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It's still intact. I just thought I would extend the (6) to NJ south of the City Hall loop instead of the (7), but then I forgot about the costs to extend the (6) to the Manhattan Hudson shoreline in the first place.

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Two ideas.

 

1. The (8), running local from Brooklyn Bridge to 125th St, then running with the (5), express from 149 St - Grand Concourse to East 180th St and then to Nereid Av from there, allowing the (5) to consistently run to Eastchester. Runs 5 AM - 10 PM weekdays only. Runs R142s.

 

2. Hudson St - 9th Av - Columbus Av Local to 125th St at Park Av. White (9) bullet, runs R142As and R188s.

 

Stops/Transfers:

Chambers St (A)(C)(E)(2)(3)

North Moore St

Canal St

West Houston St

Christopher St (PATH)

11th St

14th St-9th Av

23rd St

28th St

34th St

42nd St-Port Authority

49th St

58th St

65th St-Lincoln Center (1)

72nd St

81st St

86th St

96th St

105th St

110th St-8th Av (:((C)

116th St-Lenox Av (2)(3)

120th St-Madison Av

125th St-Park Av (4)(5)(6)

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(15) train route serving R142 or A's stopping at:

 

(Southbound to Northbound):

 

Queens:

 

1.) Rockaway Park- Beach 116th Street- (A)(S)

2.) Beach 123rd Street- Rockaway Beach Blvd

3.) Beach 131st Street- Rockaway Beach Blvd

4.) Beach 142nd Street- Rockaway Beach Blvd

5.) Beach 149th Street- Rockaway Beach Blvd

6.) Beach Channel Drive- Marine Parkway Bridge

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Brooklyn:

 

7.) Maine Park/Floyd Benett Field- Flatbush Avenue

8.) Avenue U/Kings Plaza- Flatbush Avenue

9.) Quentin Road- Flatbush Avenue

10.) Kings Highway/Flatlands- Flatbush Avenue

11.) Avenue J- Flatbush Avenue

12.) Nostrand Avenue/Brooklyn College- Flatbush Avenue- (2)(5)

13.) Foster/Bedford Avenues- Flatbush Avenue

14.) Beverley/Cortelyou Roads- Flatbush Avenue

15.) Linden Boulevard/Caton Avenue- Flatbush Avenue

16.) Prospect Park- Flatbush Avenue- (:((Q)(S)

17.) Eastern Parkway/Brooklyn Museum- (2)(3)

18.) Grand Army Plaza- Flatbush Avenue- (2)(3)

19.) 4th Avenue- Saint Mark's Place

20.) Hoyt Street- Wyckoff Street

21.) Congress Street- Henry Street

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Manhattan:

 

22.) Battery Place- West Street

23.) South End Avenue- Rector Park

24.) Barclay Street- West Street

25.) Harrison Street- West Street

26.) Canal Street- West Street

27.) Houston Street- West Street

28.) West 11th Street- West Street

29.) 14th Street- West Street

30.) 23rd Street/Chelsea Piers- 11th Avenue

31.) 34th Street- 11th Avenue

32.) 42nd Street- 11th Avenue

33.) 57th Street- 11th Avenue

32.) 72nd Street- West End Avenue

33.) 79th Street- West End Avenue

34.) 86th Street- West End Avenue

35.) 96th Street- West End Avenue

36.) Cathedral Parkway/110th Street- Broadway- (1)

37.) Broadway-116th Street/Columbia University- (1)

38.) 8th Avenue- 116th Street- (:)(C)

39.) Lenox Avenue- 116th Street- (2)(3)

40.) 118th Street- Madison Avenue

41.) 125th Street- Madison Avenue

42.) 135th Street- Madison Avenue

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1. The (8), running local from Brooklyn Bridge to 125th St, then running with the (5), express from 149 St - Grand Concourse to East 180th St and then to Nereid Av from there, allowing the (5) to consistently run to Eastchester. Runs 5 AM - 10 PM weekdays only. Runs R142s.

 

That would not work because the (4)(5)(8) would not all fit in one tunnel.

