My final Subway Line Proposals

[chenvinny54]

Or, reserve the Hudson line for MNR trains, we only use Harlem for and SAS . This is my final decision. Harlem MNR will be operated from Penn Station, going through Queens, then to The Bronx.

[NBTA]

Also, extend the Rockaway Shuttle to Rock Blvd, just like in real life.

[chenvinny54]

Or, I can extend the to rockaway, and Leffert Blvd, as the express service. will extend to Euclid Av for local service. 

Regarding to existing Harlem line, and SAS will be overall terminating at Wakefield together for convenience, (just and peak-hour is not enough to pack a huge amount of riders) and expenditure trip plan for commuters living there, who feels like to go to Manhattan more frequently, without bothering to pay a huge fare to ride with the Metro North railroad, although running super express is part of convenience but still not enough to worth the fare. will be extended to Whitehall street via wall street from Broad St, stopping at Hanover Square, which is a minor street, then serving the huge group sailing from Staten Island to NYC.

[chenvinny54]

Or, I can extend the to rockaway, and Leffert Blvd, as the express service. will extend to Euclid Av for local service. 

Regarding to existing Harlem line, and SAS will be overall terminating at Wakefield together for convenience, (just and peak-hour is not enough to pack a huge amount of riders) and expenditure trip plan for commuters living there, who feels like to go to Manhattan more frequently, without bothering to pay a huge fare to ride with the Metro North railroad, although running super express is part of convenience but still not enough to worth the fare. will be extended to Whitehall street via wall street from Broad St, stopping at Hanover Square, which is a minor street, then serving the huge group sailing from Staten Island to NYC.

Also, in case and peak hour might have a check up due to any future inclement weather, and SAS will be the new alternatives, the existing Harlem MNR railroad can heat itself up during the day of frozen temperature. Waiting for any buses, that drive a group of crowding riders from one line to another is a longer trip although one of the track on one of the A-Division lines @ dense area of Bronx encounter malfunction,

[NBTA]

How about making the map lol, so we can crituqe it.

[chenvinny54]

As you see the line chart on the top right corner, I added one more section, the Bypass Lines, meaning lines that plies via the existing Light Rail tracks (MNR/LIRR), not just on the Heavy rail (Subway). to chamber street is just for alternative in case the operators encounters a problem with the 6 avenue line.

The line of to Staten Island, ignore it, and the word on the line chart says (S.I. CUNY, Staten Island) I save it aside, in case the MTA rail workers asks Union Tpke or any professional officers to extend the to Staten Island, so I don't have to draw it again next time I will edit.

[chenvinny54]

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121024/parkchester/plan-bring-metro-north-trains-east-bronx-faces-long-island-opposition

This is the proposal for metro North, the reason why we will provide bypass line services. The existing mnr tracks not just willing to take the harlem line, also the hudson line.

So we will extend the via the west side track. That means i will get rid of 125 street upper west side crosstown.

Amtrak trains will be using proposed empire line to replace hudson, and hell gate line, going through queens, then to the bronx, for harlem and new haven line.

 

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[beelinefan]

There is no need to run subway service on metro north tracks. Metro north will never allow it.  Also metro north is not a light rail system.

[beelinefan]

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121024/parkchester/plan-bring-metro-north-trains-east-bronx-faces-long-island-opposition

This is the proposal for metro North, the reason why we will provide bypass line services. The existing mnr tracks not just willing to take the harlem line, also the hudson line.

So we will extend the via the west side track. That means i will get rid of 125 street upper west side crosstown.

Amtrak trains will be using proposed empire line to replace hudson, and hell gate line, going through queens, then to the bronx, for harlem and new haven line.

 

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Why would you replace metro north with amtrak?  Metro north is a vitale service that needs to be left as is.

[chenvinny54]

Why would you replace metro north with amtrak? Metro north is a vitale service that needs to be left as is.

Not just amtrak, metro north trains terminal will be moved to penn station. They will go via hell gate and empire lines. Empire line is going west, and hell gate is going east to go outside of nyc. See this message, sent to me in personal conversation by Union Tpke "The  should run along the Metro North ROW not Third Avenue in the Bronx."

That is what i meant. "...Metro North ROW…"

 

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[chenvinny54]

Not just amtrak, metro north trains terminal will be moved to penn station. They will go via hell gate and empire lines. Empire line is going west, and hell gate is going east to go outside of nyc. See this message, sent to me in personal conversation by Union Tpke "The should run along the Metro North ROW not Third Avenue in the Bronx."

