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3 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Gotta love how her first instinct is to protect Cuomo; what a f**king tool...

 

the dummies at (MTA) and the dummies (riding public) don't understand that the chip shortage is the main reason why these cars are delayed.

 

also maybe if they had spares for CI's R46's, the (N)(Q)(W) lines wouldn't have such delays

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55 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

 

the dummies at (MTA) and the dummies (riding public) don't understand that the chip shortage is the main reason why these cars are delayed.

 

also maybe if they had spares for CI's R46's, the (N)(Q)(W) lines wouldn't have such delays

It's funny because absent that, the train has looked ready to go for months now

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45 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

It's funny because absent that, the train has looked ready to go for months now

 

It's probably testing, R&D and other things that could hold it up. also vendor that probably still have certain parts. but as for the entire production of the base order, that would be delayed.

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Let's not forget that the pandemic really screw things up with the r211's. If it weren't for the pandemic, the test train would have entered service and perhaps even start seeing a few base production trains being delivered and tested 

The MTA should consider running less r46's during the weekends, especially during the summer. The NQ can use CI r68's and r160's. Jamaica and ENY can loan a few of their NTT's to the AC during the weekends.

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2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Let's not forget that the pandemic really screw things up with the r211's. If it weren't for the pandemic, the test train would have entered service and perhaps even start seeing a few base production trains being delivered and tested 

The MTA should consider running less r46's during the weekends, especially during the summer. The NQ can use CI r68's and r160's. Jamaica and ENY can loan a few of their NTT's to the AC during the weekends.

Yes agreed.

on weekends (especially the ones when the (F) is cut off from Coney Island), use those R160s on the (N) and some of the (B)‘s R68s can run on the (Q) to give the R46s a break

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2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Let's not forget that the pandemic really screw things up with the r211's. If it weren't for the pandemic, the test train would have entered service and perhaps even start seeing a few base production trains being delivered and tested 

The MTA should consider running less r46's during the weekends, especially during the summer. The NQ can use CI r68's and r160's. Jamaica and ENY can loan a few of their NTT's to the AC during the weekends.

This isn't necessary at all. The R46s aren't that bad. They ran R32s on literally the longest line in the system off peak and weekends and the R46s are far more reliable than the R32s were.

 

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23 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

This isn't necessary at all. The R46s aren't that bad. They ran R32s on literally the longest line in the system off peak and weekends and the R46s are far more reliable than the R32s were.

 

 

Pitkin ones are fine, the CI ones are garbage, if the idiots just put them on the (B) this would be a non issue.

On 6/2/2021 at 3:15 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Let's not forget that the pandemic really screw things up with the r211's. If it weren't for the pandemic, the test train would have entered service and perhaps even start seeing a few base production trains being delivered and tested 

The MTA should consider running less r46's during the weekends, especially during the summer. The NQ can use CI r68's and r160's. Jamaica and ENY can loan a few of their NTT's to the AC during the weekends.

This would be a Big waste of money, They already low on R46 spares but borrowing R160's from ENY/Jamaica for the (A)(C) lines would be a big issue and a nightmare to do. It's alot easier for the CI routes to borrow r160's from the (F)(R) since they have lay ups in CI yard and Ave X yard.

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18 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

Pitkin ones are fine, the CI ones are garbage, if the idiots just put them on the (B) this would be a non issue.

This would be a Big waste of money, They already low on R46 spares but borrowing R160's from ENY/Jamaica for the (A)(C) lines would be a big issue and a nightmare to do. It's alot easier for the CI routes to borrow r160's from the (F)(R) since they have lay ups in CI yard and Ave X yard.

According to previous posts, the main issue with putting r46's on the B is Concourse Yard, since some B's are stored in Concourse Yard. It's a small yard and apparently they only want to deal with 1 fleet.

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3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

According to previous posts, the main issue with putting r46's on the B is Concourse Yard, since some B's are stored in Concourse Yard. It's a small yard and apparently they only want to deal with 1 fleet.

I know, but they need to figure out something because running 45 year old subway cars on 4 24/7 routes with very little spare factor is a problem. the R32's had the largest spare factor in the system and still had low MDBF due to age. the R46's will suffer the same fate. when the R46's were only at Jamaica and pitkin, this wasn't as much of a problem since the (A) had a large spare factor of R46's and Jamaica mainly ran the r46's on the (R) with a small chunk on the (F) rush hours only and on weekends they used the R160 (E)(F) yard lay ups on the (R) to give the r46's a break.

 

this is why i think it was a big mistake to take the r32's OOS so early. they should have waited until the first R211 hit service to retire the remaining R32's.

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1 minute ago, R32 3838 said:

I know, but they need to figure out something because running 45 year old subway cars on 4 24/7 routes with very little spare factor is a problem. the R32's had the largest spare factor in the system and still had low MDBF due to age. the R46's will suffer the same fate. when the R46's were only at Jamaica and pitkin, this wasn't as much of a problem since the (A) had a large spare factor of R46's and Jamaica mainly ran the r46's on the (R) with a small chunk on the (F) rush hours only and on weekends they used the R160 (E)(F) yard lay ups on the (R) to give the r46's a break.