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That would not work because the (4)(5)(8) would not all fit in one tunnel.

 

Well it's actually possible, because they are basically changing Nereid Av-bound trains/trains leaving Nereid designated as (5)s to (8) and running them local with the (6) in Manhattan, and express from 180-149. It'd theoretically be the same amount of trains on the WPR line. The schedule would have to be worked at, to run smoothly with the current <5> between 180th & 3 Av as well as the (6) in Manh, but it's not impossible.

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(H) 2nd Avenue-Utica Avenue Express

Bronx

Throggs Neck-Harding Av

Sampson Av

Randall Av

Balcom Av

Castle Hill Av

White Plains Rd

Rosedale-Soundview Aves

Boynton Av

Hunts Point Av

Prospect Av

Third Avenue-163 Street

East 156th Street

Third Avenue-149 Street Transfer to (2), (5)

Third Avenue-138 Street Transfer to (6), <6>

 

Manhattan

116th Street

U.N-42nd Street

Houston Street Transfer to (F)

Avenue C-Houston Street

Brooklyn

South 4th Street

Myrtle Avenue-Broadway Transfer to (J),(M),(Z)

Fulton Street- Utica Avenue Transfer to (A), (C)

Eastern Parkway-Utica Avenue Transfer to (3),(4)

Kings Plaza-Flatbush Avenue

 

Queens

B169 St - Fort Tilden

B147 St - Jacob Riis Park

B135 St

B125 St

Merge with Rockaway Park (S)

B116 St

B105 St

B98 St

B90 St

Merge with Far Rockaway (A)

B67 St

B60 St

B44 St

B36 St

Mott Avenue-Far Rockaway

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(H) 2nd Avenue-Utica Avenue Express

Bronx

Throggs Neck-Harding Av

Sampson Av

Randall Av

Balcom Av

Castle Hill Av

White Plains Rd

Rosedale-Soundview Aves

Boynton Av

Hunts Point Av

Prospect Av

Third Avenue-163 Street

East 156th Street

Third Avenue-149 Street Transfer to (2), (5)

Third Avenue-138 Street Transfer to (6), <6>

 

Manhattan

116th Street

U.N-42nd Street

Houston Street Transfer to (F)

Avenue C-Houston Street

Brooklyn

South 4th Street

Myrtle Avenue-Broadway Transfer to (J),(M),(Z)

Fulton Street- Utica Avenue Transfer to (A), (C)

Eastern Parkway-Utica Avenue Transfer to (3),(4)

Kings Plaza-Flatbush Avenue

 

Queens

B169 St - Fort Tilden

B147 St - Jacob Riis Park

B135 St

B125 St

Merge with Rockaway Park (S)

B116 St

B105 St

B98 St

B90 St

Merge with Far Rockaway (A)

B67 St

B60 St

B44 St

B36 St

Mott Avenue-Far Rockaway

 

Those are some mighty fast jaunts through Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Also, I know it's sort of beating a dead horse, but Rockaways/Breezy Point riders don't really need service past Beach 116th St.

Also also, your four Manhattan stops are pretty confusing. E 116th St, 42nd St, either Broadway-Lafayette or LES-2 Av, then West Houston and Av C? Some local service is cool too.

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Those are some mighty fast jaunts through Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Also, I know it's sort of beating a dead horse, but Rockaways/Breezy Point riders don't really need service past Beach 116th St.

Also also, your four Manhattan stops are pretty confusing. E 116th St, 42nd St, either Broadway-Lafayette or LES-2 Av, then West Houston and Av C? Some local service is cool too.

 

It's true that they don't need service past B116th Street, but it gives them an alternative to the A and access to the east side. The Q,T will provide local service in Manhattan. Houston St-2nd Avenue is LES 2nd Ave and 116th St is E116th St.

