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8 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Open cars past 7936: 7937-8100. It does not have to end at 7959. That was the order for the R28 (7860-7959) that left 7960-7999 open. 8000-8009 was mixture of prototype trains that was never ordered for the BMT and later, the R110A’s 8001-8010. 8010-8019 was R11/34 & 8020-8100 was originally R27s of the 1960s that went up to 8249. 8101 to aforementioned is now part of the R143 numbering. 7937-8100 is now open

my secondary theory would that the 140 cars (7961-8100) for the options. sorry I meant to say end at 7960 for the shuttle order.

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I guess 5-digit numbers starting at 10001 was too hard for the MTA. That would have satisfied my OCD.

But noooo, we have to go with these mixes, and I bet you the order will wind up having 4 and 5 car consist fleet numbers arranged weirdly.

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Base order cars could be

3941-4380.

3941-5000 is open (R42's would be gone by then) 

5201-5480 is also open as well.

 

Numbering based by base/option order could go by this:

Base order R211A: 3941-4380 (440 cars)

Option order 1: 4381-5000, 5201-5220 (640 cars)

Option Order 2: 5221-5657 or 3348-3785 (437 cars)

Open gangway cars R211T's could also be 3328-3347

 

I don't know if the R211S numbering would still be 3 digit or 4 digit.

 

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3 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Base order cars could be

3941-4380.

3941-5000 is open (R42's would be gone by then) 

5201-5480 is also open as well.

 

Numbering based by base/option order could go by this:

Base order R211A: 3941-4380 (440 cars)

Option order 1: 4381-5000, 5201-5220 (640 cars)

Option Order 2: 5221-5657 or 3348-3785 (437 cars)

Open gangway cars R211T's could also be 3328-3347

 

I don't know if the R211S numbering would still be 3 digit or 4 digit.

 

If you and I are right, I would go 3 digit (502-577)

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Front looks very good, but I'm not pleased at all with the R211A, the R211T is officially my next generation subway car. Not this knock off version. 

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So how would we refer to these cars? “R211” or R211A’s ?? And if the test trains “pass” Testing and it’s approved for open gangways do we refer to those as “R211T’s” or “R211”???

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1 hour ago, VIP said:

So how would we refer to these cars? “R211” or R211A’s ?? And if the test trains “pass” Testing and it’s approved for open gangways do we refer to those as “R211T’s” or “R211”???

R211 is an umbrella term for all cars built under this contract. The exact names depend on the design and purpose.

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17 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

I guess 5-digit numbers starting at 10001 was too hard for the MTA. That would have satisfied my OCD.

But noooo, we have to go with these mixes, and I bet you the order will wind up having 4 and 5 car consist fleet numbers arranged weirdly.

Or we could go back to three digit numbers like the original Arnines, and the R44s and R46s as delivered.

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On 1/17/2020 at 2:07 PM, Around the Horn said:

From renderings, to the real thing! Looks fantastic!

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Awesome!! The front part looks a little bit like the new railcars on the LIRR.

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www.1010wins.com has the exclusive photos from the Kawasaki plant on the makings of the R211Ts. 

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4 hours ago, Yankees4life said:

Direct link https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/mta-reveals-first-look-at-new-r211-subway-cars

 

They also revealed that Kawasaki has won the contract to make these cars...

 

Nice

According to the article, 3 10 car test trains are being built.

Also, the MTA confirmed in a board meeting today that the lines that will most likely get the r211's will be the A, C, G, N, W and maybe E. It's due to compatibility with 8th Avenue, Crosstown and Astoria CBTC. BTW I didn't know that the Astoria line is going to be CBTC within the next five years. That's a surprise.

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3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

According to the article, 3 10 car test trains are being built.

Also, the MTA confirmed in a board meeting today that the lines that will most likely get the r211's will be the A, C, G, N, W and maybe E. It's due to compatibility with 8th Avenue, Crosstown and Astoria CBTC. BTW I didn't know that the Astoria line is going to be CBTC within the next five years. That's a surprise.

Shouldn’t Queens Blvd get them first? The (A) and the (C) I could see getting them to replace the R46. I question the (G)(N)(W) because they’re out of the CI yd. 

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4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

I question the (G)(N)(W) because they’re out of the CI yd. 

By the time the R211 deliveries start there will be way more R46 cars at CIY (most of their R160s are supposed to be going to Jamaica.)

8 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

According to the article, 3 10 car test trains are being built.

10 open gangway, 10 NYCT standard cars, and 10 SI.png cars?

Or maybe one of the trains is a dummy model like this R142A?

 

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7 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Shouldn’t Queens Blvd get them first? The (A) and the (C) I could see getting them to replace the R46. I question the (G)(N)(W) because they’re out of the CI yd. 

If QBL gets r211, it will be for the E, since the MTA confirmed in yesterday 's board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will be compatible with r179's and r211's. The MTA also confirmed that the r211's will be compatible with Crosstown and Astoria CBTC.

Also, I forgot to the mention the Q getting r211's (option orders).

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R211s will probably go to the (A)(C) to replace older cars while the (E)(F)(R) could get them to help with QBL crowds. It would be better to just give those R160s back to CI after the R211s start coming in.

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4 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

If QBL gets r211, it will be for the E, since the MTA confirmed in yesterday 's board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will be compatible with r179's and r211's. The MTA also confirmed that the r211's will be compatible with Crosstown and Astoria CBTC.

Also, I forgot to the mention the Q getting r211's (option orders).

Which will be the first line to get articulated trains?

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4 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

R211s will probably go to the (A)(C) to replace older cars while the (E)(F)(R) could get them to help with QBL crowds. It would be better to just give those R160s back to CI after the R211s start coming in.

