Union Tpke Posted March 9, 2016 Share #251 Posted March 9, 2016 Public Hearing Proposed Second Avenue Subway Phase 1 Service Plan The Metropolitan Transportation Authority proposes restoration of service and revisions to and service in connection with the opening of Phase I of the Second Avenue Subway, expected to be completed in late 2016. The new line will run under 2nd Avenue from 96th Street to 72nd Street, serving new stations at 96th Street, 86th Street and 72nd Street. South of 72nd Street, the line will curve west, connecting to the existing 63rd Street line and serving Lexington Av/63 St Station, where a cross-platform transfer to the will be possible. West of the Lexington Av/63 St Station, the new service would connect to the Broadway line express tracks at the 57 St-7 Av Station and continue south. The proposal would provide service on the new Second Avenue line via a rerouted service. service between Queens and lower Manhattan, which was eliminated as part of the 2010 Service Reductions, would be restored to replace service in Astoria; the would operate local in Manhattan, terminating at Whitehall St. service would operate express in Manhattan between Canal St and 34 St-Herald Sq. Further descriptions of the proposed changes are outlined below: Astoria/Broadway Express/Fourth Avenue Express/Sea Beach service would continue to operate between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Coney Island-Stillwell Av at all times. However, during rush hours, middays, and evenings, service would operate on the express tracks rather than the local tracks in Manhattan south of 42 St-Times Sq. During these times, the would make the following stops in Manhattan: Lexington Av/59 St, 5 Av/59 St, 57 St-7 Av, 49 St, Times Sq-42 St, 34 St-Herald Sq, 14 St-Union Sq, and Canal St. Late nights and weekends, service would remain unchanged from current service patterns. Second Avenue/Broadway Express/Brighton Local service would be rerouted from the Astoria line to the 63rd Street line (via existing tracks under Central Park that connect to the Broadway express tracks and that are not currently used for passenger service) and the new Second Avenue line, terminating at 96 St and Second Avenue in Manhattan. service would operate between 96 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av at all times. In Manhattan, service would operate on the Second Avenue, 63rd Street, and Broadway express lines (except late nights), stopping at 96 St, 86 St, 72 St, Lexington Av/63 St, 57 St-7 Av, Times Sq-42 St, 34 St-Herald Sq, 14 St-Union Sq, and Canal St. Late nights, the would run local between 96 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av via the Manhattan Bridge. service in Brooklyn would remain unchanged. Astoria/Broadway LocalTo replace weekday service in Queens, service would be restored between Whitehall St and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd, operating on the Astoria and Broadway local lines, making all stops. Queens Boulevard Local/Broadway Local/Fourth Avenue Local service would remain unchanged. Date and Place of Hearing April 7, 2016Hearing begins at 5:00 p.m.Registration is from 4–7 p.m. 2 Broadway, 20th Floor New York, NY 10004 Those wishing to be heard must register in advance either by telephone, by calling (646) 252-6777, clicking here, or in person at the hearing. Verbal presentations will be limited to three minutes. You may present verbal testimony or submit written statements in lieu of, or to supplement, oral testimony concerning the proposed service plan. Email comments will be accepted and you may click here to submit comments online. All written statements must be submitted by April 14, 2016. Comments received after that date and time will not be considered. Accessibility and Interpreter ServicesThe hearing has been scheduled at a location that is accessible to people with mobility impairment. Sign language and/or foreign language interpreters will be available upon request by calling (646) 252-6777 no later than March 31, 2016. Hearing impaired customers should call 711 for relay services and then ask to be connected to (646) 252-6777 to speak with an agent. Online Forms Register online to speak at this hearing. For those who are unable to attend, click here to submit a comment. Files below are saved in PDF format for Adobe Reader v6.0 or later. Advertisements In English, (539K) En Español, (549K) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted March 10, 2016 Share #252 Posted March 10, 2016 they should just start adding "We're going to listen to you talk, but we just do these things because we have to." to these announcements. It's little more than Transit bread and circuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexx628 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #253 Posted March 22, 2016 So what are the odds that we'll get either R46 or R68 on the W line this Fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 22, 2016 Share #254 Posted March 22, 2016 So what are the odds that we'll get either R46 or R68 on the W line this Fall? More than likely, the will be back out of Coney Island Yard. R46? No. R68? Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 22, 2016 Share #255 Posted March 22, 2016 The 68's will probably go to the , because the and will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed. [Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted March 22, 2016 Share #256 Posted March 22, 2016 Regardless, the and and should still be able to have shared equipment since they all come out of CIY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 22, 2016 Share #257 Posted March 22, 2016 The 68's will probably go to the , because the and will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed. [Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not]. They could easily slap some 96 Street/Upper East Side stickers on the 68/68A signs. After all, they did the same thing for the 62As with the opening of the Hudson Yards station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 22, 2016 Share #258 Posted March 22, 2016 They could easily slap some 96 Street/Upper East Side stickers on the 68/68A signs. After all, they did the same thing for the 62As with the opening of the Hudson Yards station. What reading would you cover with the 96 Street sticker? And for that matter, what reading did the cover with the Hudson Yards sticker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 22, 2016 Share #259 Posted March 22, 2016 The 68's will probably go to the , because the and will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed. [Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not]. I'm actually hearing 2 different rumors. The using R68/R68As again once the returns to allow the to Switch Trains at Astoria when needed and the other one is the remaining entirely R160s with the Lines using 3-4 R68/R68As. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 22, 2016 Share #260 Posted March 22, 2016 What reading would you cover with the 96 Street sticker? And for that matter, what reading did the cover with the Hudson Yards sticker? No clue to either question. Someone would have to scroll through the sign to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #261 Posted March 22, 2016 I'm actually hearing 2 different rumors. The using R68/R68As again once the returns to allow the to Switch Trains at Astoria when needed and the other one is the remaining entirely R160s with the Lines using 3-4 R68/R68As. It could go either way, it's not like the R68s are banned from possibly barreling through new tunnels on Second Ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 23, 2016 Share #262 Posted March 23, 2016 It could go either way, it's not like the R68s are banned from possibly barreling through new tunnels on Second Ave. I know thats why I said there's two rumors I've heard and either one of them could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted March 23, 2016 Share #263 Posted March 23, 2016 Plus we can still see R68/As on the from time to time. Like pre 2010 for the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share #264 Posted March 23, 2016 I just noticed that the only lost 5 trainsets to the , the pre 2010 only had 18 trainsets, the current has 23 trainsets, the never changed when it came to the amount of trainsets, the uses 23, Jamaica took the other 50 cars, so this means CIY is going to need an additional 30-50 cars when the comes back, the requires 10 trainsets. From what I'm hearing (take this with a grain of salt), the will loose a few sets of R46's to Jamaica (I say about 4 sets) while the R32's take its place while Jamaica looses 30-50 R160's to CIY. The extra R32's might come from ENY hence why the R42's are being SMS'ed And all of this is taking place before the R179's start service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted March 24, 2016 Share #265 Posted March 24, 2016 The uses 24 trains in the a.m rush and Im hearing that extra trip in the morning in June will need an additional train making it 25 trains in total. With that, the chances of R68/As occuring on the will increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 24, 2016 Share #266 Posted March 24, 2016 Unless they are providing the R68/As with new roll signs, I doubt the will utilize them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 24, 2016 Share #267 Posted March 24, 2016 Unless they are providing the R68/As with new roll signs, I doubt the will utilize them. Or they could just the top destination as Special if needed which is done during G.Os occasionally on other lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted March 25, 2016 Share #268 Posted March 25, 2016 Or they could just the top destination as Special if needed which is done during G.Os occasionally on other lines... Like when the runs to 14th Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleeye49 Posted March 25, 2016 Share #269 Posted March 25, 2016 The is holding a meeting about the new soon. I think I should go, and convince them to extend the line to South Brooklyn at least during rush hours to help back the , and finally solve the problem caused by the removal of the brown . This is why I support having the part time train, the become the express train running into Brooklyn on the West End Line (short term) and on the Sea Beach Line (Long term). The should have two services both as Broadway Local: one to Coney Island via the tunnel and 4th Avenue Local, the other short turns at Whitehall Street. All trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays. The runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn. The full length train would provide help for the 4th Avenue Line, while some trains are short turned at Whitehall Street every 9 - 12 minutes during the weekdays to provide that extra local service along Broadway and Astoria. Combined headways at all times in Astoria would be every 3 to 5 minutes, with three services as follows: - Full length Broadway / Tunnel / 4th Avenue Sea Beach Local - Every 9 minutes - Broadway Local to Whitehall Street - Every 9 minutes - Broadway Express / Bridge / 4th Avenue Express / (West End (Short Term), Sea Beach (Long Term)) - Every 9 minutes. And obviously each service would be every 12 to 15 minutes during periods where you would run less tph like middays or late evenings unti 11 PM. On weekends, you could have two service patterns: - Broadway Tunnel / 4th Avenue / Sea Beach Local - Broadway Bridge / 4th Avenue Express running every 10 to 12 minutes individually for a combined 5 to 6 minute headway north of 34th Street and in Queens until 10 PM. The would make all local stops at all stations 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 25, 2016 Share #270 Posted March 25, 2016 This is why I support having the part time train, the become the express train running into Brooklyn on the West End Line (short term) and on the Sea Beach Line (Long term). The should have two services both as Broadway Local: one to Coney Island via the tunnel and 4th Avenue Local, the other short turns at Whitehall Street. That makes no sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleeye49 Posted March 25, 2016 Share #271 Posted March 25, 2016 That makes no sense... All trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays. The runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn. This addresses several things: 1) The rearranging of the Broadway Line Services and what trains via the Bridge or Tunnel at any time, one service serves all local stops 24/7, with additional trains short turning at Whitehall Street. 2) The additional service needed on both the Astoria and 4th Avenue Lines. Both lines need additional service, so by having the Local, and the express running both in Queens and Brooklyn addresses this. The 4th Avenue Line needs extra local service, and having the run local in Brooklyn addresses this. 3) With the running local, and the running express, Sea Beach, West End and 4th Avenue riders do not lose express service. Understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted March 25, 2016 Share #272 Posted March 25, 2016 All trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays. The runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn. This addresses several things: 1) The rearranging of the Broadway Line Services and what trains via the Bridge or Tunnel at any time, one service serves all local stops 24/7, with additional trains short turning at Whitehall Street. 2) The additional service needed on both the Astoria and 4th Avenue Lines. Both lines need additional service, so by having the Local, and the express running both in Queens and Brooklyn addresses this. The 4th Avenue Line needs extra local service, and having the run local in Brooklyn addresses this. 3) With the running local, and the running express, Sea Beach, West End and 4th Avenue riders do not lose express service. Understand? If anything is gonna be the 4th Av local, it's the , not . And even so, 1. You can't make the use two different lines in Brooklyn, and 2. the and do just fine on their respective lines. If anything, just have the run the route to Bay parkway rush hours and call it a day. If ridership is justified enough, put that extension into effect middays and eves.But it's not like the can get extended now as there are not enough trains for such extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 25, 2016 Share #273 Posted March 25, 2016 MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel? There's a reason why the was eliminated in Lower Manhattan and South Brooklyn. But if you really insist that the 4th Avenue Local (north of 36th Street) is too crowded for the to handle or that the is "always late", just have the end at 9th Avenue or extend it down to Bay Ridge-95th Street instead of Bay Parkway. Even though I don't find that necessary at all either, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted March 25, 2016 Share #274 Posted March 25, 2016 MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel? There's a reason why the was eliminated in Lower Manhattan and South Brooklyn. But if you really insist that the 4th Avenue Local (north of 36th Street) is too crowded for the to handle or that the is "always late", just have the end at 9th Avenue or extend it down to Bay Ridge-95th Street instead of Bay Parkway. Even though I don't find that necessary at all either, but whatever. Honestly I don't think any extension of the is needed at this time. And like you said the was not doing well at the time, hence why combining with the to make the was done. The and are fine the way they are. The only way I can really support another 4 av local is if part of the abandoned Nassau tracks via Manhattan bridge were connected to the 2 av tracks as part of another branch or as a cheap way of simplifying phrase 4. It would likely just run between 125 st and 9 Av/Bay Ridge if such a route was to be created. Not like this route can even become a reality though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 25, 2016 Share #275 Posted March 25, 2016 MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel? In the morning rush? Of course not. However in the evening rush when they're pouring off the and there is no in sight, yes. Now if in phase 4 of the SAS, they build a connection to the Manhattan Bridge, that may be a different story (and an alternate routing for the if necessary and the in a way: via 63 Street and Second Avenue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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