 

Here's the local service for Brooklyn:

 

(K),<K> 2nd Avenue Express

 

Bronx (Peak Direction Express Stops in Bold)

Bay Plaza- Co-op City Blvd

Tiemann Av-Bartow Av

Gun Hill Av- Seymour Av

Boston Rd

Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd- Burke Av Transfer to (D)

Split from (D) via Webster Av

East 204 St

Bedford Park Avenue-Botanical Gardens Terminal for (K) during Rush Hours

Fordham Plaza

182-183 Sts

Tremont Avenue

174th St

Claremont Pkwy

168th St

Third Av-163rd St

Merge with (H)

East 156th St

Third Avenue-149th St Transfer to (2),(5)

Third Avenue-138th St Transfer to (6), <6>

 

Manhattan

East 116th Street Transfer to (Q)(T)

U.N -42nd Street Transfer to (T)(4)(5)(6)(7)(S)

LES-2nd Av/Houston St (F)(T)(H)

Avenue C-Houston St (H)

 

Brooklyn Express Stops are Bolded H Stops on those stops

South 4th Street

Union Av

Flushing Av

Myrtle Av-Broadway (J)(M)(Z)

Lafayette Av

Halsey St

Fulton St-Utica Av (A)(C)

Eastern Pkwy-Utica Av(3)(4)

Lefferts Av

Linden Blvd

Clarendon Rd

Foster Av

Kings Hwy

Flatlands Av

Avenue N

Kings Plaza-Flatbush Av

Split from H

Gerristen Av

Avenue W-Nostrand Av Transfer to (2)(5)

Sheepshead Bay-Voorheis Av

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i wouldnt create a whole new entire route, but i would do some minor changes:

 

Blue (M):

Blue (M) runs from Metropolitan Av to Washington Hts-168 St via 8 Av/CPW Local daily.

Stops are:

between Metropolitan Av and Essex St, then:

Broadway-Lafayette

West 4 St-8 Av

14 St-8 Av

23 St-8 Av

34 St-Penn Station

42 St-PABT-Times Sq

50 St-8 Av

59 St-Columbus Circle

then all former (C) stops to/from 168 St.

Late Night Blue (M) remains unchanged.

 

Orange (C):

Orange (C) runs from Euclid Av to Forest Hills via Fulton St/6 Av/53 St/Qns Blvd Local, daily.

 

Stops are:

between Euclid Av and West 4 St, then:

14 St-6 Av

23 St-6 Av

34 St-Herald Sq

42 St-Bryant Pk

47-50 Sts/Rockefeller Center

5 Av-53 St

Lex Av-53 St

Queens Plaza

36 St

then all former (M) stops to and from Forest Hills.

Late Night orange (C) remains unchanged.

 

 

(N)(Q) switch places:

(Q):

Daily (Q) runs from Coney Island-Stillwell Av and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Brighton/Broadway Local via Bridge.

 

Late Night (Q) runs from Coney Island-Stillwell Av and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Brighton/Broadway Local via Lower Manhattan, replacing the (R).

 

(N):

Weekday (N) runs from Coney Island-Stillwell Av and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd weekdays via Sea Beach/Broadway Exp via Bridge.

 

Weekend (N) service runs between Coney Island-Stillwell Av and 57 St-7 Av via Sea Beach/Broadway Express via Bridge.

 

Late night (N) runs via 4 Av Local from 59 St and DeKalb Av, replacing the (R), then via the Bridge/Broadway Exp to 57 St-7 Av.

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(K) And <K> Via 2nd Ave To Gun Hill Road (2)(5)<5> Connected With (T) extended to 9th ave on (D) train To Gun Hill rd-Seymour Ave Connecting To The (5)<5> Then Proceeds into the Westchester Yard And Makes (6)<6> Runs To Pelham Bay Or Brooklyn Bridge Or Bowling Green

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i wouldnt create a whole new entire route, but i would do some minor changes:

 

Blue (M):

Blue (M) runs from Metropolitan Av to Washington Hts-168 St via 8 Av/CPW Local daily.

Stops are:

between Metropolitan Av and Essex St, then:

Broadway-Lafayette

West 4 St-8 Av

14 St-8 Av

23 St-8 Av

34 St-Penn Station

42 St-PABT-Times Sq

50 St-8 Av

59 St-Columbus Circle

then all former (C) stops to/from 168 St.