With more reason, the E has the biggest chance of getting the r211's out of all QBL lines. It's one of the most crowded lines and it goes to 8th Avenue. The MTA did not mention anything about the r160's being compatible with 8th Avenue CBTC, so it is unclear whether or not the r160's can stay on the E once CBTC on 8th Avenue is complete.

1 hour ago, FLX9304 said:

Which will be the first line to get articulated trains?

Probably the A or E. It makes more sense to put the articulated trains on the most crowded lines.

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I wonder why the production trains will come full YEAR after the pilot train is delivered.. So if the pilot train wraps up testing in a few months only one 211 set would be running in service for some time.

 

 

It's funny the R143 was the first of it's kind and it only took about 2 months of non revenue testing before it entered service... While both the 160 and 179 took a year to complete non revenue testing. 

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15 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

I wonder why the production trains will come full YEAR after the pilot train is delivered.. So if the pilot train wraps up testing in a few months only one 211 set would be running in service for some time.

 

 

It's funny the R143 was the first of it's kind and it only took about 2 months of non revenue testing before it entered service... While both the 160 and 179 took a year to complete non revenue testing. 

Depends on who builds them. The R160A was build by Alstom and R179s was by Bombardier (you already know the story). The R160B-1 was built by Kawasaki and entered service in 2006. They did had 8713-8722 running on the (A) for 30, then put on the (N) for both passenger and crew training. At the same time, 8723-8732 was being delivered to 207, they said, we’re keeping them for the Broadway line. Every month, 30 cars was coming in. While the first set was on the (N) , R160B-2 8843-8852 was delivered but had a different sound— Siemens traction. By 2008, the entire 260 car order R160B-2 (8843-9102) was completed! Kawasaki’s version of the R160B’s was already by the time the 2010s decade began.  Their list of B division cars: 

R143 8101-8312 

R160B-1 8713-8842, 9103-9232, 9803-9942

R160B-2 8843-9102

Kawasaki is the exclusive builder to the R211 class. 
it shouldn’t take long for 30 cars (1 train of standards, 1 train of articulated and 1 for SI) to pass the test, and here they come in bunches.

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24 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

I wonder why the production trains will come full YEAR after the pilot train is delivered.. So if the pilot train wraps up testing in a few months only one 211 set would be running in service for some time.

It usually takes about a year for non revenue tests and then it seems they're budgeting two months for the 30 day revenue test in case of glitches before accepting production cars.

8 hours ago, paulrivera said:

By the time the R211 deliveries start there will be way more R46 cars at CIY (most of their R160s are supposed to be going to Jamaica.)

10 open gangway, 10 NYCT standard cars, and 10 SI.png cars?

I would assume the 10 car R211A prototype and both R211Ts. The R211S prototype isn't due for almost another two years (December 2021)

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3 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

It usually takes about a year for non revenue tests and then it seems they're budgeting two months for the 30 day revenue test in case of glitches before accepting production cars.

It took the R142A about 7 months from delivery to inaugural run, hopefully we have that kind of luck with the R211

 

4 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

It's funny the R143 was the first of it's kind and it only took about 2 months of non revenue testing before it entered service... While both the 160 and 179 took a year to complete non revenue testing. 

Lucky for them, the R143 was a lot like the R142A under the hood, so I'm guessing whatever teething-related fixes were applied to the R142A were successfully applied to the R143 very quickly.

CBTC otoh was probably a whole other animal..

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17 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Shouldn’t Queens Blvd get them first? The (A) and the (C) I could see getting them to replace the R46. I question the (G)(N)(W) because they’re out of the CI yd. 

Well I did punch in the numbers by yard, and here is what I came up with:

Base Order of 440 R211A's plus R211T prototypes:

Pitkin Yard ((A) and Rockaway Park Shuttle): 240 cars

207th Street Yard (C): 200 cars (full length trains)

R211T assignments possibly on (A) or (C) but is subject to change.

Option Orders*:

Option 1 (640 cars):

Jamaica (E)(F)(R): 640 cars

Option 2 (437 cars):

Coney Island (B)(G)(N)/(W), (Q): 405 cars (8-car (G) trains via displaced cars possible)

East New York (J)/(Z), (L), (M): 32 cars.

*How the cars are assigned to each service individually will be at the discretion of yard personnel and (MTA) preferences.

This would guarantee enough cars for each yard to accommodate current and future service needs.

For more information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YqtovcsH7WCve-aDzBdk-tDT0nIBC6nO7MIuvWuvmbo/edit?usp=sharing

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51 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Well I did punch in the numbers by yard, and here is what I came up with:

Base Order of 440 R211A's plus R211T prototypes:

Pitkin Yard ((A) and Rockaway Park Shuttle): 240 cars

207th Street Yard (C): 200 cars (full length trains)

R211T assignments possibly on (A) or (C) but is subject to change.

Option Orders*:

Option 1 (640 cars):

Jamaica (E)(F)(R): 640 cars

Option 2 (437 cars):

Coney Island (B)(G)(N)/(W), (Q): 405 cars (8-car (G) trains via displaced cars possible)

East New York (J)/(Z), (L), (M): 32 cars.

*How the cars are assigned to each service individually will be at the discretion of yard personnel and (MTA) preferences.

This would guarantee enough cars for each yard to accommodate current and future service needs.

For more information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YqtovcsH7WCve-aDzBdk-tDT0nIBC6nO7MIuvWuvmbo/edit?usp=sharing

How did you come up with 188 R179s for the ENY yd where they only have 100 (3050-3149)? The Pitkin yd has 227 R179s (3010-3049, 3238-3327) {5 cars} (3150-3237) {4 cars} 

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