Porter Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share #26 Posted December 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, eaw3c1 said: Has the T4 R & W entrances opened along with the E CONNECTOR under T2? Yes, here's a video showing all of it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 31, 2017 Share #27 Posted December 31, 2017 Went and looked at it tonight. Wow; I had worked the Thanksgiving, and it did not look that close to opening! I had thought the new connection would be directly from the new fare control area, but instead, it's a completely separate passageway from the extreme north end of the platform. I wonder then, why they didn't take down the wall separating it from the old WTC entrance and perhaps put up a glass wall, so that it wouldn't be so enclosed looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share #28 Posted December 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Eric B said: I had thought the new connection would be directly from the new fare control area, but instead, it's a completely separate passageway from the extreme north end of the platform. I wonder then, why they didn't take down the wall separating it from the old WTC entrance and perhaps put up a glass wall, so that it wouldn't be so enclosed looking. The most obvious complication is the elevator serving the southbound platform. The second complication is that the transfer has to be within the fare zone, and the fare control area is small and cramped as it is. The third complication is that most of the fare control area is suspended in-air over the mall, and even then, to get from there to the WTC Station would require plowing through mechanical infrastructure. With that (short-sighted yet required) elevator in the way, how they ultimately arranged it was really the only feasible way. It's a bit cramped, but unless they want to rebuild the elevator a few meters to the east, it's the most logical setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted December 31, 2017 Unfortunately, I don't think that the official map will feature the new free connection and ADA access until the Cortlandt Street Station reopens next year. I doubt that the would replace all of the maps for a small update like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 31, 2017 Share #30 Posted December 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Skipper said: Unfortunately, I don't think that the official map will feature the new free connection and ADA access until the Cortlandt Street Station reopens next year. I doubt that the would replace all of the maps for a small update like this. They did for Arthur Kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted December 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Union Tpke said: They did for Arthur Kill. Well yeah, that's a brand new station that forced the closure of two others. This latest update only included a new free connection and ADA access restored at the WTC Station. It amounts to drawing a black line between the WTC and Cortlandt and adding the ADA icon to the former. The Cortlandt Street Station reopening is of the magnitude of Arthur Kill and should be arriving relatively soon. Also, I've noticed that the WTC mall and Cortlandt Street Station highly downplay the Chambers Street and Park Place connections. They can only be found on the sign outside of the 2WTC entrance, that of the ground-level entrance next to the cemetery that @Around the Horn snapped a week or so ago, and the old pre-9/11 signage preserved in the old mall corridor. My guess is that the wants to push WTC shoppers and visitors to use the Fulton Street lines via the Dey Street Concourse, so as to not cause confusion with the overlapping lines (are those really closer, though?). Here's a bonus video for @Vtrain: I'm curious what they're working on just north of the 2WTC entrance... Advertising screens, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted December 31, 2017 Share #32 Posted December 31, 2017 Online PDF subway map isn't displaying transfer yet. Glad this is open though -- another way to escape the half-speed terrors of the on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted December 31, 2017 Share #33 Posted December 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Union Tpke said: They did for Arthur Kill. They did it for the viaduct reconstruction too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 31, 2017 Share #34 Posted December 31, 2017 3 hours ago, RR503 said: Online PDF subway map isn't displaying transfer yet. Glad this is open though -- another way to escape the half-speed terrors of the on weekends. I'll use this when I am getting home from somewhere in Brooklyn along the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted January 1, 2018 Share #35 Posted January 1, 2018 23 hours ago, Skipper said: Unfortunately, I don't think that the official map will feature the new free connection and ADA access until the Cortlandt Street Station reopens next year. I doubt that the would replace all of the maps for a small update like this. They will doubtless replace the online maps soon. They will probably create new print maps as well. But they probably won't replace the print maps on trains and stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted January 12, 2018 Share #36 Posted January 12, 2018 I finally got around to checking this out. Wow, they really opened up a lot of new passageways and entrances, and completely reconfigured the turnstiles at the south end of the platform. It looks nice. Getting from the to the uptown is a bit of a chore. But