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W train coming back this fall

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Public Hearing 

Proposed Second Avenue Subway Phase 1 Service Plan  The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) proposes restoration of w.png service and revisions to n.png and q.png service in connection with the opening of Phase I of the Second Avenue Subway, expected to be completed in late 2016. The new line will run under 2nd Avenue from 96th Street to 72nd Street, serving new stations at 96th Street, 86th Street and 72nd Street. South of 72nd Street, the line will curve west, connecting to the existing 63rd Street line and serving Lexington Av/63 St Station, where a cross-platform transfer to the f.png will be possible. West of the Lexington Av/63 St Station, the new service would connect to the Broadway line express tracks at the 57 St-7 Av Station and continue south. The proposal would provide service on the new Second Avenue line via a rerouted q.pngservice. w.png service between Queens and lower Manhattan, which was eliminated as part of the 2010 Service Reductions, would be restored to replace q.png service in Astoria; the w.png would operate local in Manhattan, terminating at Whitehall St. n.png service would operate express in Manhattan between Canal St and 34 St-Herald Sq. Further descriptions of the proposed changes are outlined below: n.png Astoria/Broadway Express/Fourth Avenue Express/Sea Beach

n.png service would continue to operate between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Coney Island-Stillwell Av at all times. However, during rush hours, middays, and evenings, n.pngservice would operate on the express tracks rather than the local tracks in Manhattan south of 42 St-Times Sq. During these times, the n.png would make the following stops in Manhattan: Lexington Av/59 St, 5 Av/59 St, 57 St-7 Av, 49 St, Times Sq-42 St, 34 St-Herald Sq, 14 St-Union Sq, and Canal St. Late nights and weekends, n.png service would remain unchanged from current service patterns.

q.png Second Avenue/Broadway Express/Brighton Local

q.png service would be rerouted from the Astoria line to the 63rd Street line (via existing tracks under Central Park that connect to the Broadway express tracks and that are not currently used for passenger service) and the new Second Avenue line, terminating at 96 St and Second Avenue in Manhattan. q.png service would operate between 96 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av at all times. In Manhattan, q.png service would operate on the Second Avenue, 63rd Street, and Broadway express lines (except late nights), stopping at 96 St, 86 St, 72 St, Lexington Av/63 St, 57 St-7 Av, Times Sq-42 St, 34 St-Herald Sq, 14 St-Union Sq, and Canal St. Late nights, the q.pngwould run local between 96 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av via the Manhattan Bridge. q.png service in Brooklyn would remain unchanged.

w.png Astoria/Broadway Local

To replace weekday q.png service in Queens, w.png service would be restored between Whitehall St and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd, operating on the Astoria and Broadway local lines, making all stops.

r.png Queens Boulevard Local/Broadway Local/Fourth Avenue Local

r.png service would remain unchanged.

Date and Place of Hearing

April 7, 2016
Hearing begins at 5:00 p.m.
Registration is from 4–7 p.m.

 

2 Broadway, 20th Floor
New York, NY 10004

 

Those wishing to be heard must register in advance either by telephone, by calling (646) 252-6777, clicking here, or in person at the hearing. Verbal presentations will be limited to three (3) minutes. You may present verbal testimony or submit written statements in lieu of, or to supplement, oral testimony concerning the proposed service plan. Email comments will be accepted and you may click here to submit comments online. All written statements must be submitted by April 14, 2016. Comments received after that date and time will not be considered.  Accessibility and Interpreter Services

The hearing has been scheduled at a location that is accessible to people with mobility impairment. Sign language and/or foreign language interpreters will be available upon request by calling (646) 252-6777 no later than March 31, 2016.

Hearing impaired customers should call 711 for relay services and then ask to be connected to (646) 252-6777 to speak with an agent.

 
 

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they should just start adding "We're going to listen to you talk, but we just do these things because we have to." to these announcements. It's little more than Transit bread and circuses.

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So what are the odds that we'll get either R46 or R68 on the W line this Fall? :)

More than likely, the (W) will be back out of Coney Island Yard. R46? No. R68? Possibly.

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The 68's will probably go to the (Q), because the (N) and (W) will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed.

 

[Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not].

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Regardless, the (W) and (N) and (Q) should still be able to have shared equipment since they all come out of CIY.

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The 68's will probably go to the (Q), because the (N) and (W) will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed.

