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22 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

What street would be best to get from Seaman to Bway? Because that around-the-Allen Hospital bridge won't hold 2 tracks. Would it just be better to make that (A) tunnel into a 4 track line, and run (1)s via the MNR line, then enter the (A)?

I think that the best option is to do nothing; service is fine as-is. But if the (1) had major repairs needed, for example, it could probably just be cut back to 207 or 215 and your (A) plan could go ahead.

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Just now, paulbyron said:

I think that the best option is to do nothing; service is fine as-is. But if the (1) had major repairs needed, for example, it could probably just be cut back to 207 or 215 and your (A) plan could go ahead.

True. Could there be a light rail along a similar route?

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LIGHT RAIL LINE

:8: Lower Montauk Local / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown

(9) Lower Montauk Express / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown

(9) stops are bolded

:8:s stop at all stops

 

96 St/Broadway (1)(2)(3)

CPW (B)(C)

Madison Av

Lexington Av (6)<6>

2 Av (Q)

via York Av

91 St

86 St

79 St

72 St

65 St

60 St

57 St-1 Av

Queensboro Plaza (7)<7>(N)(W)

via the (7) el, then connecting to the Lower Montauk Branch

Court Sq (7)<7>(E)(M)(G)

Greenpoint Av

Haberman - 43 St

49 St

Maspeth Av

Grand Av

Flushing Av

60 St

Fresh Pond Rd

73 St

Atlas Park - 80 St

88 St

Woodhaven Blvd

Union Tpke

84 Av

121 St (J)(Z)

via the LIRR line to a new platform at

Jamaica (E)(J)(Z)(JFK)(MTA)LIRR

Thoughts? @paulbyron @T to Dyre Avenue 

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17 hours ago, Jova42R said:

True. Could there be a light rail along a similar route?

I think light rail runs into most of the same problems, unless it were to run on streets, in which case why bother?

6 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

LIGHT RAIL LINE

:8: Lower Montauk Local / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown

(9) Lower Montauk Express / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown

(9) stops are bolded

:8:s stop at all stops

 

96 St/Broadway (1)(2)(3)

CPW (B)(C)

Madison Av

Lexington Av (6)<6>

2 Av (Q)

via York Av

91 St

86 St

79 St

72 St

65 St

60 St

57 St-1 Av

Queensboro Plaza (7)<7>(N)(W)

via the (7) el, then connecting to the Lower Montauk Branch

Court Sq (7)<7>(E)(M)(G)

Greenpoint Av

Haberman - 43 St

49 St

Maspeth Av

Grand Av

Flushing Av

60 St

Fresh Pond Rd

73 St

Atlas Park - 80 St

88 St

Woodhaven Blvd

Union Tpke

84 Av

121 St (J)(Z)

via the LIRR line to a new platform at

Jamaica (E)(J)(Z)(JFK)(MTA)LIRR

Thoughts? @paulbyron @T to Dyre Avenue 

I think the part where it runs via the (7) is impossible. I think a lot of this is good, but why not terminate in Midtown and skip York/96 (or build as separate lines)? Also, IIRC, the Lower Montauk Branch is still used for the odd freight train.

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3 hours ago, paulbyron said:

I think light rail runs into most of the same problems, unless it were to run on streets, in which case why bother?

I think the part where it runs via the (7) is impossible. I think a lot of this is good, but why not terminate in Midtown and skip York/96 (or build as separate lines)? Also, IIRC, the Lower Montauk Branch is still used for the odd freight train.

Why is it impossible to run on the (7)?

