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Roosevelt Island has just receive two new XD40 buses, #8 and #9, to replace Orions #1 and #4. Photos are on Facebook so far.

 

https://rioc.ny.gov/Board/NB-8.pdf

 

 

PROPOSED RESOLUTION AUTHORIZATION TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH NEW FLYER INDUSTRIES, INC. FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO XCELSIOR D40LF DIESEL BUSES ___________________________________________________________________

 

RESOLVED by the Board of Directors of the Roosevelt Island Operating Corporation of the State of New York, as follows: Section 1. that the RIOC Acting President/Chief Executive Officer or her designee is hereby authorized to negotiate and enter into a contract with New Flyer Industries Inc. for the purchase of two Xcelsior D40LF diesel buses, upon the terms and conditions substantially similar to those outlined in the Memorandum from Cyril Opperman to the Board of Directors/Susan Rosenthal dated June 14, 2016, attached hereto; Section 2. that the Acting President/Chief Executive Officer or her designee shall take such actions and/or execute such instruments as necessary to effectuate the foregoing; Section 3. that this resolution shall take effect immediately.

 

TO: Board of Directors/Susan Rosenthal

FROM: Cyril Opperman

DATE: June 14, 2016 RE: Bus Purchase Request

 

Background

The RIOC Orion Red Bus Fleet is aging and will need to be phased out over time. As the lifespan of these buses comes to an end, wear and tear has taken its toll which has resulted in costly repairs that are becoming more problematic. Moreover, the availability of parts for repairs is limited as Orion Bus Co. has gone out of business (as of 2013). This creates an entire slew of problems – from a supply shortage to more expensive prices from suppliers. Currently, we are looking to replace two busses, Bus #1 and Bus #4. The cost of repairing these two buses (amongst others) is becoming prohibitively expensive, making the purchase of new busses more economically practical. There are two bus types that are being considered, pure diesel and hybrid. The pure diesel models cost less and generally need fewer costly repairs than hybrid buses. In regards to their carbon footprints, the diesel and hybrid versions have almost identical emissions, as evidenced in the chart below. Eventually, the Department of Operations is looking to phase out all seven buses in RIOC’s Orion Red Bus Fleet. Funds have been allotted in the current 6-year budget to replace one bus per year from 2016 through 2022 in order to facilitate continuous service. Carmine Fiore, the New Flyer salesman, will assist us in the bus purchasing process by working with the Transportation Authority (“TA”). This will enable RIOC to purchase buses from the TA’s block order (piggy-backing), speeding up and simplifying the process on RIOC’s end. Costs amount to $468,000 per diesel bus, compared to $659,735 per hybrid bus ($191,735 more expensive). Total costs for two diesel buses amount to $936,000 for two New Flyer Xcelsior D40LF buses. Alternatively, a total of $1,319,470 would be the cost for two New Flyer Xcelsior H40LF hybrid buses. We have recently received a quote from New Flyer for $425,00 per same model bus, with a quote attaced separtely to this document.

 

Procurement Process

The RIOC Operations Department has contacted three commuter bus manufacturers that have offered their prices for low-floor all-diesel models. Below is a summary of the three bids received, including company, model, price and other relevant information. These bids were evaluated based on specifications desired, intercompany history and price. 

 

 

Company Model Type Length/Width Capacity Diesel Price Add. Hybrid Costs

New Flyer Xcelsior D40LF Diesel 40’/102” 40 seated, 25 standing $468,000 $191,735

Nova Novabus LFS Diesel 40’/102” 40 seated, 25 standing $480,000 $200,000

Gilig (Refurbished) Low Floor BRT Diesel 40’/102” 40 seated, 25 standing $450,000 $200,000

 

Recommended Vendor

New Flyer Industries Inc. is our recommended vendor, as they offer competitive pricing, meet all of the Department of Operations requirements and we have a long standing business relationship. New Flyer is the leading manufacturer of heavy-duty buses in the U.S. and Canada, headquartered in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. RIOC and New Flyer have been conducting business together for over 20 years, starting with a purchase of four buses in 1994. A New Flyer bus that was purchased in May of 1994 was put out of service on November 3rd, 2009, lasting over 15 years. This goes to show the reliability and durability of a New Flyer bus. In addition, mechanics knowledge with the company’s buses strengthen our recommendation to award the contract to the company. RIOC’s Department of Operations requests an authorization for a not-to-exceed amount of $468,000 per bus, for a total purchase order of $936,000 for two buses.

 

 

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I'm sorry but this article is BS.... The is NO shortage of Orion parts at all.... New Flyer manufactures them now...... So how is it even possible that there is a shortage?? Not to mention NFI is the largest aftermarket parts suppliers supporting ALL the heavy duty products including Prevost/Nova.... They just wanted new New Flyers. Period... The article states everything! Plus Gillig was the lowest bidder and they passed them up...

 

They don't even have the damn name of the bus right!!! Lmao!!! Xcelsior D40LF??? Politics and favoritism at its best!!!

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I'm sorry but this article is BS.... The is NO shortage of Orion parts at all.... New Flyer manufactures them now...... So how is it even possible that there is a shortage?? Not to mention NFI is the largest aftermarket parts suppliers supporting ALL the heavy duty products including Prevost/Nova.... They just wanted new New Flyers. Period... The article states everything! Plus Gillig was the lowest bidder and they passed them up...

 

They don't even have the damn name of the bus right!!! Lmao!!! Xcelsior D40LF??? Politics and favoritism at its best!!!