 

[Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not].

They could easily slap some 96 Street/Upper East Side stickers on the 68/68A signs. After all, they did the same thing for the 62As with the opening of the Hudson Yards station.

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They could easily slap some 96 Street/Upper East Side stickers on the 68/68A signs. After all, they did the same thing for the 62As with the opening of the Hudson Yards station.

What reading would you cover with the 96 Street sticker? And for that matter, what reading did the cover with the Hudson Yards sticker?

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The 68's will probably go to the (Q), because the (N) and (W) will be able to easily swap cars when needed. While those lines were the most likely to have the older equipment before, by this time, the thinking may have changed.

 

[Edit. But just thought in terms of the new terminal on the signs. So maybe not].

I'm actually hearing 2 different rumors. The (Q) using R68/R68As again once the (W) returns to allow the  (N)(W) to Switch Trains at Astoria when needed and the other one is the (Q) remaining entirely R160s with the (N)(W) Lines using 3-4 R68/R68As.

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What reading would you cover with the 96 Street sticker? And for that matter, what reading did the cover with the Hudson Yards sticker?

No clue to either question. Someone would have to scroll through the sign to see.

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I'm actually hearing 2 different rumors. The (Q) using R68/R68As again once the (W) returns to allow the  (N)(W) to Switch Trains at Astoria when needed and the other one is the (Q) remaining entirely R160s with the (N)(W) Lines using 3-4 R68/R68As.

 

It could go either way, it's not like the R68s are banned from possibly barreling through new tunnels on Second Ave.

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It could go either way, it's not like the R68s are banned from possibly barreling through new tunnels on Second Ave.

I know thats why I said there's two rumors I've heard and either one of them could happen. 

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I just noticed that the (W) only lost 5 trainsets to the (Q), the (Q) pre 2010 only had 18 trainsets, the current (Q) has 23 trainsets, the (N) never changed when it came to the amount of trainsets, the (N) uses 23, Jamaica took the other 50 cars, so this means CIY is going to need an additional 30-50 cars when the (W) comes back, the (W) requires 10 trainsets.

 

From what I'm hearing (take this with a grain of salt), the (A) will loose a few sets of R46's to Jamaica (I say about 4 sets) while the R32's take its place while Jamaica looses 30-50 R160's to CIY. The extra R32's might come from ENY hence why the R42's are being SMS'ed

And all of this is taking place before the R179's start service

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The  (N) uses 24 trains in the a.m rush and Im hearing that extra  (N) trip in the morning in June will need an additional train making it 25 trains in total. With that, the chances of R68/As occuring on the  (N) will increase.

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Unless they are providing the R68/As with new roll signs, I doubt the (Q) will utilize them.

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Unless they are providing the R68/As with new roll signs, I doubt the (Q) will utilize them.

Or they could just the top destination as Special if needed which is done during G.Os occasionally on other lines... 

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The (MTA) is holding a meeting about the new (W) soon. I think I should go, and convince them to extend the line to South Brooklyn at least during rush hours to help back the (R), and finally solve the problem caused by the removal of the brown (M).

 

This is why I support having the part time train, the (W) become the express train running into Brooklyn on the West End Line (short term) and on the Sea Beach Line (Long term).  The (N) should have two services both as Broadway Local: one to Coney Island via the tunnel and 4th Avenue Local, the other short turns at Whitehall Street.  All  (N) trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays.  The  (W)runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn.

 

The full length (N) train would provide help for the 4th Avenue Line, while some trains are short turned at Whitehall Street every 9 - 12 minutes during the weekdays to provide that extra local service along Broadway and Astoria.  Combined headways at all times in Astoria would be every 3 to 5 minutes, with three services as follows:

 

(N) - Full length Broadway / Tunnel / 4th Avenue Sea Beach Local - Every 9 minutes

(N) - Broadway Local to Whitehall Street - Every 9 minutes

(W) - Broadway Express / Bridge / 4th Avenue Express / (West End (Short Term), Sea Beach (Long Term)) - Every 9 minutes.

 

And obviously each service would be every 12 to 15 minutes during periods where you would run less tph like middays or late evenings unti 11 PM.

 

On weekends, you could have two service patterns:

 

(N) - Broadway Tunnel / 4th Avenue / Sea Beach Local

(W) - Broadway Bridge / 4th Avenue Express

 

running every 10 to 12 minutes individually for a combined 5 to 6 minute headway north of 34th Street and in Queens until 10 PM.