Freight runs at night, this would not run overnight

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(V) 6 Av Local / 2 Av Local / Ditmars Blvd Local

  • Bergen St (Lower Level) (F)(G)
    • during rush hours, (V)s would terminate at Jay St due to <F>s running through Bergen St
  • Jay St (A)(C)(F)
  • York St (F)
  • E Bway (F)
  • Delancey-Essex (F)(J)(M)(Z)
  • 2 Av (F)
  • Bway-Laffayette (B)(D)(F)(M)
  • W4 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(A)(C)(E)
  • 14 St (1)(2)(3)(L)(F)(M) PATH
  • 23 St (F)(M) PATH
  • 34 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(N)(Q)(R)(W)
  • 42 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(7)
  • 47-50 Sts (B)(D)(F)(M)
  • 57 St (F)
  • 63 St-Lex Av (F)(Q)
  • 72 St (Q)
  • 86 St (Q)
  • 96 St (Q)
    • through a new viaduct to the Wards Island Bridge, which would become a rail bridge
  • Wards Island
    • via a new viaduct across Wards Island to a new bridge to Astoria
  • 21 St - Ditmars Blvd
    • on a new viaduct along Ditmars
    • track connections to the (N)(W) at 31 St
  • 31 St (N)(W)
  • Steinway St
  • 45 St
  • Hazen St
  • Astoria Heights - 73 St
  • LGA Terminal A M60+SBS+
  • LGA Terminal B M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+
  • LGA Terminals C/D M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+

Thoughts?

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Just now, paulbyron said:

It would be capacity-constraining for both lines if it were on the same tracks, and there would be no space to make the el wider.

Oh, I didn't know. In that case why not run it via the <7> track during the non-rush with its own station at Van Dam St, then splitting off. Also, its possible to run trains just via surface streets to the Greenpoint Av Station. Thoughts?

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9 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Oh, I didn't know. In that case why not run it via the <7> track during the non-rush with its own station at Van Dam St, then splitting off. Also, its possible to run trains just via surface streets to the Greenpoint Av Station. Thoughts?

I think it would have to run on surface streets. Also, the <7> is only one track; you'd need 2.

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On 2/25/2020 at 8:43 PM, Jova42R said:

Extension of (A):

  • 207 St (current terminal) :bus_bullet_bx12_ltd:
    • new tunnel under Bway
  • 215 St (1)
    • Under Harlem River
    • Then above ground onto the Putnam Branch
  • 229 St
  • 234 St
  • 240 St
  • Van Cortlandt Park - 248 St
    • this would be a new station in the park, with a new elevated bridge to Broadway
    • splits to Getty Sq Branch here
  • 253 St
    • new station on top of HH Pkwy, bridge to Bway
    • after this station, the line goes on a new elevated viaduct
  • Mosholu Av
  • 261 St
    • termination station, new yard in VC Park, switches south of station

Also under this plan, the (1) would be rerouted

  • 215 St (A)
  • 225 St
    • new viaduct over the MNR line
  • Spuyten Duyvil
    • via a new viaduct to
  • Kappock St
    • via new viaduct over HH Pkwy
  • 232 St
  • 239 St
  • 246 St
  • 252 St
    • termination station, yard would still be 240th, switches north of 239th station to the yard.

Thoughts? @Union Tpke wasn't this proposed before?

As much as I’d love to see rail on the long-gone New York Central Putnam Line, including its even-longer gone Getty Square Branch to Downtown Yonkers, this extension of the (A) would make for one super-long line, with a record number of stops during overnight hours. I can’t think of any T/O or conductor who’d want to pick the (A) if it ran in four boroughs, especially to/from the Rockaways.

21 hours ago, Jova42R said:

