W train coming back this fall

[Wallyhorse]

Yes, hindsight is 20-20. We know that. When the city financed the construction of the IRT subway, most of the population was concentrated on the southern end of the island.

 

As for keeping track 4 for operational purposes, what operational purposes? Track 4 of the shuttle only connects to the northbound 7th Avenue local track. Removing it from passenger service eliminates the need for the shuttle moves from there. It isn't as though there isn't another connection on the eastern end of the shuttle.

We know that, but that involves having a shuttle train having to either:

 

Go all the way to Brooklyn Bridge or South Ferry, do the loop and then head uptown to whichever yard it would go to.

 

Do it in reverse and then back into the shuttle track from the downtown track south of Grand Central. 

 

Not sure the wants to lose that flexibility of being able to simply have trains run up the Broadway-7th Avenue line.

[Fresh Pond]

We know that, but that involves having a shuttle train having to either:

 

Go all the way to Brooklyn Bridge or South Ferry, do the loop and then head uptown to whichever yard it would go to.

 

Do it in reverse and then back into the shuttle track from the downtown track south of Grand Central.

 

Not sure the wants to lose that flexibility of being able to simply have trains run up the Broadway-7th Avenue line.

The shuttle is based out of Livonia. It's easier on the Lex side than the 7 Av side.

[Wallyhorse]

The shuttle is based out of Livonia. It's easier on the Lex side than the 7 Av side.

Then that makes sense.  

[onthe1train]

They should just reconfigure the whole Time Square side and only use tracks 1 and 3. Are the loads even large enough to require having three trains running? Just push the platforms back a hundred feet or so that the curve isn't as bad and you don't have to run all the way around the bump stop when a train comes in on track 3.

[Porter]

The should extend the southerly along the discontinued route of the during peak hours instead of the proposal.

[Around the Horn]

The should extend the southerly along the discontinued route of the during peak hours instead of the proposal.

I see we have another guy who thinks the and are separate lines...

[MysteriousBtrain]

The should extend the southerly along the discontinued route of the during peak hours instead of the proposal.

And how would that work out? the runs in the peak direction only.

[Porter]

Oh, yes, well, my idea would mean that the would have to be fundamentally altered as a line. If that's too much or unnecessary, then just extending the to match the would be fine.

[Fresh Pond]

Oh, yes, well, my idea would mean that the would have to be fundamentally altered as a line. If that's too much or unnecessary, then just extending the to match the would be fine.

We've had this discussion here many many times...

[Javier]

I see we have another guy who thinks the and are separate lines...

God dam it you beat me to it lmao

[Porter]

We've had this discussion here many many times...

 

Sorry, it's my first day here...

 

Could you redirect me to one of those discussions?

[Kamen Rider]

They are usually mixed in with other arguments... I mean discussions.

 

Long story short;

 

The Z only runs about an hour each peak direction, and only uses a few trains. Each train makes one round trip and is then sent to bed again in East New York Yard. While this seems inefficient, the passenger load of the Jamaica line is very peak heavy.There is little in the way of people wanting J stops getting on at Z stops or vice versa, which is what doomed the 9. With just about everyone wanting the transfers at Broadway Junction, to them M or going to Lower Manhattan, the trade off is acceptable.

[Porter]

They are usually mixed in with other arguments... I mean discussions.

 

Long story short;

 

The Z only runs about an hour each peak direction, and only uses a few trains. Each train makes one round trip and is then sent to bed again in East New York Yard. While this seems inefficient, the passenger load of the Jamaica line is very peak heavy.There is little in the way of people wanting J stops getting on at Z stops or vice versa, which is what doomed the 9. With just about everyone wanting the transfers at Broadway Junction, to them M or going to Lower Manhattan, the trade off is acceptable.

 

Thanks for explaining, but does this mean that it would not be beneficial to extend at least the down the path of the old to Bay Parkway (whether during peak hours or not)?

[Union Tpke]

Thanks for explaining, but does this mean that it would not be beneficial to extend at least the down the path of the old to Bay Parkway (whether during peak hours or not)?