That is what i meant. "...Metro North ROW…"

 

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If still not solved, then we will reserve hudson line for mnr. Thats the final decision

 

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[Porter]

I'm more than a little disappointed that your map doesn't include the Cortlandt Street – World Trade Center station. I can forgive the removal of the train, and I might even sympathise with it, but don't you think that this station would have reopened by the time your fantasy had become a reality?

 

Also, why not extend the south to fill the shoes of the ?

[chenvinny54]

I'm more than a little disappointed that your map doesn't include the Cortlandt Street – World Trade Center station. I can forgive the removal of the train, and I might even sympathise with it, but don't you think that this station would have reopened by the time your fantasy had become a reality?

 

Also, why not extend the south to fill the shoes of the ?

I hope you will be okay. The cortlandt station is under construction. It will be out probably on the year 2020. I had removed one downtown station Franklin Street, in order to revive Cordlandt St. Also, I know you forgave the removal because of the low ridership.

 

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I'm more than a little disappointed that your map doesn't include the Cortlandt Street – World Trade Center station. I can forgive the removal of the train, and I might even sympathise with it, but don't you think that this station would have reopened by the time your fantasy had become a reality?

 

Also, why not extend the south to fill the shoes of the ?

and we hold on onto Broad Street. Also speaking about Cortlandt street, once they are ready to show up to the , then this station is back to life, and the subway map in th future will show that Cortlandt street station is seen black, instead of gray.

 

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[Porter]

The cortlandt station is under construction. It will be out probably on the year 2020.

 

2018, actually (confirmed by the itself).

 

If you want to keep the terminus of the at Broad Street, then which line will pick up the slack of the old line down 4th Avenue in Brooklyn during peak hours? The alone is insufficient.

[chenvinny54]

2018, actually (confirmed by the itself).

 

If you want to keep the terminus of the at Broad Street, then which line will pick up the slack of the old line down 4th Avenue in Brooklyn during peak hours? The alone is insufficient.

Then let the run on the west end line to Bay Parkway.

[chenvinny54]

Then let the run on the west end line to Bay Parkway.

Or I finally suggest to revive the to service the west end line, so we can leave the and their usual line.

[chenvinny54]

2018, actually (confirmed by the itself).

 

If you want to keep the terminus of the at Broad Street, then which line will pick up the slack of the old line down 4th Avenue in Brooklyn during peak hours? The alone is insufficient.

Better decision, extend the to Coney Island Stillwell Avenue via the West End line, since according to my proposal, will be moved to Queens Long Island Bypass line, then let the SAS do the express on that line starting from Bay Parkway to Atlantic Barclay Center, and skip Dekalb Avenue. Off peak, trains will run from/to Bay Ridge - 95 Street together with the , both local then stopping at Dekalb Avenue, like you said only alone on the 4 Avenue line is not enough.

[Brighton Express]

I've been saying this for years, the needs to be extended to Brooklyn either permanently or during rush hour. It is one of the, if not the only, lines that offers a transfer to pretty much every important line in Manhattan.

[chenvinny54]

I've been saying this for years, the needs to be extended to Brooklyn either permanently or during rush hour. It is one of the, if not the only, lines that offers a transfer to pretty much every important line in Manhattan.

Yes, extend the to Brooklyn Brighton line to Brighton Beach, run it express. I will get rid of SAS and change back to Broadway line, so the Whitehall Street Station will exercise its center track. will take over 4 Avenue line via the to Its terminus, and will take over West end line to Coney Island.

Overall here are the extensions to Brooklyn

4 Av local to Bay Ridge 95 Street

4 Av Exp, West End local to Coney Island Stillwell Avenue

Brighton Exp to Brighton Beach

[Brighton Express]

Yes, extend the to Brooklyn Brighton line to Brighton Beach, run it express. I will get rid of SAS and change back to Broadway line, so the Whitehall Street Station will exercise its center track. will take over 4 Avenue line via the to Its terminus, and will take over West end line to Coney Island.

Overall here are the extensions to Brooklyn

4 Av local to Bay Ridge 95 Street

4 Av Exp, West End local to Coney Island Stillwell Avenue

Brighton Exp to Brighton Beach

 

I agree with most of this. Might have to make the and rush hour trips, but I completely agree with the full time.