(V) 6 Av Local / 2 Av Local / Ditmars Blvd Local

  • Bergen St (Lower Level) (F)(G)
    • during rush hours, (V)s would terminate at Jay St due to <F>s running through Bergen St
  • Jay St (A)(C)(F)
  • York St (F)
  • E Bway (F)
  • Delancey-Essex (F)(J)(M)(Z)
  • 2 Av (F)
  • Bway-Laffayette (B)(D)(F)(M)
  • W4 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(A)(C)(E)
  • 14 St (1)(2)(3)(L)(F)(M) PATH
  • 23 St (F)(M) PATH
  • 34 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(N)(Q)(R)(W)
  • 42 St (B)(D)(F)(M)(7)
  • 47-50 Sts (B)(D)(F)(M)
  • 57 St (F)
  • 63 St-Lex Av (F)(Q)
  • 72 St (Q)
  • 86 St (Q)
  • 96 St (Q)
    • through a new viaduct to the Wards Island Bridge, which would become a rail bridge
  • Wards Island
    • via a new viaduct across Wards Island to a new bridge to Astoria
  • 21 St - Ditmars Blvd
    • on a new viaduct along Ditmars
    • track connections to the (N)(W) at 31 St
  • 31 St (N)(W)
  • Steinway St
  • 45 St
  • Hazen St
  • Astoria Heights - 73 St
  • LGA Terminal A M60+SBS+
  • LGA Terminal B M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+
  • LGA Terminals C/D M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+

Thoughts?

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How frequently would this (V) be able to run? I imagine not very, given all the reverse branching/interlining going on with the (F)<F>(G) in Brooklyn, the (F)<F>(M) on 6th Avenue and the Q on 2nd. And how would you even be able to turn this V at Jay during rush hours with the F running through there (and on the outside tracks, no less)? 

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This could be branded as a subway (the (H)) or a new LIRR Line:

Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated)

via the Amtrak West Side Line

Inwood - Dyckman St walk to (A)

177 St (enter from Haven Av)

158 St walk to (1)

125 St walk to (1)

96 St (tunnel to Broadway) (1)(2)(3)

83 St

75 St

62 St

48 St

41 St

Penn Station (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E)(NJT)(MTA)LIRR Amtrak

through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch

Greenpoint Av

Haberman

48 St

Maspeth Av

Flushing Av

Eliot Av

Metropolitan Av (M)

Glendale - 73 St

Atlas Park - 80 St

88 St

Union Tpke

Park Ln S

121 St (J)(Z)

Jamaica (E)(J)(Z)(MTA)LIRR

 

Thoughts?

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21 hours ago, Jova42R said:

This could be branded as a subway (the (H)) or a new LIRR Line:

Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated)

via the Amtrak West Side Line

Inwood - Dyckman St walk to (A)

177 St (enter from Haven Av)

158 St walk to (1)

125 St walk to (1)

96 St (tunnel to Broadway) (1)(2)(3)

83 St

75 St

62 St

48 St

41 St

Penn Station (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E)(NJT)(MTA)LIRR Amtrak

through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch

Greenpoint Av

Haberman

48 St

Maspeth Av

Flushing Av

Eliot Av

Metropolitan Av (M)

Glendale - 73 St

Atlas Park - 80 St

88 St

Union Tpke

Park Ln S

121 St (J)(Z)

Jamaica (E)(J)(Z)(MTA)LIRR

 

Thoughts?

I think this could work, but I think you should ax the 41 St station, and move the 48 St station to 53rd. Also, does the Freedom Tunnel have room for these stations (especially 96th, 83rd, 75th, and 62nd?) As well, are you thinking of quadruple-tracking the northern part of the tunnel and/or double-tracking the southern single-tracked part?

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On 3/8/2020 at 12:01 PM, Jova42R said:

This could be branded as a subway (the (H)) or a new LIRR Line:

Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated)

via the Amtrak West Side Line

Inwood - Dyckman St walk to (A)

177 St (enter from Haven Av)

158 St walk to (1)

125 St walk to (1)

96 St (tunnel to Broadway) (1)(2)(3)

83 St

75 St

62 St

48 St

41 St

Penn Station (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E)(NJT)(MTA)LIRR Amtrak

through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch

Greenpoint Av

Haberman

48 St

Maspeth Av

Flushing Av

Eliot Av

Metropolitan Av (M)

Glendale - 73 St

Atlas Park - 80 St

88 St

Union Tpke

Park Ln S

121 St (J)(Z)

Jamaica (E)(J)(Z)(MTA)LIRR

 

Thoughts?

Population density too low, with little prospect of densification. Let's serve places with more people first.

