R32 3838 Posted April 6, 2021 Share #2026 Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: They also need to go on lines whose cars are dropping like flies at a bug zapper (looking at you, lines). They are going on lines that have or going to have CBTC first (hence the ) plus people tend to forget, the has most of the oldest R46's (the cars were mixed up when they were renumbered in 1993) with the youngest (A-A units). Edited April 6, 2021 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted April 6, 2021 Share #2027 Posted April 6, 2021 8 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: They also need to go on lines whose cars are dropping like flies at a bug zapper (looking at you, lines). I laughed at this quote! Pure genius! As for the they'll probably just get the R160s back. The R211s are really needed on thee "high ridership / frequency routes" - . The only reason the is getting them is because of the R179 8-car vs. 10-car issues. Do not expect 10-car R179s to run on the unless all the 8-car units are banned from the route and therefore transferred to the and . Or maybe the MTA will throw a curve ball and assign the R160s to the and (again because of 8th Avenue CBTC), with the leftovers on the , and the R68s on the , and leftovers on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted April 6, 2021 Share #2028 Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: I laughed at this quote! Pure genius! As for the they'll probably just get the R160s back. The R211s are really needed on thee "high ridership / frequency routes" - . The only reason the is getting them is because of the R179 8-car vs. 10-car issues. Do not expect 10-car R179s to run on the unless all the 8-car units are banned from the route and therefore transferred to the and . Or maybe the MTA will throw a curve ball and assign the R160s to the and (again because of 8th Avenue CBTC), with the leftovers on the , and the R68s on the , and leftovers on the . Lol, this is what makes the R211 order so interesting lol. CIY getting some of their R160s back. Surely they can give some R211s not much y'know but who knows. And I did heard of the being 10 car. They can be a chance that the can be fully R211 and all the ten car R179s might go to CIY for service for the and other lines. It's possible or it's gonna be CBTC upgraded. I've discussed this with someone about the 8 car R179 transfer to certain yard, I might give it a thought to remember I might clarify that it won't be going to Fresh Pond Yard since the R160s on the M are CBTC upgraded n' all or probably will be getting 8 car R211s (Maybe some Lemons we'll see what happens) and trains rides mostly R179s bringing in more R179s to ENYY might make a overflow and it can be suggestible to send some of them to Canarsie or so for Service Thing is about Concourse getting R160s out of Jamaica may bring some of its R68s from Concourse to CIY probably for increased service,. Probably will be running with R160s or R211s or possibly R179s transferred off to the for service including for an Upcoming 6th Avenue/CPW CBTC Those are just mine and someones opinions about R160 transferring and the R211 order will be sorted out. Edited April 6, 2021 by Jacob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 7, 2021 Share #2029 Posted April 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Jacob said: Lol, this is what makes the R211 order so interesting lol. CIY getting some of their R160s back. Surely they can give some R211s not much y'know but who knows. And I did heard of the being 10 car. They can be a chance that the can be fully R211 and all the ten car R179s might go to CIY for service for the and other lines. It's possible or it's gonna be CBTC upgraded. I've discussed this with someone about the 8 car R179 transfer to certain yard, I might give it a thought to remember I might clarify that it won't be going to Fresh Pond Yard since the R160s on the M are CBTC upgraded n' all or probably will be getting 8 car R211s (Maybe some Lemons we'll see what happens) and trains rides mostly R179s bringing in more R179s to ENYY might make a overflow and it can be suggestible to send some of them to Canarsie or so for Service Thing is about Concourse getting R160s out of Jamaica may bring some of its R68s from Concourse to CIY probably for increased service,. Probably will be running with R160s or R211s or possibly R179s transferred off to the for service including for an Upcoming 6th Avenue/CPW CBTC Those are just mine and someones opinions about R160 transferring and the R211 order will be sorted out. Let's see what happens. The base order of r211A's will barely be enough to replace/displace the r46's on the A/C, which will be the lines getting them due to 8th Avenue CBTC. The E will most likely get the base order of r211Ts. As for the option orders, it is still not confirmed if the MTA will purchase all option orders. Even if the MTA purchases all option orders, it is still unclear how many r211A's and r211Ts will be included in the option orders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 7, 2021 Share #2030 Posted April 7, 2021 18 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Let's see what happens. The base order of r211A's will barely be enough to replace/displace the r46's on the A/C, which will be the lines getting them due to 8th Avenue CBTC. The E will most likely get the base order of r211Ts. As for the option orders, it is still not confirmed if the MTA will purchase all option orders. Even if the MTA purchases all option orders, it is still unclear how many r211A's and r211Ts will be included in the