otherwise it's nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share #37 Posted January 12, 2018 I think this thread has run its course (I had originally asked about the 2002-2005 WTC PATH connection to the , which used the original now-demolished Dey Street underpass). However, I'd like to leave this discussion with a selection of ten videos showing the 2WTC, 4WTC, and Oculus entrances, as well as the connection between the and itself. There are also bits showing the restored free underpass connecting One Liberty Plaza to the WTC mall for the first time since 9/11. That should be enough to satisfy @Vtrain, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted January 18, 2018 Share #38 Posted January 18, 2018 The new E to R/W transfer is now shown on the online subway maps at mta.info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted January 18, 2018 Share #39 Posted January 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Italianstallion said: The new E to R/W transfer is now shown on the online subway maps at mta.info. And yet, there is still no official announcement or media coverage of the new connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share #40 Posted January 19, 2018 21 hours ago, P3F said: And yet, there is still no official announcement or media coverage of the new connections. We won't see any more transit news at the WTC until the end of the year when the Cortlandt returns, which is odd because the news did make a deal out of the original WTC connection opening, even though it had been open from some time after 9/11 until 2008. I'd debating whether to download the new map now with the ugly announcements at the bottom or wait until Cortlandt reopens... Do you think this new connection is why the felt comfortable sending an to the terminus, which I believe may be unprecedented? Perhaps they felt safer doing so because the WTC station is now riddled with bullets. Oh, and one last video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share #41 Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 2:36 PM, Italianstallion said: The new E to R/W transfer is now shown on the online subway maps at mta.info. And by the end of the year, it will look like this: ...and I hope that it doesn't change again until the revived goes to Red Hook or the new goes to Hanover Square. In other words, not in this decade or even the next for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted January 20, 2018 Share #42 Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Porter said: And by the end of the year, it will look like this: ...and I hope that it doesn't change again until the revived goes to Red Hook or the new goes to Hanover Square. In other words, not in this decade or even the next for that matter. Damn, the line between WTC and Cortlandt is long. They should swap the positions of the Cortlandt Street station and the FINANCIAL DISTRICT text, so that it doesn't look like everything is really far from everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 20, 2018 Share #43 Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, P3F said: Damn, the line between WTC and Cortlandt is long. They should swap the positions of the Cortlandt Street station and the FINANCIAL DISTRICT text, so that it doesn't look like everything is really far from everything else. The problem is then the label is too close to Fulton St. Really the MTA just needs to adopt the Weekender map full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted January 21, 2018 Share #44 Posted January 21, 2018 23 hours ago, P3F said: Damn, the line between WTC and Cortlandt is long. They should swap the positions of the Cortlandt Street station and the FINANCIAL DISTRICT text, so that it doesn't look like everything is really far from everything else. They could easily shift the yellow R/Ww line northwest, where it is geographically, and put the dot for the R/W station right below the E station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share #45 Posted January 21, 2018 17 hours ago, Italianstallion said: They could easily shift the yellow R/Ww line northwest, where it is geographically, and put the dot for the R/W station right below the E station. The and stations have to align, though. Cortlandt with Cortlandt and Rector with Rector. Compare 2018, 2004, and 1997: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted January 22, 2018 Share #46 Posted January 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Porter said: The and stations have to align, though. Cortlandt with Cortlandt and Rector with Rector. Compare 2018, 2004, and 1997: So just move the #1 station north a bit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 22, 2018 Share #47 Posted January 22, 2018 That part of the map is such a clusterf--k anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 22, 2018 Share #48 Posted January 22, 2018 It's always been a mess. That's why that portion was widened as part of the 2010 map refresh (when everything was brown). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share #49 Posted January 22, 2018 Google Maps seems to think that the Cortlandt Street Station has within a single station... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadcorder Posted January 23, 2018 Share #50 Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Porter said: Google Maps seems to think that the Cortlandt Street Station has within a single station... Google Maps doesn't get the NYC Subway at all. Just use Citymapper or Transitapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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