 

The was essentially empty in Brooklyn. Also, there aren't enough subway cars for the extension. Once enough cars are available the should be extended to Bay Parkway.

[Kamen Rider]

too much of ENY's fleet goes to the M, any service would need to be based elsewhere.

[Porter]

The was essentially empty in Brooklyn. Also, there aren't enough subway cars for the extension. Once enough cars are available the should be extended to Bay Parkway.

 

So the is more deserving of a Bay Parkway extension than is the because of likely differences in ridership?

[Around the Horn]

So the is more deserving of a Bay Parkway extension than is the because of likely differences in ridership?

Yes

[T to Dyre Avenue]

So the is more deserving of a Bay Parkway extension than is the because of likely differences in ridership?

Yes

I'm not sure either one is. Are trains on the West End Line so much more crowded now than they were just a few years ago that they really need a supplemental service during rush hours? Does the suffer worse than other lines from delays that it could really use another service to back it up in the event of a service issue?

[Javier]

[Around the Horn]

I'm not sure either one is. Are trains on the West End Line so much more crowded now than they were just a few years ago that they really need a supplemental service during rush hours? Does the suffer worse than other lines from delays that it could really use another service to back it up in the event of a service issue?

Bay Parkway is the best place to turn a Brooklyn unless Bay Ridge-95 Street is under consideration. There is no point in attempting a Nassau Street service on 4 Avenue.

 

AFAIK he was referring to the differences in ridership between a Nassau Street service extended along 4 Avenue ( or w/e) vs an extension of the on 4 Avenue, which do exist. An extended could also help the handle Lower Manhattan to Downtown Brooklyn ridership (which is growing as tourists are more and more interested by exploring Brooklyn after that Ferry ride... ). The or wouldn't pull in that much ridership.

 

That's a good attempt Javier however the bullet is missing north of 34 Street and the line takes a curve similar to the on the MTA's version. The area around Hunter College is also incorrect.

[Javier]

That's from Facebook....and what curve?

[Around the Horn]

The curve between 57 Street and 63 Street:

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Bay Parkway is the best place to turn a Brooklyn unless Bay Ridge-95 Street is under consideration. There is no point in attempting a Nassau Street service on 4 Avenue.

 

AFAIK he was referring to the differences in ridership between a Nassau Street service extended along 4 Avenue ( or w/e) vs an extension of the on 4 Avenue, which do exist. An extended could also help the handle Lower Manhattan to Downtown Brooklyn ridership (which is growing as tourists are more and more interested by exploring Brooklyn after that Ferry ride... ). The or wouldn't pull in that much ridership.

 

The ferries (not just SI but also Ellis Island and Statue of Liberty) and the proximity to the WTC area would be a big plus in for a Brooklyn extension. Not to mention the unadvertised early morning and late evening runs over the Sea Beach line in Brooklyn that were coming out of or returning to Coney Island Yard. We might even see that again when the returns in the fall. But if the Brooklyn runs were to be made into a regular official service, it should be over the West End Line or to 95th St/4th Ave. The 95th St routing allows for increased 4th Ave local service all the way from Bay Ridge, while the West End routing gives riders another option for the Broadway Line and Downtown Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan.

[Around the Horn]

Since the is returning, the runs to Brooklyn at night and from Brooklyn in the morning would have to return no matter what, unless the MTA decided to run them as out of service deadheads.

[checkmatechamp13]

The ferries (not just SI but also Ellis Island and Statue of Liberty) and the proximity to the WTC area would be a big plus in for a Brooklyn extension. Not to mention the unadvertised early morning and late evening runs over the Sea Beach line in Brooklyn that were coming out of or returning to Coney Island Yard. We might even see that again when the returns in the fall. But if the Brooklyn runs were to be made into a regular official service, it should be over the West End Line or to 95th St/4th Ave. The 95th St routing allows for increased 4th Ave local service all the way from Bay Ridge, while the West End routing gives riders another option for the Broadway Line and Downtown Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan.

 

It couldn't run to 95th because the purpose of those runs is to get them to the CI Yard.