[chenvinny54]

I agree with most of this. Might have to make the and rush hour trips, but I completely agree with the full time.

Result:

Off Peak Hours, Weekends and Weeknights

and

terminates at Broad Street

Weekend terminates at Chamber Street

still terminating at Brighton Beach Exp, since the is local on that line.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Yes, extend the to Brooklyn Brighton line to Brighton Beach, run it express. I will get rid of SAS and change back to Broadway line, so the Whitehall Street Station will exercise its center track. will take over 4 Avenue line via the to Its terminus, and will take over West end line to Coney Island.

Overall here are the extensions to Brooklyn

4 Av local to Bay Ridge 95 Street

4 Av Exp, West End local to Coney Island Stillwell Avenue

Brighton Exp to Brighton Beach

I agree with most of this. Might have to make the and rush hour trips, but I completely agree with the full time.

I disagree with most of this. The only thing I agree with (partially) is the on the 4th Ave Local to/from 95th St, but definitely not as a full time service. Or why not have the provide the extra 4th Ave local service, at least as far south as 59th St?

 

There's no reason for the to revert back to the pre-2010 service. Unless West End Line ridership has been growing like crazy for the past six years, which the 's stats don't seem to reflect. Even then, the or could be plugged in there, rather than bringing back the old . And there's really no need for extending the to Brighton Beach. The Brighton Line has not had direct service to/from the Nassau St Line in 30 years. Why would it be needed now?

[chenvinny54]

I disagree with most of this. The only thing I agree with (partially) is the on the 4th Ave Local to/from 95th St, but definitely not as a full time service. Or why not have the provide the extra 4th Ave local service, at least as far south as 59th St?

 

There's no reason for the to revert back to the pre-2010 service. Unless West End Line ridership has been growing like crazy for the past six years, which the 's stats don't seem to reflect. Even then, the or could be plugged in there, rather than bringing back the old . And there's really no need for extending the to Brighton Beach. The Brighton Line has not had direct service to/from the Nassau St Line in 30 years. Why would it be needed now?

Then lets get rid of , I agreed with you I didnt even have a feeling reviving back that past line. Then lets extend the to run via Brighton line exp, and via 4 Avenue line to/from 95 Street. Both of them will operate only on Weekdays.

[chenvinny54]

I disagree with most of this. The only thing I agree with (partially) is the on the 4th Ave Local to/from 95th St, but definitely not as a full time service. Or why not have the provide the extra 4th Ave local service, at least as far south as 59th St?

 

There's no reason for the to revert back to the pre-2010 service. Unless West End Line ridership has been growing like crazy for the past six years, which the 's stats don't seem to reflect. Even then, the or could be plugged in there, rather than bringing back the old . And there's really no need for extending the to Brighton Beach. The Brighton Line has not had direct service to/from the Nassau St Line in 30 years. Why would it be needed now?

Or I agreed with you to extend via 4th Avenue line. Then why dont we put the back on the Brighton line, i dont have a feeling putting the there.

Then...

Run to Queens to Parson Blvd, via 6 avenue local, and 63 street line, Queens Blvd local, and Hillside local.

Run to Bedford Park Blvd in the Bronx rush hour, other time to 145 Street in Uptown Manhattan from Metropolitan Avenue overall via Myrtle Avenue (existing), via proposed South 4 street-Houston Street tunnel, 6 avenue express, Central Park West local, and Grand Concourse local.

Run to Astoria, via 4 avenue line full time local, and its trip used to work in the Pre-2010.

[chenvinny54]

Or I agreed with you to extend via 4th Avenue line. Then why dont we put the back on the Brighton line, i dont have a feeling putting the there.

Then...

Run to Queens to Parson Blvd, via 6 avenue local, and 63 street line, Queens Blvd local, and Hillside local.

Run to Bedford Park Blvd in the Bronx rush hour, other time to 145 Street in Uptown Manhattan from Metropolitan Avenue overall via Myrtle Avenue (existing), via proposed South 4 street-Houston Street tunnel, 6 avenue express, Central Park West local, and Grand Concourse local.

Run to Astoria, via 4 avenue line full time local, and its trip used to work in the Pre-2010.

So that means the South 4 street-Houston street tunnel will connect to the express track in 2 avenue station. So to Uptown Manhattan on the express track, to Queens on the local track, 6 avenue local, 53 street, Queens Blvd express, and Jamaica local.