option orders. I guess we will see what happens. How far along are they on 8th Ave CBTC construction? I’m fine with the and getting them first, as they certainly do need them, though I guess that means their R46s will either get displaced to CI or go straight to the scrap heap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted April 7, 2021 Share #2031 Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: I guess we will see what happens. How far along are they on 8th Ave CBTC construction? I’m fine with the and getting them first, as they certainly do need them, though I guess that means their R46s will either get displaced to CI or go straight to the scrap heap. Probably will get displaced to CI so that CI gets rid of their R46's. They are in a much worse state compared to Pitkin's. Not sure about 8 Av CBTC though, they released information about what they plan on doing I guess, but it was super vague. They stated that there would be no , , and trains along 8 Av while also including alternatives such as the , , and every weekend until August 2021. What's interesting about this is that they mention the , but they never mentioned the . This is just a guess, but they might be having trains run during weekends and replace the and during the weekends between 59 St-Columbus Circle and Inwood-207 St. I could be overthinking this, but they were pretty vague with explaining what they plan on doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 8, 2021 Share #2032 Posted April 8, 2021 23 hours ago, Vulturious said: Probably will get displaced to CI so that CI gets rid of their R46's. They are in a much worse state compared to Pitkin's. Not sure about 8 Av CBTC though, they released information about what they plan on doing I guess, but it was super vague. They stated that there would be no , , and trains along 8 Av while also including alternatives such as the , , and every weekend until August 2021. What's interesting about this is that they mention the , but they never mentioned the . This is just a guess, but they might be having trains run during weekends and replace the and during the weekends between 59 St-Columbus Circle and Inwood-207 St. I could be overthinking this, but they were pretty vague with explaining what they plan on doing. The would be able to substitute for the and ‘s Upper Manhattan stations, but what about the Brooklyn stations? The runs alongside the and in Upper Manhattan, but it runs through a completely different area of Brooklyn. They probably could have the run local from 207th to 59th, then via the from 59th to West 4th, then via the from West 4th to Jay Street, then regular route (via local) from Jay onwards. It would be less confusing to reroute the via 6th Ave since Fulton riders know the , as opposed to the which doesn’t even have a transfer to the in Brooklyn, let alone run alongside it. Most likely, the runs via the to Whitehall, or gets some sort of shuttle service in Queens (probably Parsons-Archer to Union Tpke), while the gets the weekends off entirely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 8, 2021 Share #2033 Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: The would be able to substitute for the and ‘s Upper Manhattan stations, but what about the Brooklyn stations? The runs alongside the and in Upper Manhattan, but it runs through a completely different area of Brooklyn. They probably could have the run local from 207th to 59th, then via the from 59th to West 4th, then via the from West 4th to Jay Street, then regular route (via local) from Jay onwards. It would be less confusing to reroute the via 6th Ave since Fulton riders know the , as opposed to the which doesn’t even have a transfer to the in Brooklyn, let alone run alongside it. Most likely, the runs via the to Whitehall, or gets some sort of shuttle service in Queens (probably Parsons-Archer to Union Tpke), while the gets the weekends off entirely. They might probably run the B from 168 or 145 to 2nd Avenue or like they did in the past, extend the M from Essex St to 168th Street, while the A and E gets rerouted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2034 Posted April 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: They might probably run the B from 168 or 145 to 2nd Avenue or like they did in the past, extend the M from Essex St to 168th Street, while the A and E gets rerouted. Maybe, but they only mentioned the and not the like I said earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2035 Posted April 9, 2021 This is what is on the MTA website "During the 8th Ave Line improvements, there will be no local or express train service at these stations on impacted weekends (every weekend through August, 2021) 8th Ave 50th St 42nd St 34th St 23rd St 14th St West 4th St Spring St Canal St Chambers St Fulton St High St As alternatives, trains on 6th Ave and local buses are available to complete your trip. Car and pedestrian traffic will also be limited in some areas while we’re doing this work." (MTA website) In other words, A/C service is not suspended along 8th Avenue. In some weekend, the A runs local in one direction. In some weekend, the C and F are running express in one direction, maintaining normal service in the opposite direction. Also, the F has been replacing the E due to Sandy work on the F tunnel going to Brooklyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2036 Posted April 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: This is what is on the MTA website "During the 8th Ave Line improvements, there will be no local or express train service at these stations on impacted weekends (every