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Fix & Fortify - 14th Street (L Train) Tunnels Closure

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11 minutes ago, FamousNYLover said:

Which Depots are doing B91 B92 buses?

Look through the Bus threads...

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Keep the discussion to the topic at hand. Off-topic posts will be deleted without notice, such as those previously in this thread.

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Posted (edited)

There is a monthly track inspection on the 14 St line that is given 10 min headways from 10PM till 1 AM on one selected night.

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12 hours ago, Calvin said:

There is a monthly track inspection on the 14 St line that is given 10 min headways from 10PM till 1 AM on one selected night.

Is that why I saw 10 minutes headways on Friday night?

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So I've been on the west coast this whole time, but how bad has it really been since construction started? I haven't seen any crazy (L) news yet...

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9 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Is that why I saw 10 minutes headways on Friday night?

Could be reducing service for 20 min preperation, the website noted an inspection Tuesday night till Wednesday at 5 AM

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Tonight’s there is no (7) in Manhattan.is that affecting (L) riders?

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On 5/11/2019 at 10:30 PM, Calvin said:

There is a monthly track inspection on the 14 St line that is given 10 min headways from 10PM till 1 AM on one selected night.

One day a month no construction. But headways still reduced to 10 minutes but all (L) trains full route on Tuesday night .

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I believe the (L) train start ramping down a little later now but I’ll check subway time tomorrow evening to confirm it

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According to today's L Project Weekly Newsletter, the B91/92 are being replaced with a new B91A route that'll better serve the ridership patterns they've seen. More info here:

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4 hours ago, Enjineer said:

According to today's L Project Weekly Newsletter, the B91/92 are being replaced with a new B91A route that'll better serve the ridership patterns they've seen. More info here:

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how about just drop the link bus and let people walk or use Uber/Lyft/Via/Yellow Cabs, etc. and continue to clog up the street. Shuttle buses or not, the streets of North Williamsburg are clogged, making ANY bus service inadequate. If the MTA would just POST the new (L) schedule for the 20-minute 8 Av-service, people can give themselves the appropriate travel time to make sure they arrive to their station and wait only 2-3 minutes before the (L) comes (ditto goes for waiting for the (M)).

 

When will the MTA accept that people will NOT change their subway routine to ride a bus that is plagued with traffic. When they realize that taxi-car service is also inefficient with price surges in the area and horrendous traffic, they'll see the subway is the best way to go, even if the service is sluggish and barebones at best and nonexistent at its worst.

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30 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

how about just drop the link bus and let people walk or use Uber/Lyft/Via/Yellow Cabs, etc. and continue to clog up the street. Shuttle buses or not, the streets of North Williamsburg are clogged, making ANY bus service inadequate. If the MTA would just POST the new (L) schedule for the 20-minute 8 Av-service, people can give themselves the appropriate travel time to make sure they arrive to their station and wait only 2-3 minutes before the (L) comes (ditto goes for waiting for the (M)).

 

When will the MTA accept that people will NOT change their subway routine to ride a bus that is plagued with traffic. When they realize that taxi-car service is also inefficient with price surges in the area and horrendous traffic, they'll see the subway is the best way to go, even if the service is sluggish and barebones at best and nonexistent at its worst.

Not everyone can use/afford Uber, Lyft, yellow cabs, etc.

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34 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

how about just drop the link bus and let people walk or use Uber/Lyft/Via/Yellow Cabs, etc. and continue to clog up the street. Shuttle buses or not, the streets of North Williamsburg are clogged, making ANY bus service inadequate. If the MTA would just POST the new (L) schedule for the 20-minute 8 Av-service, people can give themselves the appropriate travel time to make sure they arrive to their station and wait only 2-3 minutes before the (L) comes (ditto goes for waiting for the (M)).

  

When will the MTA accept that people will NOT change their subway routine to ride a bus that is plagued with traffic. When they realize that taxi-car service is also inefficient with price surges in the area and horrendous traffic, they'll see the subway is the best way to go, even if the service is sluggish and barebones at best and nonexistent at its worst.

Or how about we install road treatments that'll prioritize buses over cars...

Posting (L) schedules, FWIW, doesn't solve the fact that the (L) doesn't have the capacity to carry any significant volume at 3tph. 

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1 hour ago, RR503 said:

Or how about we install road treatments that'll prioritize buses over cars...

Posting (L) schedules, FWIW, doesn't solve the fact that the (L) doesn't have the capacity to carry any significant volume at 3tph. 

actually it does because believe it or not, when the (L) ran its 4-5 minute weekend frequencies, the only people who were pretty much filling up the train were those who were traveling only between Lorimer St and points WEST (the "overcrowded trains" were only present from Union Square to Bedford Av). Besides that, there was a lot of standing room (and sometimes, even sitting room), so posting the schedule COULD help a little bit, considering that a lot of people have already decided to opt for the (G)(J) and (M) trains (earlier stat reports stating 30%+ rise in (G) ridership and 60%+ increase in (J)(M) ridership and a 50% drop in (L) ridership)

 

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On 6/1/2019 at 6:22 PM, darkstar8983 said:

actually it does because believe it or not, when the (L) ran its 4-5 minute weekend frequencies, the only people who were pretty much filling up the train were those who were traveling only between Lorimer St and points WEST (the "overcrowded trains" were only present from Union Square to Bedford Av). Besides that, there was a lot of standing room (and sometimes, even sitting room), so posting the schedule COULD help a little bit, considering that a lot of people have already decided to opt for the (G)(J) and (M) trains (earlier stat reports stating 30%+ rise in (G) ridership and 60%+ increase in (J)(M) ridership and a 50% drop in (L) ridership)

And this is why on the Manhattan side, I would also have shuttle trains operating ONLY between 1st and 8th Avenue that would begin on the side NOT being used by trains to/from Brooklyn, running in between trains going to/from Brooklyn.  

