T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 31, 2017 Share #76 Posted March 31, 2017 You are missing the point here. A third Culver line service would be an increase over the current service and not some silly relabeling.It was mostly in response to Wallyhorse's suggestion for the millionth time to reroute the to the Culver Line and replace it with half the . I certainly don't think that's needed. Perhaps additional local / (or diamond-F) express service should we finally have enough cars and a signal system that can handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted March 31, 2017 Share #77 Posted March 31, 2017 My head hurts from reading all of this. Thank God aonw of you don't work for operations planning. And probably never will.. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 11, 2017 Share #78 Posted April 11, 2017 It might not even be then. Today's AM New York is reporting that the MTA may be reconsidering the express entirely. Complete with political infighting amongst Brooklyn Councilmen, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted April 11, 2017 Share #79 Posted April 11, 2017 Show of hands folks, who's surprised? Crosstown-Culver Local riders are not going to accept a pseudo-service cut to allow for express service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted April 11, 2017 Share #80 Posted April 11, 2017 A "50%" reduction in service is not true as they still have the train. They should try to reopen Bergen Street lower level though 50% reduction of service at every station south of Church Ave. which an express train by-passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 11, 2017 Share #81 Posted April 11, 2017 50% reduction of service at every station south of Church Ave. which an express train by-passes.Under the current plan, express service will only exist north of Church Avenue, so no stations south of Church will see decreased service. Avenues U and X will actually see increased service because the current locals ending at Kings Highway would end at Avenue X instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted April 11, 2017 Share #82 Posted April 11, 2017 50% reduction of service at every station south of Church Ave. which an express train by-passes. The F express would make all local stops south of Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share #83 Posted April 11, 2017 Under the current plan, express service will only exist north of Church Avenue, so no stations south of Church will see decreased service. Avenues U and X will actually see increased service because the current locals ending at Kings Highway would end at Avenue X instead. A perfect spot since the Av X yards are nearby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted April 11, 2017 Share #84 Posted April 11, 2017 Provided the Kings Highway short-turns turn at Church Ave instead and this only takes place in the peak direction this seems like a great idea. Customers south of Kings Highway: Pros: Quicker commutes for nearly all customers Crowding reduced by 50% Cons:Seemingly none* Customers between Kings Highway and Church Ave: Pros: Quicker commutes for nearly 50% of customers, others stay the same (increased wait times will be cancelled out by the quicker service, but customers who take one of the full-length trains anyways will have a net benefit through quicker service) Crowding reduced by 50% Cons: Seemingly none* Customers between Church Ave and Jay St: Pros: Crowding reduced significantly for stations in Park Slope, with there being chances of getting a seat Cons: Waiting times doubled Customers north of Jay St: Pros:Crowding reduced on some trains Cons: Seemingly none* Bonuses: New service is cheaper to run thanks to reduced run-time on the express trains, and earlier turnbacks on the local ones Potential to reduce crowding on the and Really the only people getting the short end of the stick in this deal are Boerum Hill residents, but there are many more riders outside of those stops than inside of those stops, and that's not even including the added bonuses. *People who are going from stations south of Church to a non-express station between Church and Jay in the peak direction only would have to transfer, and north of Kings Highway would have even further increased travel times (this doesn't affect people transferring to the since they can do so at Jay St), and people in the reverse-peak direction going from north of Church St to a stop between Church St and Kings Highway would have doubled wait times due to the short-turns, but I don't think either of these groups are large enough during these time periods to warrant mentioning outside of this footnote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted April 12, 2017 Share #85 Posted April 12, 2017 The report the MTA released says that if it starts the locals from Kings Highway, the expresses would still be slightly more crowded. Also, the issue with starting all those trains at Church is that you might have some congestion with the starting/terminating trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 12, 2017 Share #86 Posted April 12, 2017 If that's the case, have those trains operate to Avenue X, since the local tracks will now be freed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted April 12, 2017 Share #87 Posted April 12, 2017 If that's the case, have those trains operate to Avenue X, since the local tracks will now be freed up. I think it's a safe bet that more people south of Church want the rather than the , since they want