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Second ave Subway may miss December 2016 Deadline

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The authorities (MTA, or whatever) should go to China to see how things are done, where you can bull giant new projects thru in no time, with no outside interference....

 

I know, never happen here, sigh.... :rolleyes:

 

They also had to shut down sections of the high-speed rail network due to poor construction quality in the past, they have large scale industrial accidents on a regular basis, and they can also seize property and not compensate people because private property is kind of a strange thing in a Communist state. We decided to make these tradeoffs for a reason.

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Not surprised like everyone else. My only hope is that they don't sacrifice quality construction just to make a deadline. A line that's 3 months late that operates fine is better than one that's on time and is plagued with issues.

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Not surprised like everyone else. My only hope is that they don't sacrifice quality construction just to make a deadline. A line that's 3 months late that operates fine is better than one that's on time and is plagued with issues.

 

The New South Ferry Station comes to mind when it opened with water leaks in 2009 and well, the rest is history.

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The New South Ferry Station comes to mind when it opened with water leaks in 2009 and well, the rest is history.

We sacrificed both in that one. The poor quality and the high expense can be blamed on how people work here and corruption.

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South ferry was a total waste of money. The original build plus the more expensive rebuild will mean it has cost almost $1 billion for a station serving just 2 lines. At least the fulton hub to the north at $1.4 billion serves several other lines. The south ferry stop as of now is what they should have done from the start by connecting the loop platform to the R at whitehall in the same fare zone. Opening the entire 10 car train of the 1 on the new platform wasn't going to do much as you still had to walk all the way to the front to get to the ferry terminal. People would still be better off moving to the first 5 cars anyway.

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Keep in mind that not everyone was going to the ferry terminal as there were many of tourists using every exit.

 

Something else you forgot was that the new South Ferry was ADA accessible unlike the current loop station.

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South ferry was a total waste of money. The original build plus the more expensive rebuild will mean it has cost almost $1 billion for a station serving just 2 lines. At least the fulton hub to the north at $1.4 billion serves several other lines. The south ferry stop as of now is what they should have done from the start by connecting the loop platform to the R at whitehall in the same fare zone. Opening the entire 10 car train of the 1 on the new platform wasn't going to do much as you still had to walk all the way to the front to get to the ferry terminal. People would still be better off moving to the first 5 cars anyway.

Actually no. If the connection was made from the start instead of the new station, they (1) would be the slowpoke it is before 2009 and after Sandy (aka now). The speed is just about the same as approaching and leaving the downtown side of 14 Street-Union Sq station. The new station made it possible to run more trains and allow for a faster run to/from south ferry. Edited by MysteriousBtrain

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Keep in mind that not everyone was going to the ferry terminal as there were many of tourists using every exit.

Something else you forgot was that the new South Ferry was ADA accessible unlike the current loop station.

My main gripe about the station was the absurd costs to build it. A single friggin station. And now the rebuild is more expensive than the original build. It doesn't make any sense. That is why i think it should be forgotten if the next super storm hits and floods it again. I don't see the fed okaying another $500 mil to fix it up again so that it costs as much as the fulton hub just to serve two subway lines. Edited by Grand Concourse

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New South Ferry only cost $500 million and is gonna cost about $600 million to repair it. That's still only $1.1 billion.

 

The huge oversight of it was that once Sandy hit (a one of a kind storm at that), new SF acted like a giant bathtub. Nowhere for the water to drain into, so it just filled up.

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Ironically, the same company that constructed the station is the same one repairing and rebuilding it if I'm correct.

 

The proximity of the station lies in between the waters of both the East & Hudson Rivers not to mention the Harbor, so considerable grouting has or had to be done in order to keep water from seeping into the station. It didn't take the New South Ferry probably less than a year or so to get dirty and rusty from all the water seepage and humidity accumulated. I'm not a big fan of the new station, architecture wise is bland for my taste and prefer the old loop station cause of it's historic significance but, the new station is needed as far as for moving and running more (1) trains on schedule, not having to go through the hassle of moving to one of the first 5 cars to exit, ADA accessibility, and with booming ridership it can be a real necessity & convenience to have two 10 car trains to get on or off for customers, especially during rush hours.

 

Sandy was a lesson learned the hard way, if they want this station to last then quality construction should be performed professionally and accurately to make sure that in the the future lightning doesn't strike twice as far as storms go.

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Any delay pushes it into 2017, because the target date is 12/30. That being said, while it's ok to assume there will be delays, that doesn't automatically mean there will be. They could hit the greatest stroke of luck in MTA history and meet that deadline

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Would the old South Ferry station be still a significant chokehold on the amount of TPH if:

 

A) Trains did not dwell there, and spent as much time there as if it was a regular stop?

B) Both tracks at the loop could be used for the terminal?

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New South Ferry only cost $500 million and is gonna cost about $600 million to repair it. That's still only $1.1 billion.

 

The huge oversight of it was that once Sandy hit (a one of a kind storm at that), new SF acted like a giant bathtub. Nowhere for the water to drain into, so it just filled up.

Oddly enough, new South Ferry probably saved old South Ferry.

 

Ironically, the same company that constructed the station is the same one repairing and rebuilding it if I'm correct.

 

The proximity of the station lies in between the waters of both the East & Hudson Rivers not to mention the Harbor, so considerable grouting has or had to be done in order to keep water from seeping into the station. It didn't take the New South Ferry probably less than a year or so to get dirty and rusty from all the water seepage and humidity accumulated. I'm not a big fan of the new station, architecture wise is bland for my taste and prefer the old loop station cause of it's historic significance but, the new station is needed as far as for moving and running more (1) trains on schedule, not having to go through the hassle of moving to one of the first 5 cars to exit, ADA accessibility, and with booming ridership it can be a real necessity & convenience to have two 10 car trains to get on or off for customers, especially during rush hours.

 

Sandy was a lesson learned the hard way, if they want this station to last then quality construction should be performed professionally and accurately to make sure that in the the future lightning doesn't strike twice as far as storms go.

The thing is, South Ferry was doomed either way. Even if the station was equipped with proper drainage and water proofing that should've been included in the build, it likely would not have been enough to keep the flood surge from overwhelming the station. Remember, this isn't Florida where we'd get storms like this on a regular basis and even then, Sandy was one of those once-in-a-lifetime storms.

 

As for Second Ave being delayed, meh. It's another project that probably won't meet the deadline. With the goalposts for this being moved so many times, who can really say they would be surprised?

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Oddly enough, new South Ferry probably saved old South Ferry.

 

The thing is, South Ferry was doomed either way. Even if the station was equipped with proper drainage and water proofing that should've been included in the build, it likely would not have been enough to keep the flood surge from overwhelming the station. Remember, this isn't Florida where we'd get storms like this on a regular basis and even then, Sandy was one of those once-in-a-lifetime storms.

 

As for Second Ave being delayed, meh. It's another project that probably won't meet the deadline. With the goalposts for this being moved so many times, who can really say they would be surprised?

That is true.  Sandy was a truly freak storm that actually effected every state in the US east of the Mississippi River in one way or another and then affected a good chunk of Canada as well.  

 

And yes, new SF if nothing else likely saved old SF from complete ruin and allowed the (1) to currently use the old station.. 

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