R32 3838 Posted March 19, 2016 Share #1 Posted March 19, 2016 The M line between Metropolitan ave and Myrtle ave will be shutdown in a span of 10 months according to the MTA, the first two months the bridge south of metropolitan ave will be replaced and after that work is complete, A special shuttle train will run between the metropolitan and myrtle - Wycoff. Normal trains will run between Broadway junction and forest hills. All of this work is expected to be completed in the spring of 2018. The and will run local between Marcy and bway jct. Equipment wise the will continue to use R160's. The Special Shuttle will use R32's due to the temporary barn only able to fit two cars (yes they're building a temporary barn in or next to fresh pond yard) this came from two sources (disclaimer this is all subject to change) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted March 19, 2016 Share #2 Posted March 19, 2016 The M line between Metropolitan ave and Myrtle ave will be shutdown in a span of 10 months according to the MTA, the first two months the bridge south of metropolitan ave will be replaced and after that work is complete, A special shuttle train will run between the metropolitan and myrtle - Wycoff. Normal trains will run between Broadway junction and forest hills. All of this work is expected to be completed in the spring of 2018. The and will run local between Marcy and bway jct. Equipment wise the will continue to use R160's. The Special Shuttle will use R32's due to the temporary barn only able to fit two cars (yes they're building a temporary barn in or next to fresh pond yard) this came from two sources (disclaimer this is all subject to change) Does this mean weekend service will run between Essex and Broadway Junction ? Also, I'm assuming no late night service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted March 19, 2016 Does this mean weekend service will run between Essex and Broadway Junction ? Also, I'm assuming no late night service. There's no mention of weekend service to Essex st, I'm sure they'll increase the headways on the J/L lines on the weekends to replace the M, as for the one track shuttle between metropolitan and wycoff, I don't know if its going to be 24/7 or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted March 20, 2016 Share #4 Posted March 20, 2016 I thought mid 2017 sounded a bit familiar. http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-moves-forward-queens-blvd-line-signal-improvement-project I wonder if they're still planning to start "major installation work" on CBTC in Queens at the same time as this is going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted March 21, 2016 Share #5 Posted March 21, 2016 I thought mid 2017 sounded a bit familiar. http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-moves-forward-queens-blvd-line-signal-improvement-project I wonder if they're still planning to start "major installation work" on CBTC in Queens at the same time as this is going to happen They seem to be pretty content giving queens blvd the shaft whenever possible, so probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 21, 2016 Share #6 Posted March 21, 2016 They seem to be pretty content giving queens blvd the shaft whenever possible, so probably. How, in anyway, is that giving Queens Boulevard "the shaft"? If something has to be disrupted in order for it to improve (which is inevitable), then I don't see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted March 21, 2016 Share #7 Posted March 21, 2016 How, in anyway, is that giving Queens Boulevard "the shaft"? If something has to be disrupted in order for it to improve (which is inevitable), then I don't see the problem. There are those who don't look at the future and only look at the here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 21, 2016 Share #8 Posted March 21, 2016 The title of this thread might confuse some people who are unaware of this looming service change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted March 21, 2016 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2016 I'm confused, what part of the line are they going to replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted March 21, 2016 Share #10 Posted March 21, 2016 I'm confused, what part of the line are they going to replace? The bridge between Metropolitan Av and Fresh Pond Road and the structure between Myrtle Av and Central Av. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 21, 2016 Share #11 Posted March 21, 2016 How, in anyway, is that giving Queens Boulevard "the shaft"? If something has to be disrupted in order for it to improve (which is inevitable), then I don't see the problem. There are those who don't look at the future and only look at the here and now. That may be, but people do have to get places during these disruptions. While they are necessary, these disruptions should be as painless as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B46 via Utica Posted March 22, 2016 Share #12 Posted March 22, 2016 The won't have access to FP yard so will there be any change in equipment? Or will ENY be overflowing with R160s from FP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 22, 2016 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2016 The won't have access to FP yard so will there be any change in equipment? Or will ENY be overflowing with R160s from FP? The latter is probably most likely, given that the is based from ENY. Besides, yards just store trains, that's it. Whereas, shops repair