R211 Discussion Thread

[Bosco 327]

10 hours ago, Enjineer said:

I know what you mean. ONIX and the R179's MITRAC have a harsher tone, while the older MITRAC 1580c inverters have a more soft tone. All I was saying is Alstom isn't exclusively harder sounds, for example this is Alstom propulsion, and even other ONIX systems in this video aren't like the R142s and R160

I definitely wouldn't mind having one of these in New York.  In addition to the rolling sound, they are also quieter than what we have here.  The only one that I could find in Europe that sounds similar is the Metropolis 98B (which isn't in that video).

Even if they use ONIX, I can't imagine it sounding like the R160.  Besides the fact that the R142/R160 design is 20 years old, I'm sure the newer systems are quieter, lighter, and more energy efficient, all of which matter to the MTA as much as parts commonality if not more.  Speaking of commonality: 

On 2/25/2019 at 9:20 PM, Railfan 007 said:

The R160s propulsion is nearly 20 years old lol. It could be the same propulsion for parts commonality, but with the R179s having a different propulsion than the R142A/143/188, even though both trains have Bombardier propulsion, I doubt the R211s will have the same propulsion package as the R160s.

The only reason they had Bombardier bring back the 1508C for the R188 was because the other option would've been to replace the propulsion on all converted R142As.  That was a special case.  Also, as I mentioned, the newer systems are much lighter and smaller which are both big benefits for NYCT.  The boxes for the 1508C are HUGE.

[Enjineer 436]

45 minutes ago, Bosco said:

The boxes for the 1508C are HUGE.

Can't say they don't sound nice, though!

[GojiMet86 4,534]

 

From the FB Group "Transit Photos and Vidoes" via Mr. Edwards. Originally from Kawasaki:

Looks like they'll occupy the 4000s.

 

[Union Tpke 3,595]

9 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

 

From the FB Group "Transit Photos and Vidoes" via Mr. Edwards. Originally from Kawasaki:

Looks like they'll occupy the 4000s.

WOW! Thanks. I presume that this was the only image that was up. Is this the first set?

[Lawrence St 1,013]

22 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

 

From the FB Group "Transit Photos and Vidoes" via Mr. Edwards. Originally from Kawasaki:

Looks like they'll occupy the 4000s.

 

Is it me or does that passenger window look shrunk in width?

[Around the Horn 5,535]

4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Is it me or does that passenger window look shrunk in width?

It is. The doors are now 58 inches wide like R142/As

[Around the Horn 5,535]

28 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

 

From the FB Group "Transit Photos and Vidoes" via Mr. Edwards. Originally from Kawasaki:

Looks like they'll occupy the 4000s.

 

Like I suspected, they'll probably use the 4000s and then go back to 3350-3999 when the R32s have been retired.

[Enjineer 436]

1 hour ago, GojiMet86 said:

I know it's Cuomo colors, but I have to say that paint scheme really looks sharp. It's amazing how even a little paint in the front can add so much character to the car

[Union Tpke 3,595]

It seems like all the poles in the car are yellow.

[LTA1992 1,324]

55 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

It seems like all the poles in the car are yellow.

But we knew that already. 

[Bosco 327]

8 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

WOW! Thanks. I presume that this was the only image that was up. Is this the first set?

This is actually the non-operational mockup, similar to the very first photos of the R179s that were leaked in 2014.  So this particular car won't see service, it's just used to confirm maintainability, build quality, spec compliance, etc.  Also, this is the first of three similar but functionally different mockups (this one is for the R211A, and there will be one for the S and T, since there are functional differences between the three classes).

Mock-up review for the R211A is underway and continuing through next week.  After that comes climate room testing in May.  So far so good!

[T to Dyre Avenue 1,154]

Good to know. Thank you for keeping us informed on the progress. I requested to join the FB group, not knowing if there are more pictures there or not (it’s a closed group, so you have to join if you want to see more).