weekend through August, 2021) [snipped for space] As alternatives, trains on 6th Ave and local buses are available to complete your trip. Car and pedestrian traffic will also be limited in some areas while we’re doing this work." (MTA website) Seems to me that they're trying to get as much work done as possible without large scale outages, which will probably have to come later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2037 Posted April 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Seems to me that they're trying to get as much work done as possible without large scale outages, which will probably have to come later. I think it’s more invasive to do large scale outages on the but less-so on the and . To reroute the between manhattan and Brooklyn, you need track capacity on both the local and express tracks on 6 Av. This leaves little space for the so it can run to 2 Av, or it must be rerouted to Whitehall St via Broadway. As for the and reroute on 6 Av, it’s been done before and much easier, since you just have to flip the southern routes of the and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68ACTrain Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2038 Posted April 9, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 8:38 AM, darkstar8983 said: I laughed at this quote! Pure genius! As for the they'll probably just get the R160s back. The R211s are really needed on thee "high ridership / frequency routes" - . The only reason the is getting them is because of the R179 8-car vs. 10-car issues. This is why I stressed this. Have the R211s go to Jamaica, Pitkin, and 207th. Have the displaced R160s go to Coney Island... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2039 Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: I think it’s more invasive to do large scale outages on the but less-so on the and . To reroute the between manhattan and Brooklyn, you need track capacity on both the local and express tracks on 6 Av. This leaves little space for the so it can run to 2 Av, or it must be rerouted to Whitehall St via Broadway. As for the and reroute on 6 Av, it’s been done before and much easier, since you just have to flip the southern routes of the and . If they can avoid large scale outages, that would be great. But if they can’t, then there should be capacity on weekends and overnights on 6th for the to be rerouted via the and between 59th and Jay streets, with the and not running there. The is a different story. Either you’d reroute via the to 2nd, reroute via the to Whitehall, or banish the from Manhattan weekends/overnight completely. And like you said, there would be very little capacity on 6th for a rerouted if the is also there. Edited April 9, 2021 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2040 Posted April 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: If they can avoid large scale outages, then that would be great. But on weekends and overnight hours, there should be capacity on 6th for the to be rerouted via the and between 59th and Jay streets, with the and not running there. The is a different story. Either you’d reroute via the to 2nd, reroute via the to Whitehall, or banish the from Manhattan weekends/overnight completely. And like you said, there would be very little capacity on 6th for a rerouted if the is also there. Also forgot to mention the line. It should not be completely suspended. Either it gets rerouted via 6 Av along with the or run it as the Central Park West Local from 168 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle. Having the train local the entire route from 207 St to Far Rockaway ALL WEEKEND is too torturous of a route 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2041 Posted April 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: Also forgot to mention the line. It should not be completely suspended. Either it gets rerouted via 6 Av along with the or run it as the Central Park West Local from 168 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle. Having the train local the entire route from 207 St to Far Rockaway ALL WEEKEND is too torturous of a route The would have to be rerouted along with the . There’s nowhere to turn back CPW local trains at 59th. I do agree that shouldn’t run local all the way on weekends (although Transit has done it in the past). Would there be enough track capacity both the and to be rerouted via the and between 59th and Jay without causing major merging delays? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted April 9, 2021 Share #2042 Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: The would have to be rerouted along with the . There’s nowhere to turn back CPW local trains at 59th. I do agree that shouldn’t run local all the way on weekends (although Transit has done it in the past). Would there be enough track capacity both the and to be rerouted via the and between 59th and Jay without causing major merging delays? Technically the could use the uptown local track to relay while the and use the express tracks but yes otherwise the and both via 6 Av local, and the via 59 St/Broadway Local to Whitehall St Edited April 9, 2021 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2043 Posted April 10, 2021 3 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: The would have to be rerouted along with the . There’s nowhere to turn back CPW local trains at 59th. I do agree that shouldn’t run local all the way on weekends (although Transit has done it in the past). Would there be enough track capacity both the and to be rerouted via the and between 59th and Jay without causing major merging