Around the Horn Posted March 30, 2016 Share #76 Posted March 30, 2016 Not to mention what if the LIRR gets messed up and you have a massive crowd of people waiting at Sutphin like this... The cannot handle that. I think they screwed up when they put the on the upper level. Notice how no one is going down those escalators to the . I wonder if the were on the upper level, would they get more riders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxBombers Posted March 30, 2016 Share #77 Posted March 30, 2016 I think they screwed up when they put the on the upper level. Notice how no one is going down those escalators to the . I wonder if the were on the upper level, would they get more riders? I don't think so. People would still be attracted to the since it goes to midtown and it is express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted March 30, 2016 Share #78 Posted March 30, 2016 Personally, I think that Pelham Bay Park is one of the worst terminals in the system, but that's just me. I mean, an at-grade 3-2 track merge for a two track bumper block terminal with a rather sharp curve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted March 30, 2016 Share #79 Posted March 30, 2016 For me, it's the same at Broad St with the in terms of not having to wonder about which track the train leaves from, but in the event that a is extremely late coming from Brooklyn, they will have the train leave from the southbound platform, then use the switch north of the station. (I experienced this a few months ago). Same here. At least they gave advance warning, though, so unless you came at the last minute, at least you were able to make it over to the other side in time to catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 30, 2016 Share #80 Posted March 30, 2016 I think they screwed up when they put the on the upper level. Notice how no one is going down those escalators to the . I wonder if the were on the upper level, would they get more riders? Anybody at Jamaica Center and Sutphin-JFK who take the are only going a few stops. Those that take the are going towards Court Square/Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 31, 2016 Share #81 Posted March 31, 2016 Same here. At least they gave advance warning, though, so unless you came at the last minute, at least you were able to make it over to the other side in time to catchFortunately, I was there before the train arrived. They waited for everyone to come across, but some were glued to their smartphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 31, 2016 Share #82 Posted March 31, 2016 Anybody at Jamaica Center and Sutphin-JFK who take the are only going a few stops. Those that take the are going towards Court Square/Manhattan. this shows that skip/stop has failed. Instead, a third track should be installed on the Jamaica El. Express trains would only stop at the following: Jamaica Center, Sutphin, Woodhaven, Broadway Junction, Myrtle Avenue, Marcy Avenue (or this could be skipped as well), Essex, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and Broad. This certainly would save time and reduce crowding on the . A third track would be constructed over Jamaica Avenue betwen Cypress Hills and Broadway Junction, and using the provisions at Woodhaven Blvd, the station would be made an express stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 31, 2016 Share #83 Posted March 31, 2016 this shows that skip/stop has failed. Instead, a third track should be installed on the Jamaica El. Express trains would only stop at the following: Jamaica Center, Sutphin, Woodhaven, Broadway Junction, Myrtle Avenue, Marcy Avenue (or this could be skipped as well), Essex, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and Broad. This certainly would save time and reduce crowding on the . A third track would be constructed over Jamaica Avenue betwen Cypress Hills and Broadway Junction, and using the provisions at Woodhaven Blvd, the station would be made an express stop. Marcy Avenue is a pretty busy station. Skip Stop trains used to skip Bowery but it stopped due to high ridership in that station in 2002-2003. And Alabama is another busy station which is why they added it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 31, 2016 Share #84 Posted March 31, 2016 Marcy Avenue is a pretty busy station. Skip Stop trains used to skip Bowery but it stopped due to high ridership in that station in 2002-2003. And Alabama is another busy station which is why they added it. then add Marcy and Bowery Screen Shot 2015-10-22 at 4.42.45 PM by spicker613, on Flickr Screen Shot 2015-10-22 at 4.42.53 PM by spicker613, on Flickr EDIT: I didn't realize this but this is my 4000th post! Long Live NYCTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS9000 Posted March 31, 2016 Share #85 Posted March 31, 2016 I heard the only saves like 1-2 minutes (I know any time saved is crucial, but more could be saved). They also need to realign the section between Broadway Junction and Cypress Hills so trains don't have to slow down ridiculously when bending around the curve. Marcy Avenue is a pretty busy station. Skip Stop trains used to skip Bowery but it stopped due to high ridership in that station in 2002-2003. They ran and trains express there (bypass); a map I have from 1993 shows the service in a lighter font (which signifies part time service). No skip-stop in Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 31, 2016 Share #86 Posted March 31, 2016 Anybody at Jamaica Center and Sutphin-JFK who take the are only going a few stops. Those that take the are going towards Court Square/Manhattan.I guess I'm an exception considering that I use the five days a week between Norwood Av and Sutphin Blvd to get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 31, 2016 Share #87 Posted March 31, 2016 I heard the only saves like 1-2 minutes (I know any time saved is crucial, but more could be saved). I think they ran and trains express there; a map