or 2 of QBL CBTC installation, but it'll happen eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 19, 2017 Share #383 Posted January 19, 2017 What’s the extent of the CBTC installation? If Kew Gardens is the northern limit of the system, where is the southern limit? Washington Square? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 19, 2017 Share #384 Posted January 19, 2017 For this phase, South of 50th on D3/4, North of 47/50 on B1/2, Not sure about T1/2, although I rather expect it is at the split south of 36th street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #385 Posted January 19, 2017 For this phase, South of 50th on D3/4, North of 47/50 on B1/2, Not sure about T1/2, although I rather expect it is at the split south of 36th street. Interesting. How will the transition from CBTC to standard block signaling work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay85 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #386 Posted January 19, 2017 Yes, alongside and a bit after 8th Ave. And the R179 assignment is confirmed to me as of yesterday by RTO. Anything outside those lines, train may pop up here and there. As for 211, and have been confirmed as well. Everything else to be announced, and as always subject to change. The R211 is in the procurement stage and as I stated we should have more updates in the coming weeks. I can see the R211's popping up on occasionally like the R160s do now on the . Full steam ahead for the R211 program. Award still expected early this year. Trains will come WiFi ready with USB ports as seen on the newest buses. , , , , and SIR are the pending candidates for first deliveries. The open-gangway prototype is rumored to be going to the first. That bit of information has not been confirmed at this time and is only speculation and educated guesses. We should have an update on the program in full in the coming weeks. I can see Kawasaki getting the R211 contract before Alstom or any other manufacturers do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #387 Posted January 20, 2017 The open gangway cars will go to jamaica since those lines have the highest ridership, but i can see them testing them on the . If Jamaica gets these they will put them mainly on the and with some on the while the gets the other half. Btw the won't exsist for a very long time unless it goes down another trunk line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beelinefan Posted January 20, 2017 Share #388 Posted January 20, 2017 With R211's going to jamaica i would guess that the r160's from jamaica would be sent elsewhere to finally retire the r32s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #389 Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Wait so if all options are excercised and all 1545 trains are made that's enough to retire the R32, R46 and R68\R68A trains I think Edited January 20, 2017 by 2Line1291 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 20, 2017 Share #390 Posted January 20, 2017 With R211's going to jamaica i would guess that the r160's from jamaica would be sent elsewhere to finally retire the r32s Probably not. There will be enough R211s for the and only at first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboy515 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #391 Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Wait so if all options are excercised and all 1545 trains are made that's enough to retire the R32, R46 and R68\R68A trains I thinkThe R68/A's won't be retired yet... Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Edited January 20, 2017 by Tonyboy515 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted January 20, 2017 Share #392 Posted January 20, 2017 Wait so if all options are excercised and all 1545 trains are made that's enough to retire the R32, R46 and R68\R68A trains I thinkJust the R32 and R46. The rest are for fleet expansion. The 68/a won't be retired until 2027-29.... Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 21, 2017 Share #393 Posted January 21, 2017 That'll be like the R278s or something lmao 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #394 Posted January 21, 2017 Yeah, they should really look into the problem of contract number inflation- I think the R68s were originally supposed to be R55s. And logically speaking, I don't even see why we should be past 100 for the subway contract numbers, let alone 200- what happens when they get to 999? Shouldn't it be like R80 or something as opposed to R211? But I digress... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 21, 2017 Share #395 Posted January 21, 2017 The numbers actually have two or three more digits before the "1", so by the time they run out of three digit numbers, they would have to start a new series somehow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #396 Posted January 21, 2017 This is a list of the R-Type contracts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_R-type_contracts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 21, 2017 Share #397 Posted January 21, 2017 The open gangway cars will go to jamaica since those lines have the highest ridership, but i can see them testing them on the . If Jamaica gets these they will put them mainly on the and with some on the while the gets the other half. Btw the won't exsist for a very long time unless it goes down another trunk line. First part makes complete sense. Queens Blvd would be the most likely candidate here. Regarding the second part, any plans that include the or a fully realized Second Avenue line sometime in the next decade and not by the end of the century given the glacial pace of subway construction are wishful thinking at best. With R211's going to jamaica i would guess that the r160's from jamaica would be sent elsewhere to finally retire the r32s Yep. The first cars to be retired as the 211s arrive would be the aging 32s. Wait so if all options are excercised and all 1545 trains are made that's enough to retire the R32, R46 and R68\R68A trains I think Nope. By the end of the delivery of the 211s, the 68s will be the oldest fleet on the B-Division. There are presently no plans to do anything with the 68s or their Kawasaki-built counterparts at the moment as they are in overall good shape. Yeah, they should really look into the problem of contract number inflation- I think the R68s were originally supposed to be R55s. And logically speaking, I don't even see why we should be past 100 for the subway contract numbers, let alone 200- what happens when they get to 999? Shouldn't it be like R80 or something as opposed to R211? But I digress... The subway car class numbers keep jumping up because, as the list above this post illustrate, the R-numbers also include work cars and orders that were cancelled for various reasons. In the event we jump past R999, which likely won't happen for quite some time, we'll just move on to R1000 or something of that nature. There's really no issue here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 22, 2017 Share #398 Posted January 22, 2017 The numbers actually have two or three more digits before the "1", so by the time they run out of three digit numbers, they would have to start a new series somehow. yup... the full contract numbers are R34211, R34179, R34188, R34160, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted January 23, 2017 Share #399 Posted January 23, 2017 http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/170123_1345_CPOC.pdf (p.37) 740 of R211 cost $3.2 billion ...... What make it so $$$ compare to R179 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 23, 2017 Share #400 Posted January 23, 2017 http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/170123_1345_CPOC.pdf (p.37) 740 of R211 cost $3.2 billion ...... What make it so $$$ compare to R179 The 179 reuses a lot of specifications from previous orders. That saves money. The R211 is a completely new design. Also, inflation, more cars, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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