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Sunnyside Yard's redevelopment plan (Feasibility)

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What's the probability that a LIRR stop in or near the development zone could both allieviate subway congestion and replace Hunterspoint Avenue?

 

I wonder how this development would also affect the bus network over there in Western Queens.

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The report discusses the proposed Sunnyside station briefly on p. 65  but it doesn't study how congestion would be relieved. That station is apparently in the "conceptual design" phase.  If you think the subways from Queens are bad now, wait until this project is built. The report  mentions that local bus ridership has been declining.

 

Interesting that the city seems to have gotten Amtrak on board for this project. That's critical. 

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I notice now Amtrak is attempting to make as much money as possible off of real estate and air rights transactions along the Northeast Corridor.

 

Just last year they pulled the trigger on a deal with SEPTA, Drexel, the City of Philadelphia and Skidmore, Owings and Merrill for the 30th Street Station District Plan, a complicated mixed use/residential/office/research neighborhood built on unused land next to and atop the Penn Coach yards. The first phase is Drexel's Schuykill Yards project, currently underway with the first tower expected to be appearing at the Civil Design Review sometime this spring/ summer.

 

However, I don't think this is the right idea for Sunnyside Yard. Schuykill Yards has its location abutting Center City and University City as its advantage. It can cater to a mix of both existing markets: more research and college oriented on the University City side and more office and residential oriented on the Center City side. This project at Sunnyside isn't so fortunate; its going to have to make the market for itself, out in Western Queens. This isn't likely to work out well.

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I notice now Amtrak is attempting to make as much money as possible off of real estate and air rights transactions along the Northeast Corridor.

 

Just last year they pulled the trigger on a deal with SEPTA, Drexel, the City of Philadelphia and Skidmore, Owings and Merrill for the 30th Street Station District Plan, a complicated mixed use/residential/office/research neighborhood built on unused land next to and atop the Penn Coach yards. The first phase is Drexel's Schuykill Yards project, currently underway with the first tower expected to be appearing at the Civil Design Review sometime this spring/ summer.

 

However, I don't think this is the right idea for Sunnyside Yard. Schuykill Yards has its location abutting Center City and University City as its advantage. It can cater to a mix of both existing markets: more research and college oriented on the University City side and more office and residential oriented on the Center City side. This project at Sunnyside isn't so fortunate; its going to have to make the market for itself, out in Western Queens. This isn't likely to work out well.

 

West Queens is growing, and there is a lot of development in LIC. I think that it could work. It could be an extension of Midtown.

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West Queens is growing, and there is a lot of development in LIC. I think that it could work. It could be an extension of Midtown.

 

Absolutely! W. Queens, especially LI City, is a hot market now. This plan would extend the neighborhood to the east.

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Whats with the obsession with building over rail yards already...Its nice to see all the stored trains from 3 diffrent providers, caternary, the Interlockings ..The manhattan skyline and the Els...Sunnyside is North Americas Largest Passenger yard...Let it be seen! I get it with the Hudson yards and barclays ctr projects but this is Overkill...Dont build over the yard!

 

 

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Whats with the obsession with building over rail yards already...Its nice to see all the stored trains from 3 diffrent providers, caternary, the Interlockings ..The manhattan skyline and the Els...Sunnyside is North Americas Largest Passenger yard...Let it be seen! I get it with the Hudson yards and barclays ctr projects but this is Overkill...Dont build over the yard!

 

 

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This kind of overdevelopment will place too much of a strain on already crowded subway lines.  The city needs to stop rezoning every single neighborhood- what the developers have done to places like Flushing and the residential parts of LIC/Court Square is unsustainable in the long run.  Replacing every duplex and two-story walkup with a 50-floor glass monstrosity is great for the developers but not so for ordinary folks.

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