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On 1/14/2020 at 10:54 PM, T to Dyre Avenue said:

As for the (F), you’d never be able to get away with running all (F)’s express between Church and Bergen. Look at all we went through just to get the two morning and evening <F>’s we have now.

How much congestion would it cause to run (G) to Coney Island, and end <F>(F) at Kings Hwy, or run (F)(G) like interlined buses where (G) turns into (F)<F> at either terminal and vice versa?

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41 minutes ago, Deucey said:

How much congestion would it cause to run (G) to Coney Island, and end <F>(F) at Kings Hwy, or run (F)(G) like interlined buses where (G) turns into (F)<F> at either terminal and vice versa?

Probably a lot, because turning 15 tph worth of (F)<F> trains on the single middle track at Kings Highway would be a lot. (F)<F>(G) interlining would be possible, but only if they all terminated at the same terminal at one end (like at Coney Island). But I don’t think the (F) platform at Coney Island would be able to turn all that service. They already can’t turn all (F) trains there during rush due to how far away the crossover switches are from the station.

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This is my (G) to Manhattan plan plus QB Bypass:

The Plan:

After Greenpoint Ave, a 2 track tunnel is built under the East River around India St which brings the (G) in at 23rd st. The route runs down 23rd st then turns up Fifth Ave before then going back under the East River to Queens @ 61st. Also, the tunnel under 61st is 4 tracks (like 63rd st) because underneath the (G) will be the (R) train as well. Once in Queens, the route follows along 41st Rd and Queens Plaza before making it's first stop at Queens Plaza (transfer to (E)) then runs under the LIRR ROW until reaching Queens Blvd where it turns to run under QB until Jamaica Ave, where it turns to a new terminus @ Jamaica Ave and Merrick Blvd. Also, Woodhaven Blvd will be turned into an express stop along the existing QB subway as well. 

The Rationale:

The Queens subway network is overloaded, and adding 4 additional tracks (two pairs) between Queens and Manhattan adds necessary capacity to the system. We achieve de-interlining with the (E), (F), (G), and (R) never sharing infrastructure throughout their journey thru Queens and into Manhattan. Each line has it's own tracks. Crowds should be balanced, with both the (G) and (R) serving prime destinations and the (F)'s express-63rd St combo being matched by the (E)'s local-53rd St offering. Along with this, by running the (G) into Manhattan from Brooklyn, we will relieve pressure off the (L) and provide for more growth in Greenpoint/Williamsburg/Bed Stuy. An additional benefit to this plan is adding subway service along Fifth Ave, which is right in the heart of the Midtown CBD and major tourist corridor. Now, instead of cramming either the (E) or (4)(5)(6) trains, Queens riders have a new way to reach the East Side. Finally, this plan will provide significant relief to the (7). With (7)<7> passengers able to catch their beloved Broadway service, as well as a new Fifth Ave service for East Side access, at Woodside, this will help ease crowding on the Sunnyside portion of the line. 

 

Service Patterns:

(E) 179st-Hillside to WTC via QB Local->53rd st->8th Ave (20tph)

(F) 179st-Hillside to CI via QB express->63rd St->6th Ave (30tph)

(G) Church Ave to Jamaica-Merrick via Culver->Crosstown->23rd St->5th Ave->61st Tunnel->QB Bypass (30tph)

(N) Current Route (15tph)

(Q) Current Route (15tph)

(R) Whitehall St/City Hall LL to Jamaica-Merrick via Broadway Local -> 61st Tunnel -> QB Bypass (30tph)

(brownM) Metropolitan Ave to Bay Ridge via Nassau and 4th Ave Local

Stations:

First Ave & 23rd St (G) (Access to Bellevue and Tisch Hospitals)

Fifth Ave & 23rd St (G) (Transfer to (R), Madison Sq Park)

Fifth Ave & 34th St (G) (ESB)

Fifth Ave & 42nd St-Bryant Park (G) (Transfer to  (B)(D)(F)(M)(7))