trains all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted March 22, 2016 The won't have access to FP yard so will there be any change in equipment? Or will ENY be overflowing with R160s from FP? The R32's will run on the metropolitan to wycoff shuttle, they're putting a temporary barn in fresh pond yard that can only fit two cars hence why they're going to use R32's, the would gain about 3-4 more sets of R160's The stored trains that are usually stored at FP will probably use the middle tracks between Marcy and chuancey st hence the reason why the and IG going local between Marcy and Broadway junction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #15 Posted March 22, 2016 That may be, but people do have to get places during these disruptions. While they are necessary, these disruptions should be as painless as possible. There's no such thing as a "painless" disruption. That's why it's called a disruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 22, 2016 Share #16 Posted March 22, 2016 Hence why I said "as painless as possible". You can't shut down too many sections of the subway at once. It puts way too much pressure on the remaining services, both on the subway, as well as the bus network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 22, 2016 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2016 The R32's will run on the metropolitan to wycoff shuttle, they're putting a temporary barn in fresh pond yard that can only fit two cars hence why they're going to use R32's, the would gain about 3-4 more sets of R160's The stored trains that are usually stored at FP will probably use the middle tracks between Marcy and chuancey st hence the reason why the and IG going local between Marcy and Broadway junction They're only running one 2 car train? That's a recipe for disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share #18 Posted March 22, 2016 They're only running one 2 car train? That's a recipe for disaster... No it'll be ether 4-8 cars, single track shuttle, its just the temporary barn that is going to service the cars can only fit 2 cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted March 23, 2016 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2016 So basically like the but just more limited, will the shuttle train be free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted March 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2016 So basically like the but just more limited, will the shuttle train be free? Probably not, since there will be a transfer to the at Myrtle Wyckoff Avenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted March 23, 2016 Share #21 Posted March 23, 2016 How, in anyway, is that giving Queens Boulevard "the shaft"? If something has to be disrupted in order for it to improve (which is inevitable), then I don't see the problem. In the likely event that the CBTC installation requires reduction in rush-hour E and F service, doing that concurrently with a reduction in local M service would compound an already disruptive service change. Trust me: I'm very well aware that service needs to be disrupted in order for it to improve, however, I do hold the opinion that rush hour service should be preserved as close as possible to regular service if at all possible. I contend Two rush-hour service changes running concurrently on Queens Blvd is too much for the second busiest trunk in the system to handle. What I meant by my statement, about them being content to neglect queens blvd is primarily the fact that there seems to be the belief that the R is all the queens blvd service that's needed. In the event of disruption somewhere on 6th ave, for instance, they're content to short turn the M at chambers and let the already-constantly-delayed R train try to deal with double the ridership it already has. This happens more frequently than you'd think. Turning the 25% of M trains not going all the way through at 2nd ave during this disruption would be the ideal way to maintain service as close as possible to normal levels, but I highly doubt they will do that, and I would not be surprised if they disrupted the E and the F at the same time. I am simply in favor of the minimum possible disruption in order to accomplish the work. There are those who don't look at the future and only look at the here and now. There's no such thing as a "painless" disruption. That's why it's called a disruption. I really don't think it's shortsighted to advocate that service be disrupted to the smallest extent possible while performing work during rush hour. Hence why I said "as painless as possible". You can't shut down too many sections of the subway at once. It puts way too much pressure on the remaining services, both on the subway, as well as the bus network. ^ this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 29, 2016 Share #22 Posted March 29, 2016 Railfans will have fun riding that shuttle for sure! Long live R32s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted April 14, 2016 Share #23 Posted April 14, 2016 I am guessing they will need a good number of buses for that shuttle. Does anyone know if they plan keeping some RTS for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted April 15, 2016 Share #24 Posted April 15, 2016 Reminds me of how they kept many 3000's RTS's (which were on their way out in '99) for the Williamsburg Br. shutdown, and they were all stored at the Plaza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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