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With the (M) I'm noticing arriving at Marcy Av to Metropolitan Av, the entire train is crowded around 5:30 PM and another one is crowded too after 7 minutes. 

Calculating timing: If you go on the (L) from 6 Av to Mytrle-Wyckoff Avs, it's the same as the (M) travel but 15-20 minutes is added making it longer in travel time. 

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On 6/1/2019 at 6:22 PM, darkstar8983 said:

actually it does because believe it or not, when the (L) ran its 4-5 minute weekend frequencies, the only people who were pretty much filling up the train were those who were traveling only between Lorimer St and points WEST (the "overcrowded trains" were only present from Union Square to Bedford Av). Besides that, there was a lot of standing room (and sometimes, even sitting room), so posting the schedule COULD help a little bit, considering that a lot of people have already decided to opt for the (G)(J) and (M) trains (earlier stat reports stating 30%+ rise in (G) ridership and 60%+ increase in (J)(M) ridership and a 50% drop in (L) ridership)

 

You do not want people trying to time that (L) once a new schedule comes out , only for other people to do the same and cause a potential dangerous scenario. 

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Keeping Buses Moving on 14 St and the Lower East Side

Updated 6/11/19

If you ride a M14 bus, you’ve likely experienced a longer than expected wait at your stop, a longer than expected trip once you’re on your bus, buses that arrive in bunches and off-schedule, or some combination of the three. During the busiest travel times, M14 A/D buses spend about 60% of their trips stopped at bus stops or in traffic.

On July 1, 2019, in coordination with New York City Department of Transportation, we will launch our plan to fix these issues and keep buses moving. We are bringing Select Bus Service to the M14 A/D.

A map depicting the final planned routing for M14 select bus service.

M14%20SBS%20Final_May%202019_Abingdon_re

Select Bus Service (SBS) is a package of improvements designed to target and correct the circumstances that slow down buses and make service unreliable. Citywide, customers are more satisfied with their SBS bus than their local or limited (LTD) bus.

On July 1, we will introduce to the M14 A/D:

Better bus stop spacing
Off-board fare payment (you may have noticed new machines at your stop)
All-door boarding
Street improvements
M14 SBS Proposal vs M14 SBS Final Plan

Developing SBS for the M14 A/D involved a substantial amount of data collection, analysis, and feedback from the communities served by the routes. We shared our original proposal with communities and elected officials earlier this year to get your feedback.

The final plan incorporates some of that feedback into the service we will provide starting July 1. Some of the stops originally recommended for removal along the A and D branches to help improve reliability and decrease travel time have been restored. We’re also testing out the feasibility of maintaining stops that serve Abingdon Square over the next nine months.

Two maps comparing the original proposed routing for M14 select bus service with the final plan.

Download the route comparisons as a PDF

M14%20SBS%20Final_May%202019_Abingdon%20

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14 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Keeping Buses Moving on 14 St and the Lower East Side

Updated 6/11/19

If you ride a M14 bus, you’ve likely experienced a longer than expected wait at your stop, a longer than expected trip once you’re on your bus, buses that arrive in bunches and off-schedule, or some combination of the three. During the busiest travel times, M14 A/D buses spend about 60% of their trips stopped at bus stops or in traffic.

On July 1, 2019, in coordination with New York City Department of Transportation, we will launch our plan to fix these issues and keep buses moving. We are bringing Select Bus Service to the M14 A/D.

A map depicting the final planned routing for M14 select bus service.

M14%20SBS%20Final_May%202019_Abingdon_re

Select Bus Service (SBS) is a package of improvements designed to target and correct the circumstances that slow down buses and make service unreliable. Citywide, customers are more satisfied with their SBS bus than their local or limited (LTD) bus.

On July 1, we will introduce to the M14 A/D:

Better bus stop spacing
Off-board fare payment (you may have noticed new machines at your stop)
All-door boarding
Street improvements
M14 SBS Proposal vs M14 SBS Final Plan

Developing SBS for the M14 A/D involved a substantial amount of data collection, analysis, and feedback from the communities served by the routes. We shared our original proposal with communities and elected officials earlier this year to get your feedback.

The final plan incorporates some of that feedback into the service we will provide starting July 1. Some of the stops originally recommended for removal along the A and D branches to help improve reliability and decrease travel time have been restored. We’re also testing out the feasibility of maintaining stops that serve Abingdon Square over the next nine months.

Two maps comparing the original proposed routing for M14 select bus service with the final plan.

Download the route comparisons as a PDF

M14%20SBS%20Final_May%202019_Abingdon%20

Guess they arent doing the 10th Av layover plan.

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