Fifth Ave & 50th St (G)  (Rockefeller Ctr, Transfer to (E))

Fifth Ave & 59th St (G)  (Transfer to (N)

Lex & 61st (G)(R) (transfer to (4)(5)(6))

Queens Plaza (G)(R) (Transfer to (E))

Woodside-61st (G)(R) (Transfer to (7) and LIRR)

Woodhaven Blvd-Queens Center (G)(R) (Transfer to (E)(F))

Forest Hills-71st Ave (G)(R) (Transfer to (E)(F))

Jamaica-Van Wyck (G)(R) 

Jamaica-Sutphin (G)(R) (Transfer to (J)(Z) and LIRR)

Jamaica-Parsons (G)(R) (Transfer to (J)(Z))

Jamaica-Merrick (G)(R) 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, shiznit1987 said:

This is my (G) to Manhattan plan plus QB Bypass:

(post shortened as to not bloat the thread)

If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following:

SERVICE PATTERNS

(E) 8 Av Express

(F) all (F)s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer

(M) becomes (brownM)

(R) runs to Astoria

(N) runs to 96th

(orangeQ) starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th

(H) see below

FLEET ROSTER

(E) R160, R211

(F) R160, R211

(brownM) R46

(N) R46, R68/A, R160

(R) R46

(orangeQ) R160, R211

(H) R160, R211

(G) R46, R68

WEEKEND CHANGES

(orangeQ) runs to 168 St on the (C)

LATE NIGHT CHANGES

No (orangeQ) 

(H) Culver Local / Crosstown Local / Williamsburg Bridge / 5 Av Local / 63 St Express / QBL Express

  • Church Av (F)(G)
    • All (G) stops until Broadway
  • Broadway walk to (J)(brownM)
    • New tunnel under S. 5 St
  • Marcy Av (J)(brownM) B44 SBS B46 SBS
    • via the abandoned trolley trackway on the Willy B or the pedestrian path, then into the abandoned trolley terminal
  • Delancey-Essex (trolley terminal) (F)(J)(brownM)(Z)
    • via Chrystie St Connection
  • Broadway-Laffayette (B)(D)(F)(6)<6>
    • curves off under Thompson St to a new viaduct over 5 Av
  • Washington Square Park walk to (A)(B)(C)(D)(E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • 16 St
  • 23 St (R)(W)
  • 30 St
  • 37 St
  • 42 St (B)(D)(F)(7)<7>
  • 48 St
    • underground to the 63rd Street Line under Park Av
  • Lex-63 (new lower level) (F)(Q)
    • under the LIRR ROW, then merging with the (E)
  • Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av (E)(F)(orangeQ)(7)<7>
  • Woodhaven Blvd (E)(F)(orangeQ) Q52 SBS Q53 SBS
  • Forest Hills-71 Av (E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • Kew Gardens-Union Tpke (E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • Parsons Blvd (orangeQ)
  • 179 St (orangeQ)

Would this be good @shiznit1987@T to Dyre Avenue@Deucey@paulbyron?

 

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@Jova42R:

(H): S 5th St abuts the Willy B, so you’d end up destroying buildings on S 4th and 3rd, along with the Willy B bus plaza to build the loop and junction to the Jamaica Line - not to mention having to install supports for the Willy B for the tunnel to get to S 5th St. 

That junction would look a lot like the Harlem River Drive to Triboro Bridge ramp:

 

19 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

SERVICE PATTERNS

(E) 8 Av Express

(F) all (F)s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer

(M) becomes (brownM)

(R) runs to Astoria

(N) runs to 96th

(orangeQ) starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th

When so much of S Williamsburg residents take (M) to Flatiron, making them switch to (F) at Essex/Delancey from (J)(brownM) would crowd already crowded (F) trains alongside <F> trains, which would free up slots on 6th Av from no more (M), but would ruin QBL with (F)<F> being local with (R) and (orangeQ) - the latter of which would ruin 6th Av since it would delay local on 6th Av.

