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Not again....

Next thing you know you're going to say let's bring back the K.....

....wait a sec..... This post is familiar.....

 

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I know that was not going to happen, I was simply noting it's too bad there was not enough capacity to do that as doing so would in this case have more easily allowed for a Culver Express AND given Coney Island riders an 8th Avenue option. 

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I know that was not going to happen, I was simply noting it's too bad there was not enough capacity to do that as doing so would in this case have more easily allowed for a Culver Express AND given Coney Island riders an 8th Avenue option.

But as ive mentioned on FB, what does that leave Fulton St with no C??????

 

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Not again....

Next thing you know you're going to say let's bring back the K.....

....wait a sec..... This post is familiar.....

 

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Why not? (A) to Lefferts, (K) to JF (K) /Far Roc (K) away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" 

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Why not? (A) to Lefferts, (K) to JF (K) /Far Roc (K) away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" 

Well, a few of us here for years have said that the Lefferts (A) should be renamed (K).

 

On that note, I propose the rush hour (5) to Nereid should be renamed (8). 

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Why not? (A) to Lefferts, (K) to JF (K) /Far Roc (K) away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" 

 

Actually, not a bad idea... 

Tourists suck at comprehension, so making it easy for them to get to the airport would be a plus. The number of times I've explained the many terminals of the (A) to tourists defies imagination....

It's even worse when the side signs on the R46s or R32s are broken.

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Well, a few of us here for years have said that the Lefferts (A) should be renamed (K).

 

On that note, I propose the rush hour (5) to Nereid should be renamed (8). 

(K) to JFK is much easier to relay to people.

As for the (8). The (2) should run express as it has more riders and stops north of E180th. And there should less crossover delays around E180th.

 

 

Actually, not a bad idea... 

Tourists suck at comprehension, so making it easy for them to get to the airport would be a plus. The number of times I've explained the many terminals of the (A) to tourists defies imagination....

It's even worse when the side signs on the R46s or R32s are broken.

Right when the signs are broken you have no idea, the conductor is barely audible and they only mention it right when after the doors open. It'll also give the impression of more service:

South of 59th: (A)(C)(E)(K)

North of 59th: (A)(B)(C)(D)(K)

 

When the R179's come:

"This is a Lefferts Blvd bound (A) train"

"This is a Far Rockaway bound (K) train"

And during rush hours the occasional: "This is a Rockaway Park bound (K) train"

 

(as for other arguments) The (C) should stay at Euclid because when issues happen in Queens (Rockaway Blvd signal problems, etc) the (C) is not affected and keeps service running, people wait for the (A) because it's "faster" but when the countdown clocks start working it will more pronounced when the (C) is in the station and the next (A) is in 15 minutes. When I use the Fulton St line, If the (C) comes first I jump on, because you don't know WHEN the (A) will show up.

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(K) to JFK is much easier to relay to people.

 

K for Kennedy? No. (A) is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the (A) is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the (A) when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that.

 

Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work.

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K for Kennedy? No. (A) is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the (A) is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the (A) when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that.

 

Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work.

 

 

The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong).

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K for Kennedy? No. (A) is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the (A) is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the (A) when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that.

 

Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work.

The problem I see is phonetics. (A) and (K) can be misheard, just like (B)(C)(D)(E).

 

Not much of a problem for CPW trains since (B) and (C) stop at the same stations in the tourist zones, (B) and (D) go to the same place in the Bx. Same with (C) and (E). Plus, those trains are familiar since they've been around since forever and now have different rolling stock.

 

Ay and Kay? Problem there. But that's where (MTA) could use NATO phonetics - (A) = Alfa, (K) = Kilo - to identify, call them Blue Line Express to Lefferts or JFK/Rockaways, or redesignate all trains so daytime expresses are numbered and locals are lettered.

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The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong).

Wrong phrasing. I meant from a destination point of view. The Rockaway Branch has the Airport(Not a destination, but a major location none the less), Casino, and Beaches. People all over the city go to those destinations and it would be easier to keep that the (A) so no one has to deal with anymore confusion than there already is.

 

The problem I see is phonetics. (A) and (K) can be misheard, just like (B)(C)(D)(E).

 

Not much of a problem for CPW trains since (B) and (C) stop at the same stations in the tourist zones, (B) and (D) go to the same place in the Bx. Same with (C) and (E). Plus, those trains are familiar since they've been around since forever and now have different rolling stock.

 

Ay and Kay? Problem there. But that's where (MTA) could use NATO phonetics - (A) = Alfa, (K) = Kilo - to identify, call them Blue Line Express to Lefferts or JFK/Rockaways, or redesignate all trains so daytime expresses are numbered and locals are lettered.

Except that wasn't much of a problem when the (K) existed back in the day so why should it now? Or back when the K/KK and J ran together that short time after Chrystie came into existence? Similar routes for most of the way.

 

This is similar to that time Bobthepanda tried to tell me that the signs on stations should not be modified to include trunk colors on the left side of station signs because certain colors cause issues for colorblind people. Like Red and Green don't already embrace for most of their existences on the subway map. Despite the rarity.

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The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong).

 

false, the (A) alternates between Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway all day and evening long (example: off-peak service being 10 + 10 = 20 minute headways on both Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway branches).

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Eh. Too confusing -- like the (9) train. <F> suffices, IMHO

 

I suppose if the express is limited to rush hours only, then it would probably be better to use an <F> designation (which is not on the R46 cars, so the <F> would have to run R160s only). I've always understood the diamond bullets to denote rush hours-only services. But if it runs all day and into the early evening hours, then I think it should get a different letter like (V), because it would be running for a substantially longer time each weekday.

 

And if the (9) is too confusing, then wouldn't the (Z) be just as confusing? Yet we still have a (Z) train. The (9) functioned exactly the same way the (Z) does.

 

K for Kennedy? No. (A) is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the (A) is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the (A) when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that.

 

Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work.

But there's no (A) in Kennedy! Yes, Airport starts with A, but " (K) for Kennedy" is pretty easy to remember. Easier than " (A) for Airport" because we have more than one. Besides, Kennedy Airport didn't even exist when Billy Strayhorn composed "Take the (A) Train" back in 1939. And the (A) was extended to Lefferts Blvd years before it was also extended to the Rockaways, so as the older service, Lefferts should get to keep the letter (A).
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Since your meriting the basis of spliting the branches why not extend the (C) to lefferts rather than create a new letter?

If the (C) were to be extended to Lefferts, it would have to merge with the (A) at Euclid, on top of the two existing merges at Canal and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Renaming the Rockaways trains as (K) trains doesn't necessarily change the number of express trains running and doesn't require local and express to merge a third time. Also makes it much simpler for airport-bound riders to remember which train serves (K)ennedy Airport.
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If the (C) were to be extended to Lefferts, it would have to merge with the (A) at Euclid, on top of the two existing merges at Canal and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Renaming the Rockaways trains as (K) trains doesn't necessarily change the number of express trains running and doesn't require local and express to merge a third time. Also makes it much simpler for airport-bound riders to remember which train serves (K)ennedy Airport.

 

why would you name the Rockaway service to a different letter they associated the (A) train with the Rockaways since the beginning of time , say you are a noob to nyc and you wanted to go to the airport you would take the (A) train not any other train, in that sense then you can rename the lefferts service to either an extended (C) or your malarkey idea of (K) 

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