While is is true that there is no actual shortage of parts per se, some of the OEM body parts (interior and exterior panels for example) are becoming hard to source. It is true the cost has increased from suppliers of the parts because they are no longer produced in quantities for bus manufacturing. The lead time has also increased because these parts are being manufactured on demand and not continuously to support the manufacturing needs. 

 

Another factor could be the original Orion VIIs were based on the first MTA order for VII OG HEVs which have a earlier version of the BAE hybridrive with different components (such as different type generator etc.) than the later VII OG HEV orders.

 

As for getting New Flyers, the short 2 month turnaround from the purchase being approved to the buses arriving raises some eyebrows with me.

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How could there be so much wear and tear on a bus that does not even go through all the places the MTA's buses go through. If anything these Orion VII's should be in better condition than the ones the MTA's. So most definitely somethings up and they even state that their old D40LF's from 1994 lasted until 2009 so these Orion's are not even at its retirement age.

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While is is true that there is no actual shortage of parts per se, some of the OEM body parts (interior and exterior panels for example) are becoming hard to source. It is true the cost has increased from suppliers of the parts because they are no longer produced in quantities for bus manufacturing. The lead time has also increased because these parts are being manufactured on demand and not continuously to support the manufacturing needs. 

 

Another factor could be the original Orion VIIs were based on the first MTA order for VII OG HEVs which have a earlier version of the BAE hybridrive with different components (such as different type generator etc.) than the later VII OG HEV orders.

 

As for getting New Flyers, the short 2 month turnaround from the purchase being approved to the buses arriving raises some eyebrows with me.

  

 

Ok thanks for the insite bro, but isn't BAE still the supplier for all their parts???

 

How could there be so much wear and tear on a bus that does not even go through all the places the MTA's buses go through. If anything these Orion VII's should be in better condition than the ones the MTA's. So most definitely somethings up and they even state that their old D40LF's from 1994 lasted until 2009 so these Orion's are not even at its retirement age.

My sentiments exactly!

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They have one route. I think they run about 3 buses in the rush.

 

If they don't want them, give them to the TA.

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definitely a unique set up, is it still 25 cents?

It's been free for a while now. They took out the farboxes since it was not very efficient for them to collect the fares in the first place.

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It's been free for a while now. They took out the farboxes since it was not very efficient for them to collect the fares in the first place.

Well that's nice. Great to hear the price went down instead of up for once. 

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Now that we're on the RIOC topic, does anyone remember if the bus went to 21st Street? I recall seeing an RIOC bus picking up an elderly woman about 8 or 9 years ago at 21st Street and Broadway, by LIC.

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Now that we're on the RIOC topic, does anyone remember if the bus went to 21st Street? I recall seeing an RIOC bus picking up an elderly woman about 8 or 9 years ago at 21st Street and Broadway, by LIC.

On occasion when the tram is out (happens very rarely now with these newer independent running ones), they would run the buses from Roosevelt Island to Midtown via Queensbridge.
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Orion VII Gen-II HLF #1 and #2 are up for auction:

 

https://www.aarbids.com/servlet/Search.do?auctionId=2322&itemId=36054

 

https://www.aarbids.com/servlet/Search.do?auctionId=2322&itemId=36055

 

 

 

On occasion when the tram is out (happens very rarely now with these newer independent running ones), they would run the buses from Roosevelt Island to Midtown via Queensbridge.

 

 

I checked the RIOC website. States that a Shopper's Special to Costco is provided for seniors and disabled persons:

 

 

Shopping Bus Service
 
The Shoppers Bus service is available for seniors and disabled persons every Tuesday and Wednesday at 10:30 AM sharp in front of the Senior Center (546 Main Street). Seniors and/or aide must have identification available before boarding the bus. Children are not allowed to ride the Shoppers Bus. Adults 18 and over will be allowed on the Shoppers Bus only if they are assisting a senior or disabled person. COSTCO shoppers must bring shopping bags and/or cart for groceries.
 
First stop: Broadway & 21st Street (about 10:45 AM)
 
Second stop: Costco (about 10:50 AM)
 
Return trip: pick-up passengers at Broadway & 21st Street at 12:30 PM
 
Pick-up at Costco about 12:35 PM
 
Participants of the Shoppers Bus are encouraged to notify the Senior Center 1 day in advance prior to boarding. For more information, please call 212-980-1888.

 

 

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Orion VII Gen-II HLF #1 and #2 are up for auction:

 

https://www.aarbids.com/servlet/Search.do?auctionId=2322&itemId=36054

 

https://www.aarbids.com/servlet/Search.do?auctionId=2322&itemId=36055

 

 

 

 

 

I checked the RIOC website. States that a Shopper's Special to Costco is provided for seniors and disabled persons:

 

 

 

 

Costco in Manhattan?

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Costco in Manhattan?

There's one on Vernon Boulevard in Long Island City.

 

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There's one on Vernon Boulevard in Long Island City.

 

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Right.. I meant that one! Since the bridge to Vernon Blvd is right there and its a short ride.

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What's the deal with these buses once the Cornell Technion buildings are fully open and operational? There are going to be a lot more people on Roosevelt Island once that happens. Is Cornell bringing in buses? Is RIOC buying more buses? 

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What's the deal with these buses once the Cornell Technion buildings are fully open and operational? There are going to be a lot more people on Roosevelt Island once that happens. Is Cornell bringing in buses? Is RIOC buying more buses? 

I think their current fleet is sufficient due to the fact that the buses are timed to the tram, adding cornell will only add a few minutes to the run time. 

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