This is the same agency that would rather keep the R32's out of service instead of being smart and increasing the spare factor. If enough people actually complain and realize that MTA has trains that they aren't running, they'd put them in service in a heartbeat.

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4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

This is the same agency that would rather keep the R32's out of service instead of being smart and increasing the spare factor. If enough people actually complain and realize that MTA has trains that they aren't running, they'd put them in service in a heartbeat.

IMO just run atleast 5 sets on the (A) as lefferts put ins, The Problem is that you still have the pandemic, high crime and the fact they are half cabs makes it an issue. assaults on (MTA) workers has gone up and Conductor safety plays a major role, The half cabs pose a problem. even if they chain off the area, some jackass is going to do something stupid that can lead to an assault.

 

this is why I was wondering why they are pushing for full service when they know they don't want the R32's on the road.

 

also here's an R211 update

https://trafficnews-jp.translate.goog/post/107624?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv

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17 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

IMO just run atleast 5 sets on the (A) as lefferts put ins, The Problem is that you still have the pandemic, high crime and the fact they are half cabs makes it an issue. assaults on (MTA) workers has gone up and Conductor safety plays a major role, The half cabs pose a problem. even if they chain off the area, some jackass is going to do something stupid that can lead to an assault.

 

this is why I was wondering why they are pushing for full service when they know they don't want the R32's on the road.

 

also here's an R211 update

https://trafficnews-jp.translate.goog/post/107624?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv

The half cabs are the issue, but there's also the issue of how they're going to run full service when they don't have enough cars. Back before the whole pandemic and modified (L) plan even happened, the R32's or some of the R46's were suppose to go to the (B) to keep the mileage down, which would've bumped the R68's to CI with more cars.

Another issue is the (N) and the (W). The R46's are operating 24/7 on three heavily demanding lines (including the (Q)). They try to keep the R160's on Astoria and have the (Q) be full R46 but it never seems to work out the way they want.

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1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

The half cabs are the issue, but there's also the issue of how they're going to run full service when they don't have enough cars. Back before the whole pandemic and modified (L) plan even happened, the R32's or some of the R46's were suppose to go to the (B) to keep the mileage down, which would've bumped the R68's to CI with more cars.

Another issue is the (N) and the (W). The R46's are operating 24/7 on three heavily demanding lines (including the (Q)). They try to keep the R160's on Astoria and have the (Q) be full R46 but it never seems to work out the way they want.

 

yeah I always said that the whole thing on the (N)(Q) with the r46's isn't working out at all. cars are constantly having dead motors and having issues, I have friends who work these lines and they all told me these R46's are garbage.

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6 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Thanks for sharing this information.

I thought these trains are being built in Nebraska.

but the article says that they are being shipped from Japan.

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6 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

IMO just run atleast 5 sets on the (A) as lefferts put ins, The Problem is that you still have the pandemic, high crime and the fact they are half cabs makes it an issue. assaults on (MTA) workers has gone up and Conductor safety plays a major role, The half cabs pose a problem. even if they chain off the area, some jackass is going to do something stupid that can lead to an assault.

 

this is why I was wondering why they are pushing for full service when they know they don't want the R32's on the road.

 

also here's an R211 update

https://trafficnews-jp.translate.goog/post/107624?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv

The r32's are in worse shape than the r46's. If the MTA decides to put some r32's back in service, they'll most likely put in on the JZ line since it's a shorter line that runs mostly outdoors which will bump more r179's to the C.

Also, there was a rumor last year that workers that operate the A/C didn't want the r32's.

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3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Thanks for sharing this information.

I thought these trains are being built in Nebraska.

but the article says that they are being shipped from Japan.

they are being built 100% in Nebraska

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The r32's are in worse shape than the r46's. If the MTA decides to put some r32's back in service, they'll most likely put in on the JZ line since it's a shorter line that runs mostly outdoors which will bump more r179's to the C.

Also, there was a rumor last year that workers that operate the A/C didn't want the r32's.

Body wise the R46's are alot worse than the R32's. But If they were to bring them back, the (A) would be the best choice due to costs. if you have them at ENY then, ENY would have to lose their r179's to 207th making the (C) 100% R179's and the (J) /(Z)  50-60% R32's like in 2014-2018 meaning 50% of the R32 fleet in ENY would have to run all day. the (J) uses the R179's alot more now due to the (M) having a dedicated fleet of R160's due to Queens CBTC. the (J) only uses 8613-8652 and 9943-74 along with about 3-4 R143's, the rest are R179's. By having about 3-4 sets on the (A) you could run them as rush hour lefferts put ins.

 

But it does make logical sense to have them on the (J) / (Z)

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10 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Thanks for sharing this information.

I thought these trains are being built in Nebraska.

but the article says that they are being shipped from Japan.

My understanding is that the pilot open gangway set is coming from Japan. The regular 211A pilot set though and everything else will be built in Nebraska with final assembly at Yonkers most likely

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