Late Night Blue (M) remains unchanged.

 

Orange (C):

Orange (C) runs from Euclid Av to Forest Hills via Fulton St/6 Av/53 St/Qns Blvd Local, daily.

 

Stops are:

between Euclid Av and West 4 St, then:

14 St-6 Av

23 St-6 Av

34 St-Herald Sq

42 St-Bryant Pk

47-50 Sts/Rockefeller Center

5 Av-53 St

Lex Av-53 St

Queens Plaza

36 St

then all former (M) stops to and from Forest Hills.

Late Night orange (C) remains unchanged.

 

 

I understand the routing...but why?

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I understand the routing...but why?

 

the (M) going from Queens, thru Brooklyn, thru Manhattan, then back into Queens?....i find it werd. even tho its convenient, but, it looks weird like that.

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Would it be possible to extend the (M) from Middle Village-Metropolitan Avenue to Forest Hills-71st Avenue-Continental Avenue creating a weekdays (M) loop and a new weekend service?

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I'll stick with what's physically realistic and say…

  • (N): Astoria/Coney Island; Broadway Express, via Manhattan Bridge, 4 Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local
  • <Q>: Midtown/Coney Island; Broadway Express, via Manhattan Bridge, Brighton Express; this'll get me to Manhattan a hell lot faster than any other line

 

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(H) Brooklyn local-Queens express-Bronx local

 

------brooklyn------

 

coney island/stillwell avenue (H)(Q)(D)(F)(N)

west 8th street (F)(Q)

ocean parkway (Q)

brighton beach (Q)(B)

west end avenue

kingsborough college

shore parkway/emons avenue

avenue u/36th street

flatbush avenue

mill avenue

bergen beach

flatlands avenue/ralph avenue

remsen avenue

rockaway parkway/carnarsie (L)

105th street (L)

linden blvd

new lots/livonia yards (3)

sutter avenue/eldert lane

 

------queens------

 

grant avenue (A)

80th street (A)

rockaway blvd (A)

atlantic avenue

111th street (J)(Z)

union turnpike (F)(E)

long island expressway

main street flushing (7)

20th avenue

whitestone bridge/3rd avenue

 

------bronx-------

 

bruckner expressway

buhre avenue (6)

pelham bay park (6)

bay plaza shopping center

co op city blvd

boston road

dyre avenue (5)

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Sorry for the bump but I had to post it.

 

14th St (S). To serve the E Village. Color Gray.

1. 8th Av

2. 6th Av

3. Union Sq

Skips 3rd Av

4. 1st Av

Turns off (L) Tracks

5. Ave B

Turns on Ave B

6. 6th St

7. Houston St

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Sorry for the bump but I had to post it.

 

14th St (S). To serve the E Village. Color Gray.

1. 8th Av

2. 6th Av

3. Union Sq

Skips 3rd Av

4. 1st Av

Turns off (L) Tracks

5. Ave B

Turns on Ave B

6. 6th St

7. Houston St

 

For a shuttle on Ave B, you could keep it tighter for better stops. After 14th and B, how about

10th St

7th St

4th St

Houston St

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If the (MTA) ever construts the SAS, they should have it connect with the (J)(Z) just before Canal Street and have them run together. I will have the track map coming up in a few days.

 

I noticed service missing in the following areas (in red):

NYCTSubwaymap-Copy.gif

 

I will make some fictional routes tomorrow, I need to go to bed now lol.

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heres my SAS if it goes to the Bronx

 

Bronx

Heres my Proposed Stations

 

138 Street- Grand Concourse

3 Av- 138 St Transfer to

149 Street /3 Avenue Transfer to

156 Street/3 Avenue

163 Street/ 3 Avenue

Prospect Avenue/ Boston Road

Southern Boulevard/Boston Road Transfer to at 174 St

Cross Bronx Expressway/174 Street

Harrod Avenue/174 Street

Rosedale Avenue/174 Street

White Plains Road/Wood Av (Build with Exits to Metropolitan Av by Macys and Starbucks)