If (Q) capacity weren’t an issue, and you brought back (brownM), you could run <F> to 96th St, but that gives a service gap on QBL Express to 179th - which I would think could be tolerable for two reasons: (A) already has two terminals so NBD, and (D) already has lower frequencies because (A) service requirements - but I don’t live in Queens on the (F) so I can’t make that user-level judgment.

Also, because Culver is three-track, and (G) has to go somewhere, you have to solve where (F)<F>(G) terminate without a conga line causing QBL Local style problems - since terminating it before 7th Av, it carries air after Bergen St.

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1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following:

SERVICE PATTERNS

(E) 8 Av Express

(F) all (F)s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer

(M) becomes (brownM)

(R) runs to Astoria

(N) runs to 96th

(orangeQ) starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th

(H) see below

 

Let me just say that I’m not a fan of bringing back the (brownM) or (orangeQ). The current (M) and (Q) services are popular and convenient and there is really no good reason to return the M to Nassau St/4th Avenue or the Q to 6th Avenue. Not unless there’s some kind of long-term work on the Manny B or the Willy B that would prevent the M from going to 6th Avenue or the Q to Broadway. And what’s going to serve the Brighton local stops if the Q is on 6th Avenue? Is the current (Q) not being discontinued? Wouldn’t it be confusing to have both (Q) and (orangeQ) services? The (orangeQ) service you’re proposing will be of very limited use. It’s basically the (V) train (so why not call it the (V)?), but extended to 179th. And why send the (F) to Jamaica Center?

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1 hour ago, Jova42R said:
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If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following:

SERVICE PATTERNS

(E) 8 Av Express

(F) all (F)s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer

(M) becomes (brownM)

(R) runs to Astoria

(N) runs to 96th

(orangeQ) starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th

(H) see below

 

The issues with the service pattern are:

1) you sever QB from Broadway. That connection is extremely important, so much so people will ride the local all the way to places like Woodhaven/63rd Dr just to be on the (R). I live along QB so I know. 

2) What is serving Brighton if there is now a (orangeQ)? This undoes the Manhattan Bridge planning from the 2000s. 

 

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(H) Culver Local / Crosstown Local / Williamsburg Bridge / 5 Av Local / 63 St Express / QBL Express

  • Church Av (F)(G)
    • All (G) stops until Broadway
  • Broadway walk to (J)(brownM)
    • New tunnel under S. 5 St
  • Marcy Av (J)(brownM) B44 SBS B46 SBS
    • via the abandoned trolley trackway on the Willy B or the pedestrian path, then into the abandoned trolley terminal
  • Delancey-Essex (trolley terminal) (F)(J)(brownM)(Z)
    • via Chrystie St Connection
  • Broadway-Laffayette (B)(D)(F)(6)<6>
    • curves off under Thompson St to a new viaduct over 5 Av
  • Washington Square Park walk to (A)(B)(C)(D)(E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • 16 St
  • 23 St (R)(W)
  • 30 St
  • 37 St
  • 42 St (B)(D)(F)(7)<7>
  • 48 St
    • underground to the 63rd Street Line under Park Av
  • Lex-63 (new lower level) (F)(Q)
    • under the LIRR ROW, then merging with the (E)
  • Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av (E)(F)(orangeQ)(7)<7>
  • Woodhaven Blvd (E)(F)(orangeQ) Q52 SBS Q53 SBS
  • Forest Hills-71 Av (E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • Kew Gardens-Union Tpke (E)(F)(orangeQ)
  • Parsons Blvd (orangeQ)
  • 179 St (orangeQ)

Would this be good @shiznit1987@T to Dyre Avenue@Deucey@paulbyron?

 

The issues with the (H) are 1) Does it share the Crosstown with the (G) or replace it? 2) Going over the WillyB ceases to help get crowds off the (L) 3) Merging it with the (E) means you've added zero new Queens capacity even with a new tunnel. Plus de-interlining remains unaccomplished. 

