R160 Posted July 4, 2011 Share #151 Posted July 4, 2011 No to the Woodhaven Part because it's not busy enough to be considered an express stop That's not true at all. There's 2 malls within walking distances, several schools, businesses, and bus routes. Also, wasn't it originally planned to be an express stop? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman1455 Posted July 4, 2011 Share #152 Posted July 4, 2011 That's not true at all. There's 2 malls within walking distances, several schools, businesses, and bus routes. Also, wasn't it originally planned to be an express stop? If the ridership was there they would do it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 4, 2011 Share #153 Posted July 4, 2011 That's not true at all. There's 2 malls within walking distances, several schools, businesses, and bus routes. Also, wasn't it originally planned to be an express stop? If there was a Queens blvd super express, it could be possible to have the super express outside the current station [similar to the layout of DeKalb]. The normal express would just skip that station as normal. Speaking of station reconfigurations, 161st on the should've been an express stop. One since it's the last stop before Manhattan and two, it's a major stop where a train could be layed up in the center track and turn back without obstructing traffic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Vaudeville Posted July 4, 2011 Share #154 Posted July 4, 2011 If the ridership was there they would do it... Thank you. As someone who takes the Queens Blvd daily, I cannot stress that people grossly overestimate the population that uses Woodhaven Blvd. Now I know some of y'all are just gonna hit up the numbers and stats, but I'm going to ignore all that and tell you to have a nice day. While Woodhaven serves a large population, if anyone would care to realize, Grand Avenue actually serves a similarly-sized crowd. Why don't I hear anyone crying for a Grand Av Express stop? Oh, it's not right in the middle of a nice express stretch! Oh, it doesn't serve two large shopping malls! Oh, it's not the transfer point for 87 busses! Yeah ok Look, Woodhaven sees its crowds but its not like people are struggling to fit on the or and consistently having to wait for the next train. It's not like people are falling off the platform, either. Weekend service isn't that bad, trust me. Don't get fooled because adjacent stations don't have that many people waiting on the platform. Or is it because y'all think the shopping bags count as riders... Furthermore, Woodhaven is like 74th, in that if you convert it into an express stop, the would be much more crowded, experience much more delays, and the I would seriously doubt the usefulness/efficiency of the Queens Blvd Express anymore. Why would you interrupt an express stretch? The usually overtake the locals at/near Woodhaven -- that's where it reaches peak speeds. I think some of you need to actually ride the system before making judgment calls. I definitely would not let Woodhaven become an express station. Feel free to reply with an opposing opinion -- I'd like to hear what you think. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 4, 2011 Share #155 Posted July 4, 2011 They ride the system a lot, they just think every decent ridership station should have connections to express service, as if that mall was there before the tracks were laid out. Northbound, trains sail thru at about 46, the fastest stretch in that direction before starting to climb uphill. Southbound its in the northern blvd cut. Similarly, 161 yankee stadium the neighborhood was not what it was now when the tracks were laid there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoking66 Posted July 4, 2011 Share #156 Posted July 4, 2011 The Woodhaven and 74th Street debate reminds me of an older argument of a similar nature: why is 59th Street/Columbus Circle not an express? Simply, it's that, at the time that the line was designed and built, planners didn't consider the same stations to be as important as well as trying to even out station spacing. Further, until the construction of the Eighth Avenue Line, 59th had no connections, and as such wasn't as particularly important as it is now, just like 74th upon the opening of the Queens Boulevard Line. If the MTA went through with its plan to switch 59th and 72nd, we'd be left with an incredibly long express service between 59th and 96th (almost two miles) that would be ineffective