I have from 1993 shows the service in a lighter font (which signifies part time service). The part time fonts usually is a pencil font. I know what you're talking about but parts of the map back then showed that font you said (I think it had to do with the design layout at the time) because of other stations/lines had that font but were full time stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS9000 Posted March 31, 2016 Share #88 Posted March 31, 2016 The and indeed ran express in Manhattan and bypassed Bowery back many years ago; this is confirmed via NYCSubway.org. Going back on topic, Bowling Green station has a good terminal setup, but not a good function as terminating/reversing trains usually conflict with trains from Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 31, 2016 Share #89 Posted March 31, 2016 The and indeed ran express in Manhattan and bypassed Bowery back many years ago; this is confirmed via NYCSubway.org. Going back on topic, Bowling Green station has a good terminal setup, but not a good function as terminating/reversing trains usually conflict with trains from Brooklyn. Bowery I know the Bypassed. I thought you were talking about Marcy. Another Terminal I like is Court Square on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 31, 2016 Share #90 Posted March 31, 2016 To me Coney Island is the best terminal due the flexibility of service and passenger flow. Not to mention you have four subway lines coming together and eventually meeting up again points north which is good for when theres a G.O. like the going over the or vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 31, 2016 Share #91 Posted March 31, 2016 this shows that skip/stop has failed. Instead, a third track should be installed on the Jamaica El. Express trains would only stop at the following: Jamaica Center, Sutphin, Woodhaven, Broadway Junction, Myrtle Avenue, Marcy Avenue (or this could be skipped as well), Essex, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and Broad. This certainly would save time and reduce crowding on the . A third track would be constructed over Jamaica Avenue betwen Cypress Hills and Broadway Junction, and using the provisions at Woodhaven Blvd, the station would be made an express stop. The trains are close enough to the buildings as it is on Jamaica Av. Turning Woodhaven into a 3 track-2 island platform will have to destroy a few buildings to make the el wider. Then you got a bunch of electrical rooms built in the space of the middle track that all have to be relocated, then you gotta strengthen the entire el itself; the entire stretch on Jamaica is just as old as the Brooklyn Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 31, 2016 Share #92 Posted March 31, 2016 Regarding the and 179th street i would move the to jamaica center full time and i would switch the to 179th full time also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 31, 2016 Share #93 Posted March 31, 2016 To me Coney Island is the best terminal due the flexibility of service and passenger flow. Not to mention you have four subway lines coming together and eventually meeting up again points north which is good for when theres a G.O. like the going over the or vice versa Southbound trains commonly get held between Neptune Avenue and West 8th Street from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share #94 Posted March 31, 2016 Coney Island is best. One time in past, I saw an train running via the line toward Coney Island.. I don't know why that happen that night. i think the main street terminal is little eh. I seen some get back up especially rush hour when it can't handle it because of how the set up was with three end tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted March 31, 2016 Share #95 Posted March 31, 2016 Best terminals in my opinion are 179 and Stillwell. The worst are in no order are: 205 Utica (Eastern Pkwy) Jamaica Center Smith-9 Sts Flatbush Ave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted March 31, 2016 Share #96 Posted March 31, 2016 Best terminals in my opinion are 179 and Stillwell. The worst are in no order are: 205 Utica (Eastern Pkwy) Jamaica Center Smith-9 Sts Flatbush Ave 205th doesnt count as a terminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 31, 2016 Share #97 Posted March 31, 2016 205th doesnt count as a terminal Okay? I'm pretty sure no one, not even myself (other than the transit employees who recently posted here), has to care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 31, 2016 Share #98 Posted March 31, 2016 Okay? I'm pretty sure no one, not even myself (other than the transit employees who recently posted here), has to care either way. This post wasn't necessary, calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxBombers Posted March 31, 2016 Share #99 Posted March 31, 2016 this shows that skip/stop has failed. Instead, a third track should be installed on the Jamaica El. Express trains would only stop at the following: Jamaica Center, Sutphin, Woodhaven, Broadway Junction, Myrtle Avenue, Marcy Avenue (or this could be skipped as well), Essex, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and Broad. This certainly would save time and reduce crowding on the . A third track would be constructed over Jamaica Avenue betwen Cypress Hills and Broadway Junction, and using the provisions at Woodhaven Blvd, the station would be made an express stop. I agree the skip-stop is kind of a flop since it doesn't really accomplish what it was set out to do. But at the same time, a Jamaica El Express would only benefit people going to Lower Manhattan. It seems like everyone is traveling to Midtown or anywhere north of Midtown so the is the only viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted March 31, 2016 Share #100 Posted March 31, 2016 205th doesnt count as a terminal To me, it counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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