delays? Yes. Both trains have been rerouted through 6th Avenue in the past due to track work or issues on 8th Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2044 Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) I think the simplest course of action is via 6th/Rutgers via Broadway. We can try other things but why not just keep it simple. Ironically, the MTA demonstrated that you can make the and all co-exist on 6th when it replaced the with the the last time they ran a G.O. like this. Simply slot in the where the was. Edited April 10, 2021 by Around the Horn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2045 Posted April 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Around the Horn said: I think the simplest course of action is via 6th/Rutgers via Broadway. We can try other things but why not just keep it simple. Ironically, the MTA demonstrated that you can make the and all co-exist on 6th when it replaced the with the the last time they ran a G.O. like this. Simply slot in the where the was. I agree. Things need to be kept simple. The MTA sure likes to complicate things for riders. I saw a sign saying that C is going to replace the D in the Bronx and Manhattan for 2 weekends due to work in Manhattan Bridge. WTF?? Is the C going to run along 6th Avenue?? Why are they disrupting service on 6th Avenue when 8th Avenue is being disrupted due to CBTC?? Why don't they just simply run the D from the Bronx to 34th Street like they always due whenever work is done on the Manhattan Bridge?? SMH!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2046 Posted April 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I agree. Things need to be kept simple. The MTA sure likes to complicate things for riders. I saw a sign saying that C is going to replace the D in the Bronx and Manhattan for 2 weekends due to work in Manhattan Bridge. WTF?? Is the C going to run along 6th Avenue?? Why are they disrupting service on 6th Avenue when 8th Avenue is being disrupted due to CBTC?? Why don't they just simply run the D from the Bronx to 34th Street like they always due whenever work is done on the Manhattan Bridge?? SMH!! Because the CPW-7th Av transverse is closed for signal work. 2nd Av & WTC aren't available for terminals. There's no place you can turn around the which is why they're running the in its place... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2047 Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: Because the CPW-7th Av transverse is closed for signal work. 2nd Av & WTC aren't available for terminals. There's no place you can turn around the which is why they're running the in its place... not * 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2048 Posted April 10, 2021 5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I agree. Things need to be kept simple. The MTA sure likes to complicate things for riders. I saw a sign saying that C is going to replace the D in the Bronx and Manhattan for 2 weekends due to work in Manhattan Bridge. WTF?? Is the C going to run along 6th Avenue?? Why are they disrupting service on 6th Avenue when 8th Avenue is being disrupted due to CBTC?? Why don't they just simply run the D from the Bronx to 34th Street like they always due whenever work is done on the Manhattan Bridge?? SMH!! NGL, the was vauge with the wording of that G.O., unless they're planning to also do work between 59th and DeKalb, then it wouldn't make sense to send the to 205th regardless, although I'll admit that'll be pretty cool to see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 10, 2021 Share #2049 Posted April 10, 2021 6 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I agree. Things need to be kept simple. The MTA sure likes to complicate things for riders. I saw a sign saying that C is going to replace the D in the Bronx and Manhattan for 2 weekends due to work in Manhattan Bridge. WTF?? Is the C going to run along 6th Avenue?? Why are they disrupting service on 6th Avenue when 8th Avenue is being disrupted due to CBTC?? Why don't they just simply run the D from the Bronx to 34th Street like they always due whenever work is done on the Manhattan Bridge?? SMH!! Can't run the to 34th when the portion from 59th to 47-50th is also closed and you also can't run the via 8th when both WTC and 2nd Av are unavailable for the second weekend due to a separate G.O., so your only option under these conditions is rerouting the to the Bronx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 11, 2021 Share #2050 Posted April 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Can't run the to 34th when the portion from 59th to 47-50th is also closed and you also can't run the via 8th when both WTC and 2nd Av are unavailable for the second weekend due to a separate G.O., so your only option under these conditions is rerouting the to the Bronx. Thanks for the clarification. The signs on the stations only mention work on Manhattan Bridge The C should definitely use the r68's from Concourse yard during both weekends and it needs to run as often than the D normally runs during the weekends, especially if the Yankees are playing in the Bronx. I don't think that the MTA should be doing so many large scales outages during the weekends. This is causing overcrowding, especially on Saturday evenings, and now that people are getting vaccinated, they have more reasons to be going out and not stay home. If they are doing track and signal work on 8th Avenue, then they should not be disrupting service on the 6th and 7th Avenue lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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