at servicing the Upper West Side. On the subject of Woodhaven, I believe that the station placement on both the Flushing and Queens Boulevard Lines had something to do with LIRR connections; note that Woodside and Forest Hills both had commuter rail stations and were therefore more important at the time of the building of their respective subways. The building of an express station at Roosevelt was a means by which the IND could capture Midtown-bound riders from the IRT as well as the fact that Roosevelt was and still is more of an important artery than Woodhaven, having been developed due to the earlier construction of the Flushing Line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Vaudeville Posted July 4, 2011 Share #157 Posted July 4, 2011 Like geoking66 stated, Woodside and Forest Hills developed before Rego Park and Elmhurst, and like TwoTimer said, the tracks were laid before the malls were built. Woodhaven's actually a pretty efficient station as a local: it gets a good amount of ridership without being overly congested so as to disrupt train service. Leave it as be. :tup: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted July 4, 2011 Share #158 Posted July 4, 2011 The modern day evolution is this (for the IRT): (Past) Canal St was there before anything going over the Manny B. With all those BMT lines in there, its still a local station and it will remain that way. All because the BMT expresses stop there doesn't mean the IRT expresses should stop there too. (present) Bleecker St was there before the IND showed up downstairs running along Houston. In fact the station was extended in the opposite direction southbound to make way for a connection to the IND. When they finish up the northbound connection (I guess next year) that station as well will have an uptick in ridership, but by no means does it justify "oh now it should be an express station in the IRT because of all that IND service connecting downstairs". Granted, in both examples the has a much shorter headway then any of the other arguments around the system. That's another erroneous railfan belief that express services must connect with express services wherever they stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted July 4, 2011 Share #159 Posted July 4, 2011 The Woodhaven and 74th Street debate reminds me of an older argument of a similar nature: why is 59th Street/Columbus Circle not an express? Simply, it's that, at the time that the line was designed and built, planners didn't consider the same stations to be as important as well as trying to even out station spacing. Further, until the construction of the Eighth Avenue Line, 59th had no connections, and as such wasn't as particularly important as it is now, just like 74th upon the opening of the Queens Boulevard Line. If the MTA went through with its plan to switch 59th and 72nd, we'd be left with an incredibly long express service between 59th and 96th (almost two miles) that would be ineffective at servicing the Upper West Side. The train is already crush loaded during rush hour, service is fairly frequent, and the IRT express pwns. 59 Street should remain a local stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted July 5, 2011 Share #160 Posted July 5, 2011 Some of your stops on Utica Ave puzzle me. How about this? Fulton St-Utica Av Eastern Pkwy-Utica Av Lefferts Av Winthrop St Church Ave Avenue D Kings Hwy/Avenue H Flatlands Av Avenue N Kings Plaza-Flatbush Av So for the most part, it mirrors the B46 LTD. And for 2nd Ave Subway service to the Bronx in general, I would add a seperate stop at 2nd Ave and 125th St. Pretty silly that service to/from the Bronx would go straight from 138th St to 116th St. And I already detailed my plans for a 125th St crosstown route. That's actually better. I didn't know the B46 ran limited. I made so many stops because people wouldn't want to walk that far. This is how much I know about Brooklyn. It is better to have less stops anyway. As for 125th street, there's no stop because the has no stop planned for 125th street and 2nd Avenue. Also the T connects to the Q60, , , and Metro North. Also, the new gateway mall is on E116th St and FDR so it makes sense to have all trains stop near a shopping center. 125th st and 2nd is not as populated as 116th st (except for the northern part of Wagner Houses). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted July 5, 2011 Share #161 Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Ladies and Gents I present my (U), ]and (X) Part 1 (U) Local (X) Express Local Express (U)(X) The Cloisters-Broadway/Dyckman St Nagle Av/ Dyckman St Then go down Dyckman pass FDR and turn left to Tremont Av pass Metro North Bronx Morris Heights Sedgwick-Cedar Avs/ W Tremont Av Metro North University Av/ W Tremont Av Jerome Av/ W Tremont Av With Metrocard at Burnside Av Grand Concourse/E Tremont Av ( Valentine-Webster Avs/E Tremont Av Metro North 3 Avenue/E Tremont Av Crotona Av/E Tremont Av Southern Blvd/E Tremont Av West Farms Square-Boston Road/E Tremont Av Rosedale Av-E 180 St/E Tremont Av White Plains-Unionport Rds/E Tremont Av Bronxdale-Castle Hill Avs/E Tremont Av Silver St/E Tremont Av Westchester Av/E Tremont Av Waterbury Av/E Tremont Av Bruckner Blvd/ E Tremont Av Lafayette Av/E Tremont Av Randall Av/E Tremont Av Throgs Neck Blvd-E 177 St/E Tremont Av Then Go through river and reach Totten St Queens (U) and (X) split (X) goes through Bell Blvd Willets Point- Bell Blvds/Utopia Pkwy (U) and <U>Rush hour Peak Direction Francis Lewis Blvd/Utopia Pkwy 39 AV/Utopia Pkwy L.I.R.R on 192 St Northern Blvd/Utopia Pkwy Hollis Ct Blvd/Utopia Pkwy Underhill Av/Utopia Pkwy Booth Memorial Av/Utopia Pkwy Jewel-73 Avs/Utopia Pkwy Union Turnpike/Utopia Pkwy Hillside Av/Edgerton Blvd-178 St(F) Liberty Av]/Dunkirk St Murdock Av/Dunkirk St St Albans Baisley-Linden Blvds/Farmers Blvd L.I.R.R Merrick Blvd/Farmers Blvd 137 Av/Farmers Blvd Guy R Brewer Blvd/Farmer Blvd Rockaway Blvd- JFK Airport TERMINAL (X)<X>Rush Hour Peak Direction Utopia Pkwy /Bell Blvd (U)<U> 212 St/Bell Blvd 23-26 Avs/Bell Blvd 35 Ave/Bell Blvd Bayside-Northern Blvd/Bell Blvd L.I.R.R on 42 Av 48 Ave/Bell Blvd 56 Ave/Bell Blvd 73 Ave/Bell Blvd Union Turnpike/Bell blvd 86 Ave/Bell blvd Springfield Blvd-Hillside Av/Braddock Av Winchester Blvd-222 St/Braddock Av Gettysburg St/Braddock Av 243 St/Braddock Av Mass-Commonwealth Blvds/Jericho Blvd Floral Park Atlantic Av/Tulip Av L.I.R.R Note: i may be out of Queens for some stations please help me edit if necessary Edited July 6, 2011 by subwaykid256 cutting stops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted July 6, 2011 Share #162 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Part 2 of (U)(X) and Introducing Magenta V Manhattan (X) South Ferry State-Water Sts TERMINAL Coenties Slip/Pearl-Water Sts Wall St/Pearl St Comes from Brooklyn via Maiden Lane and Water St Fulton St-South Street Seaport/Pearl St With Metrocard A,C,E,J,R,W,Z,2,3,4,5 PATH Chatham Square/Bowery Delancey-Grand Sts/Bowery ( Houston St/Bowery Cooper Square-St Marks Pl 14 Street/3 Avenue 23 Street 28 Street 34 Street Grand Central 42 St/3 Avenue 53 St/3 Avenue ,T(M),6 63 St/3 Avenue F,®T,4,5,6 72 St 79 St 86 St 96 St 106 St/3 Avenue 116 St/3 Avenue Lexington Av-125 St 4,5,6 (U) Terminates Here Lenox Av/125 St 135 St/Adam Clayton Powell Blvd-7 Av Fredrick Douglass Blvd-8th Av/140 St 145 St/Edgecombe Av ( Terminates Here 155 St/Edgecombe Av W 164 St/Edgecombe Av Amsterdam Av/170 St St Nicholas Av/170 St 181 Street/Broadway Broadway-Nagle Av Edited July 6, 2011 by subwaykid256 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted July 6, 2011 Share #163 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) Brooklyn Stations Enters via Orange St turns on Henry St Pineapple-Orange Sts/Henry St on Clark St with Metrocard Court-Montague Sts/Henry Street Atlantic Av/Henry St Columbia-Congress Sts Degraw St/Columbia St Woodhull St/Columbia St Lorraine St/Columbia St Clinton St/Bay St 4 Avenue/14 Street with Metrocard At Prospect Av 7 Avenue/14 Street Prospect Park West/14-15 Sts Greenwood Av/Prospect Park Southwest Prospect Av-E 5 St/Fort Hamilton Pkwy McDonald-Caton Avs/Fort Hamilton Pkwy 39 St/Fort Hamilton Pkwy New Utrecht Av/Fort Hamilton Pkwy 53 St/Fort Hamilton Pkwy 62 St/Fort Hamilton Pkwy Bay Ridge Av/Fort Hamilton Pkwy Bay Ridge Pkwy/Fort Hamilton Pkwy 86 St-7 Av Dyker Hts-13 Avenue/86 Street Cropsey Av Bath Av/14 Avenue 18 Av/Cropsey Av 20 Av/ Cropsey Av Bay Pkwy/Cropsey Av 25 Av/Cropsey Av Avenue Z/Cropsey Av Neptune Av/W 17 St turn left on Mermaid Av-Then Right on Stillwell Av Coney Island Stillwell Avenue ((N)/Surf Avenue TERMINAL (U) Crosstowm Local From 125 Street Manhattan To Rockaway Blvd Queens Late nights Service From Willets Point-Bell Blvds Queens to Rockaway Blvd <U> Crosstown Express AM rush Hours To Manhattan PM Rush Hours From Manhattan 3 Avenue Local From Harlem 145 Street Manhattan, To Dyker Heights 13 Avenue