[rbrome 232]

On 4/10/2019 at 2:32 PM, Enjineer said:

I know it's Cuomo colors, but I have to say that paint scheme really looks sharp. It's amazing how even a little paint in the front can add so much character to the car

Personally, I hate it. I think it looks visually... messy. One navy or yellow stripe could look nice, but both is too much. It looks tacky to me. Stainless steel looks sleeker to my eye.

It's even worse on the inside. All the blue and bright yellow on the inside of the public R211 mock-up gave me a headache. I'd much prefer white and stainless; it looks far cleaner, brighter, and more relaxing. 

Also, stainless doesn't need to be repainted every few years. I suspect these stripes are going to look like garbage 10 years in. MTA will probably realize that paint is more trouble than its's worth and go back to stainless, like SEPTA did recently with its BSL (orange line subway) cars. 

[T to Dyre Avenue 1,154]

It might not necessarily be paint. It could just be a wrap, like on the “Cuomo R160s.” Although that goes too far by having the entire top halves of the B-cars wrapped in blue. Maybe just have a blue belt line stripe, like the R42s, R44s and R46s used to.

As for the interiors, white is too bright (when new). And it doesn’t stay clean for long, even when you clean it regularly. I prefer some color to the interior, maybe with a light gray as the base. TTC’s gray (or cream) walls and red seats in the T1 and Toronto Rocket cars are a good example of that.

As for SEPTA, I think the BSL cars looked better with the orange around the windows. 

Edited April 11, 2019 by T to Dyre Avenue

[Enjineer 436]

17 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

White is too bright (when new). And it doesn’t stay clean for long, even when you clean it regularly.

I think a perfect example of paint on stainless steel is the M8s on Metro-North. The red stripe along the carbody with the black ends looks very sleek, IMO

[Around the Horn 5,535]

2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

As for the interiors, white is too bright (when new). And it doesn’t stay clean for long, even when you clean it regularly. I prefer some color to the interior, maybe with a light gray as the base. TTC’s gray (or cream) walls and red seats in the T1 and Toronto Rocket cars are a good example of that.

I agree and this is one of my pet peeves with the R142s. I really like the light blue specs on the R142As, it's small but it makes such a difference.

[Q44 SBS 1]

Look what I found on YouTube.

 

[Around the Horn 5,535]

That's a reupload of a video from December. The car is much closer to completion now.

[Harlem Crosstown 12]

On 4/10/2019 at 1:17 PM, GojiMet86 said:

 

From the FB Group "Transit Photos and Vidoes" via Mr. Edwards. Originally from Kawasaki:

Looks like they'll occupy the 4000s.

 

Another R160 look-alike

[Around the Horn 5,535]

1 hour ago, Harlem Crosstown said:

Another R160 look-alike

Just wait until you see the front bonnet and the destination signs 

It's anything but a R160 look-alike 

[LTA1992 1,324]

On 4/15/2019 at 6:12 PM, Harlem Crosstown said:

Another R160 look-alike

Y'all just forgot about the SMEEs huh? Even the cars that looked different were still, aside from appearance, nearly identical to what was already around.

This is nothing different. Appearance and a few new amenities are different, but the overally car is still mostly the same.

Evolutionary, not revolutionary.

Edited April 16, 2019 by LTA1992

[happy283 76]

other than replacing the R46s on the  are there other lines slated to get the R211s?

[Bay Ridge Express 186]

7 minutes ago, happy283 said:

other than replacing the R46s on the  are there other lines slated to get the R211s?

 definitely... maybe  and  

[happy283 76]

1 minute ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

 definitely... maybe  and  

Never expected Coney Island to get these considering they don't have any R46s.

[R68OnBroadway 673]

I'd expect the  to split R211s and R179s while the  gets 8 car 179s, the  gets maybe some R211s, and the  gets 5 car R160s. If it were up to me I would put R179s and R160s on the  so the R211s could go to the  .

Edited April 18, 2019 by R68OnBroadway