 

The (N) would make all local stops at all stations 24/7.

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This is why I support having the part time train, the (W) become the express train running into Brooklyn on the West End Line (short term) and on the Sea Beach Line (Long term).  The (N) should have two services both as Broadway Local: one to Coney Island via the tunnel and 4th Avenue Local, the other short turns at Whitehall Street.

That makes no sense...

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That makes no sense...

 

All (N) trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays.  The (W) runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn.  This addresses several things:

 

1) The rearranging of the Broadway Line Services and what trains via the Bridge or Tunnel at any time, one service serves all local stops 24/7, with additional trains short turning at Whitehall Street.

 

2) The additional service needed on both the Astoria and 4th Avenue Lines.  Both lines need additional service, so by having the (N) Local, and the (W) express running both in Queens and Brooklyn addresses this.  The 4th Avenue Line needs extra local service, and having the (N) run local in Brooklyn addresses this.

 

3) With the (N) running local, and the (W) running express, Sea Beach, West End and 4th Avenue riders do not lose express service.

 

Understand?

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All (N) trains run through Whitehall 24/7, some continue into Brooklyn, while some terminate there during the weekdays. The (W) runs express from 34th Street through the Bridge into Brooklyn. This addresses several things:

 

1) The rearranging of the Broadway Line Services and what trains via the Bridge or Tunnel at any time, one service serves all local stops 24/7, with additional trains short turning at Whitehall Street.

 

2) The additional service needed on both the Astoria and 4th Avenue Lines. Both lines need additional service, so by having the (N) Local, and the (W) express running both in Queens and Brooklyn addresses this. The 4th Avenue Line needs extra local service, and having the (N) run local in Brooklyn addresses this.

 

3) With the (N) running local, and the (W) running express, Sea Beach, West End and 4th Avenue riders do not lose express service.

 

Understand?

If anything is gonna be the 4th Av local, it's the (W), not (N). And even so, 1. You can't make the (W) use two different lines in Brooklyn, and 2. the (D) and (N) do just fine on their respective lines. If anything, just have the (W) run the (brownM) route to Bay parkway rush hours and call it a day. If ridership is justified enough, put that extension into effect middays and eves.

But it's not like the (W) can get extended now as there are not enough trains for such extensions.

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MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel?

 

There's a reason why the  (brownM) was eliminated in Lower Manhattan and South Brooklyn. But if you really insist that the 4th Avenue Local (north of 36th Street) is too crowded for the (R) to handle or that the (R) is "always late", just have the (W) end at 9th Avenue or extend it down to Bay Ridge-95th Street instead of Bay Parkway. Even though I don't find that necessary at all either, but whatever.

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MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel?

 

There's a reason why the (brownM) was eliminated in Lower Manhattan and South Brooklyn. But if you really insist that the 4th Avenue Local (north of 36th Street) is too crowded for the (R) to handle or that the (R) is "always late", just have the (W) end at 9th Avenue or extend it down to Bay Ridge-95th Street instead of Bay Parkway. Even though I don't find that necessary at all either, but whatever.

Honestly I don't think any extension of the (W) is needed at this time. And like you said the (brownM) was not doing well at the time, hence why combining with the (V) to make the (M) was done.

The (D)(N) and (R) are fine the way they are. The only way I can really support another 4 av local is if part of the abandoned Nassau tracks via Manhattan bridge were connected to the 2 av tracks as part of another branch or as a cheap way of simplifying phrase 4. It would likely just run between 125 st and 9 Av/Bay Ridge if such a route was to be created. Not like this route can even become a reality though.

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MysteriousBtrain, like I always tell both Around the Horn and T to Dyre Avenue before, do you really think a morning rush hour commuter trying to get to Chinatown and Midtown from Bay Ridge/West End/Sea Beach is going to want to take a train making all local stops via the Montague Street Tunnel?

In the morning rush? Of course not.

 

However in the evening rush when they're pouring off the (D)(N) and there is no (R) in sight, yes.

 

Now if in phase 4 of the SAS, they build a connection to the Manhattan Bridge, that may be a different story (and an alternate routing for the (Q) if necessary and the (R) in a way: via 63 Street and Second Avenue)

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