Brooklyn RUNS ALL TIMES (X) 3 Avenue Express From Floral Park Atlantic Av Queens to South Ferry Water-State Sts Manhattan Late Night: Local in Harlem,Washington Heights and Bronx Crospey Av Shuttle From Dyker Heights 13 Av Brooklyn to Coney Island Stillwell Av Brooklyn ALL TIMES Edited July 6, 2011 by subwaykid256 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 6, 2011 Share #164 Posted July 6, 2011 An < R > This yellow diamond will just run express on the entire route. A (13) This route will run Lexington Ave Express Bowling Green Wall St Fulton Street Brooklyn Bridge 14th St 42nd St 59th St 86th St 125th St 149th St Yankee Stadium This route will run R188's. Uses existing trackage which means a low building cost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted July 6, 2011 Share #165 Posted July 6, 2011 Here's a that's supremely extended on both sides. This alignment will serve Brooklyn crosstown, Red Hook, 2nd Ave, and 3rd Ave in the Bronx. Starting from the Brooklyn side: Canarsie Remsen Ave/Foster Ave Ralph Ave/Foster Ave Kings Hwy/Foster Ave Albany Ave/Ave H Nostrand Ave Ocean Ave ( Coney Island Ave McDonald Ave 17th Ave New Utrecht Ave (connects to N for express service) Fort Hamilton Pkwy 8th Ave 59th St 36th St (splits to prepare to turn into Red Hook) 20th St/5th Ave 14th St/3rd Ave Clinton St/Lorraine St Richards St/Wolcott St Delavan St/Van Brunt St President St/Columbus St Atlantic Ave/Columbus St Clark St/Hicks St Seaport Chatham Sq Grand St ( Houston St 14th St 23rd St 34th St 42nd St 55th St 72nd St interlining to 116th 79th St 86th St 96th St 103rd St 110th St 116th St 125th St 138th St 149th St 163rd St Claremont Pkwy Tremont Ave 182nd St Fordham Rd (line moves to Webster Ave) Bedford Park Blvd 205th St Gun Hill Rd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted July 7, 2011 Share #166 Posted July 7, 2011 My revived version of the old on a rebuild of the Myrtle Avenue El that would be a new train, with some of the older stations not coming back because these stations would be built for 600' trains, including a rebuilt upper level of Myrtle Avenue-Broadway and the existing portion of where it shares with the : Running the existing route to Myrtle Avenue-Upper Level (transfer at Myrtle for the (J)/(Z)), and because of that, the shuttle on nights and weekends no longer runs. Sumner Avenue Nostrand Avenue Franklin Avenue Washington Avenue Navy Street Line then goes into a tunnel and joins the Montauge Street line, starting with Jay Street-Metrotech (A)/©/(F)/® and Court Street (2)/(3)/(4)/(5) before heading to Manhattan, terminating nights and weekends at Whitehall Street All Times, nights/® other times. On weekdays, the line takes it's old route to Astoria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 8, 2011 Share #167 Posted July 8, 2011 The RT. This train will run the regular route until 57th St-7th Ave. Then it will run with the via SAS until 125th St. The RT only runs during rush hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted July 10, 2011 Share #168 Posted July 10, 2011 Dyre Avenue line: *Bronxdale Av *Allerton Ave *Burke-Givan Avs *Boston Rd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 11, 2011 Share #169 Posted July 11, 2011 I wrote whatever street is nearest where the is on 7th ave. Why is that? Like he said, Avenue S is too close to Avenue U and Kings Highway. 81 street; Central Park west-104 street; T. to the ( 175 street; 81 street; even though I have never been through that line, I feel between 77 street & 86 street is too long. well that's enough for NYC. extra ones would be ridiculous. The is just fine along 4th Avenue. The extra stop at 81st Street would slow it down tremendously (under the current configuration, a person has to walk no more than 4 or 5 blocks to reach a station, which is reasonable) No it doesnt. There are reasons why they made Roosevelt Avenue & Forest Hills express/local stations. You could make that argument against a lot of current local stations, though. You could say that for 96th Street on the (© (not that I think that that particular station should be an express station). The problem is that, even though Woodhaven Blvd is in the middle of an express stretch, that is where the Queens Blvd Express trains travel at their fastest. If the ridership was there they would do it... Not necessarily. It costs money to convert an express station, which they don't have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Broadway