 

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13 hours ago, shiznit1987 said:

1) you sever QB from Broadway. That connection is extremely important, so much so people will ride the local all the way to places like Woodhaven/63rd Dr just to be on the (R). I live along QB so I know. 

6th Avenue and Broadway run one block apart in most cases, so it’s all a matter of an extra walk to a nearby (F) station. More specially:

  • Queens Plaza: 21st Street-Queensbridge
  • Lexington Avenue-59th Street: Lexington Avenue-63rd Street
  • 5th Avenue-59th Street: 57th Street-6th Avenue 
  • 57th Street-7th Avenue: 57th Street-6th Avenue 
  • 49th Street: 47th-50th Street - Rockefeller Center 
  • Times Square-42nd Street: 42nd Street-Bryant Park 
  • 34th Street-Herald Square: 34th Street-Herald Sq on 6th Avenue platforms 
  • 28th Street: 34th Street-Herlad Square 
  • 23rd Street: 23rd Street/6th Avenue
  • 14th Street-Union Square: 14th Street/6th Avenue 
  • 8th Street-NYU: West 4th Street 
  • Prince Street: Broadway Lafayette Street 
  • Canal Street: Transfer to the (B)(D) at Broadway-Lafayette Street for service to nearby Grand Street.
  • City Hall: Transfer at Essex Street for (J) service to Chambers Street
  • Cortlandt Street: Transfer at Essex Street for (J) service to Fulton Street 
  • Rector Street: Transfer at Essex Street for (J) service to Broadway Street 
  • Whitehall Street: Transfer at Essex Street for (J) service to Broad Street

For Lexington Avenue express service, an alternative is to transfer at Lexington Avenue-63rd Street for express (Q) service.

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1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

28th Street: 34th Street-Herlad Square 

I’ve walked that. Not too bad.

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:
  • 14th Street-Union Square: 14th Street/6th Avenue 
  • 8th Street-NYU: West 4th Street 

This is 2 avenue blocks away. I’d rather take the (L) across 14 Street if I’m trying to get across there.

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Canal Street: Transfer to the (B)(D) at Broadway-Lafayette Street for service to nearby Grand Street.

I’d rather have a connection with the (6) at Broadway–Lafayette Street. I use that often rather than walking if weather isn’t that great. On cold mornings when I’m full of energy and not carrying anything, I sprint.

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Lexington Avenue-59th Street: Lexington Avenue-63rd Street

If the elevators/ecalators are down… the stairs are a nightmare. They easily add an avenue block distance of walking just to get between the platform and the surface. That the Lexington Avenue–63 Street station is usable only on the condition that the elevators/escalators are functioning is the single factor that makes me opposed to deep-bored stations.

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Queens Plaza: 21st Street-Queensbridge

I’ve never walked this distance, but the stations are probably more than 2 avenue blocks apart. It’s easily 1 local station worth of distance away.

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1 hour ago, CenSin said:

If the elevators/escalators are down… the stairs are a nightmare. They easily add an avenue block distance of walking just to get between the platform and the surface. That the Lexington Avenue–63 Street station is usable only on the condition that the elevators/escalators are functioning is the single factor that makes me opposed to deep-bored stations.

THIS.  What I still can't get over is how (MTA) took the already-built provisions for the eastern exit at Third Avenue and destroyed them to make 3rd/63rd elevator only.  Since opening, there's been a few times when more than one of those elevators was out of service; makes trying to get to or from the platform a nightmare.  Time spent waiting could've been spent taking the escalators or the stairs... oh wait that's right, they f**king demolished them...

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51 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

THIS.  What I still can't get over is how (MTA) took the already-built provisions for the eastern exit at Third Avenue and destroyed them to make 3rd/63rd elevator only.  Since opening, there's been a few times when more than one of those elevators was out of service; makes trying to get to or from the platform a nightmare.  Time spent waiting could've been spent taking the escalators or the stairs... oh wait that's right, they f**king demolished them...

Lexington Avenue proper is not that far away. I'd be more concerned about accessibility there.

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