Trainmaster5 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #26 Posted January 21, 2017 I talked about major delays on a weekly basis and was dismissed, but it's true. The other day I got on a train running via 7th Avenue. I don't understand how they can't run more service, but there's capacity to run the there when there's a delay on the Lex line. I thought you would figure this one out because it's really easy. Look at the big picture for a minute. to Flatbush, to Flatbush. Flatbush Avenue terminal can handle X amount of incoming trains. Wouldn't matter whether the trains come down the East or West Side. If I add more service to pump up the West side where are those trains supposed to go ? If they're headed for Brooklyn, meaning Flatbush, there would have to be a corresponding cut in service to fit those trains in. With the current configuration of subway service in Manhattan no one is going to cut Lexington Avenue service while the West side has Broadway, Seventh Avenue, CPW 8th and 6th Avenue service. That's why you will see and trains re-routed on the other's lines. Whenever and wherever the original blockage clears up Flatbush Avenue would have enough or trains to resume regular service in the opposite direction. Maybe they can run more or service if they turned those extra trains around old South Ferry loop but that would mean a cut in service to fit those trains in. The Brooklyn terminals ( New Lots, Utica) are pretty much at capacity now and Atlantic Avenue is not an option. Where would you suggest these extra West Side trains go ? Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share #27 Posted January 21, 2017 I thought you would figure this one out because it's really easy. Look at the big picture for a minute. to Flatbush, to Flatbush. Flatbush Avenue terminal can handle X amount of incoming trains. Wouldn't matter whether the trains come down the East or West Side. If I add more service to pump up the West side where are those trains supposed to go ? If they're headed for Brooklyn, meaning Flatbush, there would have to be a corresponding cut in service to fit those trains in. With the current configuration of subway service in Manhattan no one is going to cut Lexington Avenue service while the West side has Broadway, Seventh Avenue, CPW 8th and 6th Avenue service. That's why you will see and trains re-routed on the other's lines. Whenever and wherever the original blockage clears up Flatbush Avenue would have enough or trains to resume regular service in the opposite direction. Maybe they can run more or service if they turned those extra trains around old South Ferry loop but that would mean a cut in service to fit those trains in. The Brooklyn terminals ( New Lots, Utica) are pretty much at capacity now and Atlantic Avenue is not an option. Where would you suggest these extra West Side trains go ? Carry on.I was aware of all of that, but here's my question to you. Do they run fewer trains while the runs via 7th Avenue? Obviously there is less service via Lex. You see what I'm getting at is regardless of the terminal situation, I would think that having trains also running via 7th Avenue would negatively impact and service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted January 21, 2017 Share #28 Posted January 21, 2017 ...having trains also running via 7th Avenue would negatively impact and service That may be true but if they are sending the via 7th it is because they have no better options for routing the when they have to remove it from Lex because Lex is jacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted January 22, 2017 Share #29 Posted January 22, 2017 I was aware of all of that, but here's my question to you. Do they run fewer trains while the runs via 7th Avenue? Obviously there is less service via Lex. You see what I'm getting at is regardless of the terminal situation, I would think that having trains also running via 7th Avenue would negatively impact and service? If things really go downhill the established procedure would be to drop a s/b interval at the terminal while the would see no loss of service except the and would suffer from congestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share #30 Posted January 22, 2017 If things really go downhill the established procedure would be to drop a s/b interval at the terminal while the would see no loss of service except the and would suffer from congestion.It was interesting to note that the train was rather empty (this was during rush hour). I got on but many people didn't. Likely confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantra06 Posted January 22, 2017 Share #31 Posted January 22, 2017 It was interesting to note that the train was rather empty (this was during rush hour). I got on but many people didn't. Likely confused... Likely just waiting for a or train............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share #32 Posted January 22, 2017 Likely just waiting for a or train............Yeah but that would've covered all stops up 135th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 22, 2017 Share #33 Posted January 22, 2017 I didn't use "typical" commuter, hence why I asked for clarification. At least you answered the question that I asked several times. I gave an answer. Not my problem if you didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 23, 2017 Share #34 Posted January 23, 2017 Six increases in 8 years... is a bit much. Something needs to be done about the ridiculous biennial fare increases. Not a week goes by without major delays now- the system is in dire need of repair. Of course the State and City should start properly funding public transportation- but that would require people to hold their elected representatives accountable instead of accepting the status quo and mindlessly voting for politicians because of their party label as opposed to the content of their character. And I'm sure there's also better ways the MTA could handle the money they get from fare revenue, such as use it to speed up the system where possible. But that probably won't happen- it's all a scam, anyway. Just be glad we're not in London. We have it good fare-wise. If I recall correctly, wasn't the agreement to do Biennial increases just another way for the State to not contribute its fair share? Secondly, the revenue only gets half what the MTA needs to run service throughout the day. For a large system wit ha single flat fare and free transfers, the fact they get about half is, in itself, an anomaly. Most other systems that do that get much lower amounts towards operational costs. Somewhere around 20-35 percent of what is needed for daily operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 23, 2017 Share #35 Posted January 23, 2017 Likely just waiting for a or train............ Yeah but that would've covered all stops up 135th... Many riders follow those apps faithfully, if they're at Jay street Metrotech and it tells them to take the to West 4th street, They will wait as and trains go by even if there is a 20 min delay on the (which does happen at times). Also, people feel that there are ghost tunnels/tracks where they'll get on an uptown running on the line and they'll wind up in Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share #36 Posted January 23, 2017 Many riders follow those apps faithfully, if they're at Jay street Metrotech and it tells them to take the to West 4th street, They will wait as and trains go by even if there is a 20 min delay on the (which does happen at times). Also, people feel that there are ghost tunnels/tracks where they'll get on an uptown running on the line and they'll wind up in Queens. LOL... Apparently they do and they're idiots... Just look at a bloody map! That's what happens when too many transplants move here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 23, 2017 Share #37 Posted January 23, 2017 So, therefore when the fare goes to $3.25 in 2019, there shouldn't be any surprise. I'm sure they'll increase the bonus to say, 20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted January 23, 2017 Share #38 Posted January 23, 2017 So, therefore when the fare goes to $3.25 in 2019, there shouldn't be any surprise. I'm sure they'll increase the bonus to say, 20% It might just be easier to just reduce the bonus instead, depending on the inflation rate. An even $3 per ride means less change to give out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 23, 2017 Share #39 Posted January 23, 2017 Do you think that the MTA will go to peak fares once smart cards are used for subway fares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted January 24, 2017 Share #40 Posted January 24, 2017 Do you think that the MTA will go to peak fares once smart cards are used for subway fares? No because that just creates a huge surge right before and right after the end of the peak period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 25, 2017 Share #41 Posted January 25, 2017 According to reporters at the board meeting, it appears that the base fare is not rising to $3.00. The bonus is decreasing to 5% and the 7 Day and 30 Day passes are increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share #42 Posted January 25, 2017 According to reporters at the board meeting, it appears that the base fare is not rising to $3.00. The bonus is decreasing to 5% and the 7 Day and 30 Day passes are increasing. Source?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 25, 2017 Share #43 Posted January 25, 2017 Source?? As of right now, it's just on Twitter. When I see a news article about it, I will post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 25, 2017 Share #44 Posted January 25, 2017 http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/Fare%20and%20Toll%20Increase%20Book%201%2025%2017.pdf Screen Shot 2017-01-25 at 12.43.30 PM by spicker613, on Flickr The title of this thread should now change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share #45 Posted January 25, 2017 http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/Fare%20and%20Toll%20Increase%20Book%201%2025%2017.pdf Screen Shot 2017-01-25 at 12.43.30 PM by spicker613, on Flickr The title of this thread should now change. The 7-Day Express Bus Plus Unlimited Ride MetroCard will increase to $59.50, not $69.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted January 25, 2017 Share #46 Posted January 25, 2017 Confirmed on TV: base subway/bus fares remain unchanged. Good thing too, the subway system is barely worth the $2.75 fare, and the bus system ain't even worth $2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 25, 2017 Share #47 Posted January 25, 2017 The 7-Day Express Bus Plus Unlimited Ride MetroCard will increase to $59.50, not $69.50. Someone at the MTA was being lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share #48 Posted January 25, 2017 Some people are so dramatic : https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170125/midtown/mta-fare-hike-subway-bus-how-much-when-why Samuel Santaella of St. Albans, Queens, who's a member of the Riders Alliance advocacy group, said: "To pay for my MetroCard, I’ve had to give up my cell phone service, not buy new clothes and skip meals toward the end of the month." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 25, 2017 Share #49 Posted January 25, 2017 Some people are so dramatic : https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170125/midtown/mta-fare-hike-subway-bus-how-much-when-why That particular individual and that organization are so melodramatic, that its not even worth listening to them anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share #50 Posted January 25, 2017 That particular individual and that organization are so melodramatic, that its not even worth listening to them anymore... I just saw a picture of this guy and I don't think he can afford to skip any more meals, so not raising the fare should help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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