Posted July 19, 2011 Share #170 Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Imaginary Colored Hot Pink (Local) (I) Colored Hot Pink (Express) Bronx:Jerome Ave/3rd Ave/ St Ann Ave Queens: Crosstown Brooklyn: Crosstown Manhattan: LES Access Crosstown Staten Island: Double Crosstown (Castleton Ave) (Hydan Blvd) Brooklyn Via Fort Hamilton Pkwy Jerome/Concourse Yard, and Park Slope Yard, and St George Yard. Stoping at *Bronx* *Woodlawn Mouslou Parkway *Bedford Park Blvd(4) OR 205-206 Street(4) Kingsbridge Road(4) OR 198 Street(4) *Fordam Road(4) (Bx12 SBS) 183 Street(4) *Tremount Ave(4) 172 Street(4) *161 Yankee Stadium(B) platform to St Anns Ave-3rd Ave *Westchester Ave 149 Street OOS Xfer @ 3rd Ave 149 St *144 St Saint Mary's 135 Street Brooks Ave Randall's Island *Queens* *Astoria Blvd Steinway Street 30 Ave *46th Street Northern Blvd *Queens Blvd 39th Street Green Point 49th Street *Brooklyn* McGuniess Blvd-G *Naussau Ave Manhattan Ave-G *Manhattan* *Ave C-E8 Street *East Houston Street-FDR Drive *Essex Street Delancy Street *Confucius Plaza Division Street *Pearl Street-South Street Seaport William Street *South Ferry-1 N R *STATEN ISLAND* (SHOCK) Governors Island *St George Ferry Terminal Jersey Street-Brighton Ave *Castleton Ave-Brighton Ave *Richmound University Medical Center Castleton Ave-Broadway *Castleton Ave-Port Richmond Ave Decker Ave-Forest Ave Watchouge Rd-Crystal Ave Victory Blvd-Richmond Blvd Richmond Ave-Travis Ave *Staten Island Mall Arthur Kill Road-Richmond Ave *Armstorng Ave-Arthur Kill Road Giffords Lane-Arthur Kill Road *Clarke Ave-Richmond Road-Arthur Kill Road Lighthouse Ave-Richmond Road Riedel Ave-Richmond Road *New Dorp Lane-Richmond Road *Hydan Blvd-New Dorp Lane Midland Ave-Hydan Blvd *Seaview Ave-Hydan Blvd Reid Ave-Hydan Blvd *Steuben St-Hydan Blvd Fingerboard Ave-Hydan Blvd *Lily Pond Ave-McClean Ave *Brooklyn* *Bay Ridge Pkwy 65 St 60 St 52-53 St *New Utrecht Ave -D 39 St *McDonald Ave OOS XFer to @ Church Ave *Prospect Park A * denotes an Express Stop Edited July 19, 2011 by East Broadway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 19, 2011 Share #171 Posted July 19, 2011 (61) The 61 Via 6 until GC Via 7 until TSQ Via 1 until Van Cortland Park Stops: 1. Bowling Green 2. All 6 stops until Grand Central 3. 5th Ave 4. TSQ 5. All 1 stops until VCP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted July 20, 2011 Share #172 Posted July 20, 2011 (61)The 61 Via 6 until GC Via 7 until TSQ Via 1 until Van Cortland Park Stops: 1. Bowling Green 2. All 6 stops until Grand Central 3. 5th Ave 4. TSQ 5. All 1 stops until VCP That would basically be a revival of the original route, which had what are now the (4)/(5)/(6) going to 33rd and Park, then turning west and stopping on what is now the station at Grand Central, with the locals then stopping at Times Square (which at the time the subway first opened was nothing like it is now, though in retrospect they should have realized that was going to happen and should have made it an express stop) and then via the (1)/(2)/(3) to 96th and after 96th, via the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share #173 Posted July 21, 2011 The New 70(8) Third Avenue Line I.R.T. A Division Station List: Manhattan: East Harlem-Park-Lexington Avenues Transfers: MNRR The Bronx: East 138th Street Transfer: East 143d Street The Hub-East 149th Street Transfers: East 156th Street East 161st Street East 169th Street Claremont Parkway East 174th Street East Tremont Avenue East 180th Street East 183d Street Fordham Plaza Transfer: BX12 SBS Bedford Park Boulevard East 204th Street Williamsbridge-East 210th Street Gun Hill Road Transfers: Yard: Unionport Yard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted August 9, 2011 Share #174 Posted August 9, 2011 sorry to bring this thread up but how about a W Broadway- Laguardia Pl Station 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted August 9, 2011 Share #175 Posted August 9, 2011 According to Stan Fischler in the subway book, Uptown-Downtown - the connection on the downtown side of the Bleecker Street station was an accident during the station lengthening project. The connection was not "on purpose" but rather the result when a wall was broken through. The TA then decided to make a transfer station there, since there were (and remains) few direct IRT and IND transfer stations. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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