to go to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted April 12, 2017 Share #88 Posted April 12, 2017 If that's the case, have those trains operate to Avenue X, since the local tracks will now be freed up. there aren't even enough cars for a extension to Avenue X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 12, 2017 Share #89 Posted April 12, 2017 Well with the coming orders of R179's and R211's, and by the time this gets implemented, I think we will. Besides, if people want direct service to Manhattan, then just wait for the , or take the to Hoyt St, Metropolitan or Court Square for lines that connect to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted April 12, 2017 Share #90 Posted April 12, 2017 The 179s don't even play a part in this. Only 40 of the ordered cars are to built as five-car sets. The 260 remaining cars will all be four-car sets slated to run on the and lines. Also, as we are likely years away from seeing the 211s in service, plans for any major service change must take into account the current fleet roster, not what we can hope to expect in 2020 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted April 15, 2017 Share #91 Posted April 15, 2017 and now the warfare has begun the downtown politicans pulled their support, and now those that want are attacking the downtown yuppies as selfish people http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2017/15/bn-pols-press-f-express-2017-04-14-bk.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 15, 2017 Share #92 Posted April 15, 2017 and now the warfare has begun the downtown politicans pulled their support, and now those that want are attacking the downtown yuppies as selfish people http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2017/15/bn-pols-press-f-express-2017-04-14-bk.html From the comments: Jay from Sunset Park says: If you're going to complain about a lack of transportation options, don't do so in front of a station that has four subway lines. Just saying. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 15, 2017 Share #93 Posted April 15, 2017 Jay from Sunset Park says: If you're going to complain about a lack of transportation options, don't do so in front of a station that has four subway lines. Just saying. I rest my case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted April 16, 2017 Share #94 Posted April 16, 2017 Yeah that was a good laugh... Despite the fact that my stop would be negatively affected by this, I still think it should be done. Greatest good for the greatest number, that's how democracy is supposed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted April 16, 2017 Share #95 Posted April 16, 2017 Yeah that was a good laugh... Despite the fact that my stop would be negatively affected by this, I still think it should be done. Greatest good for the greatest number, that's how democracy is supposed to work. Right! If they could renovate and re-open Bergen LL, that could fix a lot of these issues. At least then there is a transfer point between the and for those taking the . This is also why it's too bad there isn't a way to set up Broadway-Lafayette so you can have the and all stop on the local platform for reasons I noted previously (and with the impending shutdown probably could not happen before 2020 at the earliest anyway due to the obvious need for additional service that I also went into previously elsewhere). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted April 16, 2017 Share #96 Posted April 16, 2017 This is also why it's too bad there isn't a way to set up Broadway-Lafayette so you can have the and all stop on the local platform for reasons I noted previously (and with the impending shutdown probably could not happen before 2020 at the earliest anyway due to the obvious need for additional service that I also went into previously elsewhere). Not again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted April 16, 2017 Share #97 Posted April 16, 2017 and here we go those upstream telling those downstream what they have is good enough, what gives them the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted April 16, 2017 Share #98 Posted April 16, 2017 I believe that the F locals should start at Church Av & the F express at Coney Island with some going into service at Avenue X, maybe there should be a reduction in service south of Church Av. Maybe the solution is to label the express trains as doing just what was noted otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted April 16, 2017 Share #99 Posted April 16, 2017 Maybe the solution is to label the express trains as doing just what was noted otherwise. Eh. Too confusing -- like the train. suffices, IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted April 17, 2017 Share #100 Posted April 17, 2017 Right! If they could renovate and re-open Bergen LL, that could fix a lot of these issues. At least then there is a transfer point between the and for those taking the . This is also why it's too bad there isn't a way to set up Broadway-Lafayette so you can have the and all stop on the local platform for reasons I noted previously (and with the impending shutdown probably could not happen before 2020 at the earliest anyway due to the obvious need for additional service that I also went into previously elsewhere). Not again....Next thing you know you're going to say let's bring back the K..... ....wait a sec..... This post is familiar..... Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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