Castle Hill Av/Metropolitan Av

East Tretmont Av/Silver St

Waters Place/Eastchester Road

Morris Park Av/Eastchester Road

Pelham Parkway/Eastchester Road

Allerton Avenue/Eastchester Road

Gun Hill Road/ Eastchester Road

222 Street/ Eastchester Road

233 Street/Eastchester Road

Nereid Avenue/Eastchester Road

 

Manhattan

135 Street/Madison Avenue

(T) from 125 St-Hanover Sq

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Hmm interesting topic, I wonder which one will I create ;)

 

Line: Extension of the (L)

Streets that it goes under: 11th/Went End Avenue

 

Stations:

11/West End Avenue

96 Street: (1)(2)(3)

86 Street

80 Street

72 Street: Passageway to (1)(2)(3)

59 Street

50 Street

42 Street

34 Street

23 Street

14 Street-Chelsea Piers

 

11th Avenue is too close to the river for that to work. I would do this as a 10th Avenue line extension of the (L), with after 8th Avenue-14th Street the line going in a north-northwest direction before reaching the first 10th Avenue stop, 21st-23rd Streets, with 31st-33rd Streets-10th Avenue (straight shot walk from either exit to the by-then open Moynahan Station, possibly with a direct underground entrance) the next stop. I would have no 50th Street stop, but have one at 65th-66th/Amsterdam before a terminal at 72nd Street under the (1)/(2)/(3) OR perhaps a terminal at 96th/Amsterdam (which is on considerably higher ground than West End Avenue at 96th) with a walkway to the steps that had been used as part of the old (1)/(2)/(3) track access on the north end before the current entrance replaced that for a transfer from the (L).

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Brooklyn Express Stops are Bolded H Stops on those stops

South 4th Street

Union Av

Flushing Av

Myrtle Av-Broadway (J)(M)(Z)

Lafayette Av

Halsey St

Fulton St-Utica Av (A)(C)

Eastern Pkwy-Utica Av(3)(4)

Lefferts Av

Linden Blvd

Clarendon Rd

Foster Av

Kings Hwy

Flatlands Av

Avenue N

Kings Plaza-Flatbush Av

Split from H

Gerristen Av

Avenue W-Nostrand Av Transfer to (2)(5)

Sheepshead Bay-Voorheis Av

 

Some of your stops on Utica Ave puzzle me. How about this?

 

Fulton St-Utica Av (A)(C)

Eastern Pkwy-Utica Av(3)(4)

Lefferts Av

Winthrop St

Church Ave

Avenue D

Kings Hwy/Avenue H

Flatlands Av

Avenue N

Kings Plaza-Flatbush Av

 

So for the most part, it mirrors the B46 LTD.

 

And for 2nd Ave Subway service to the Bronx in general, I would add a seperate stop at 2nd Ave and 125th St. Pretty silly that service to/from the Bronx would go straight from 138th St to 116th St. And I already detailed my plans for a 125th St crosstown route.

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I got a new one.

 

The Teal (V)

 

Second Av Express

6th Av Local

Second Av Express

 

1. Hanover Sq (T) (U)

2. Grand St (;)(D)(T) (U)

3. Houston St (T) (U) (F)

Via (F) Until Rock Center

Via (E) Until Lex

Turns Onto 2nd Av

4. 55th St (T)(E) (BV) (6) (11)

5. 86th St (Q)(T) (U) (4)(5)(6) (11) (14)

6. 116 St (Q)(T) (U)

7. 125th St (Q)(T) (U) (S)(4)(5)(6) (8) (11) (14)

 

(AF)

 

8th Av Express

Culver Local

 

Runs with (A) From Inwood to Jay St Metro Tech

Runs with (F) and (G) To Coney Island

Edited by jimmy7train

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Just curious: Why East 6th Street and not East 8th Street?

Sorry for the bump but I had to post it.

 

14th St (S). To serve the E Village. Color Gray.

1. 8th Av

2. 6th Av

3. Union Sq

Skips 3rd Av

4. 1st Av

Turns off (L) Tracks

5. Ave B

Turns on Ave B

6. 6th St

7. Houston St

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