Lawrence St Posted April 24, 2017 Share #26 Posted April 24, 2017 Why are they renovating Pelham Parkway? Unless they're going to make it into a terminal so Dyre isn't completely shut down during weekends, I don't see a need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 24, 2017 Share #27 Posted April 24, 2017 Why are they renovating Pelham Parkway? Unless they're going to make it into a terminal so Dyre isn't completely shut down during weekends, I don't see a need. Why not? Those stations while not decrepit aren't exactly appealing. They should add some lighting in the area while they're at it. I hate taking the subway up there. The last time I did was only because our express bus broke down and I didn't feel like waiting an hour for the next one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellko Posted April 25, 2017 Share #28 Posted April 25, 2017 Why are they renovating Pelham Parkway? Unless they're going to make it into a terminal so Dyre isn't completely shut down during weekends, I don't see a need. Pelham Parkway on the Dyre line is pretty crummy and dingy looking. Setting up the center two tracks as a pair of terminal tracks would probably be nice too, as a just-in-case thing like you mentioned, but it really doesn't look great down there. Not as bad as, say, BMT Chambers Street, but it's not exactly appealing either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTSTdrive Posted April 25, 2017 Share #29 Posted April 25, 2017 What would happen to the Squire Vickers/Heins & LaFarge station tiles and mosaics of the BMT and IRT if ESI ever reaches them? Would they be restored & preserved, recreated with a different material, or replaced entirely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #30 Posted April 25, 2017 What would happen to the Squire Vickers/Heins & LaFarge station tiles and mosaics of the BMT and IRT if ESI ever reaches them? Would they be restored & preserved, recreated with a different material, or replaced entirely? According to initial press releases, historic tiles will remain. I presume they will get a good cleaning. I'm unsure if the stations with "newer" designs will receive ones more in line with the rest of the route (for example, 57th Street on the getting IND style tiles similar to PABT and Columbus Circle). We'll see with the 4th Avenue stations... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 25, 2017 Share #31 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) According to initial press releases, historic tiles will remain. I presume they will get a good cleaning. I'm unsure if the stations with "newer" designs will receive ones more in line with the rest of the route (for example, 57th Street on the getting IND style tiles similar to PABT and Columbus Circle). We'll see with the 4th Avenue stations... I'd prefer for 57th Street / 6th Avenue to get SAS tiles, actually. That would give it a whole new look. Edited April 25, 2017 by P3F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted April 25, 2017 Share #32 Posted April 25, 2017 But does it have to remain vintage-esque - having custom tiles created to match the weight of the originals instead of the less expensive stuff available now? That's just extra expense at a time of rising fares and falling service levels. And it's not like LACMTA's, MARTA's or WMATA's grooved concrete walls are visually unappealing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #33 Posted April 25, 2017 But does it have to remain vintage-esque - having custom tiles created to match the weight of the originals instead of the less expensive stuff available now? That's just extra expense at a time of rising fares and falling service levels. And it's not like LACMTA's, MARTA's or WMATA's grooved concrete walls are visually unappealing. Yes. Many sections of the subway are in the National Register of Historic Places, plus the NYCT renovation guidelines are preservation based, with modern elements required to resemble preexisting historical elements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #34 Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) But does it have to remain vintage-esque - having custom tiles created to match the weight of the originals instead of the less expensive stuff available now? That's just extra expense at a time of rising fares and falling service levels. And it's not like LACMTA's, MARTA's or WMATA's grooved concrete walls are visually unappealing. To me, they are. I was never a fan of Brutalist designs. Edited April 25, 2017 by LTA1992 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted April 25, 2017 To me, they are. I was never a fan of Brutalist designs. Same here. Its done tastefully on Second Avenue where the only exposed concrete is the roof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RES2773 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #36 Posted April 25, 2017 Shuttle buses are a must. The Q102 can't even handle 10% of the ridership, and the can't in good conscience expect to have people wait 30 minutes for a Q102 or walk to the Q100 to the west or Q101 to the east. I doubt they'll close all the El stations at the same time though. at least they have 31st street for shuttle buses possibly, however the traffic is already high, and the supports for the subway makes things even more difficult. I hope so, but the way they are handling BMT 4th Avenue is not promising... It's a little but different on BMT 4th. the closures are more spaced out, and there are closer and more frequent buses than available for the package two closures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agar io Posted April 26, 2017 Share #37 Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) To me, they are. I was never a fan of Brutalist designs. Same here. Its done tastefully on Second Avenue where the only exposed concrete is the roof. The track-wall tiles are a little bland though. I personally like the original IND color coding better. . Will this also be the case for the Astoria Line stations (since they are all local stations)? Never mind, looks like the Q102 will provide alt service anyway. On the other hand, now it's going to be a much less crowded transfer from the at Queensboro... unless everyone walks to Astoria Blvd... ---- A few more ideas for renovation (based solely on personal observation, also kind of a wishlist): 15 St-Prospect Park 23 St 52 St 69 St Chambers St East Broadway Grand Ave Edited April 26, 2017 by agar io 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted April 26, 2017 Share #38 Posted April 26, 2017 A few more ideas for renovation (based solely on personal observation, also kind of a wishlist): 15 St-Prospect Park 23 St 52 St 69 St Chambers St East Broadway Grand Ave The problem is that most of these are very well-used stations (excepting the Prospect Park one). They've shied away from doing transfer stations, so Chambers is unfeasible (and that'd take a hell of a lot more than 6 months...) I assume most of these will be in "Phase Two" or whatever - they can only get so much done at once 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted April 26, 2017 Share #39 Posted April 26, 2017 Here's the plan from what I can decipher from the procurement page: In no particular order (as of now) 30th Avenue and 36th Avenue will close together, one platform at a time. Broadway and 39th Avenue will close together, one platform at a time. From what I can see, the four stations will not all close at the same time (at least not in the same direction.) The Queens bound platforms will need temporary staircases at some point during the project, but the Manhattan bound platforms do not require such arrangement. Package 3 (the 8 Av/CPW stations) will involve full station closures, and package 4 (except Penn Station) will also. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share #40 Posted April 26, 2017 Here's the plan from what I can decipher from the procurement page: In no particular order (as of now) 30th Avenue and 36th Avenue will close together, one platform at a time. Broadway and 39th Avenue will close together, one platform at a time. From what I can see, the four stations will not all close at the same time (at least not in the same direction.) The Queens bound platforms will need temporary staircases at some point during the project, but the Manhattan bound platforms do not require such arrangement. Package 3 (the 8 Av/CPW stations) will involve full station closures, and package 4 (except Penn Station) will also. Here are some screenshots of that presentation (great find!) and some new renderings: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 26, 2017 Share #41 Posted April 26, 2017 Notice how there is now an R160 in the R rendering. It also says Forest Hills-71 St on one of the signs in another image. Really great find! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share #42 Posted April 26, 2017 Notice how there is now an R160 in the R rendering. That's actually a brand new rendering, and the first I've seen of Bay Ridge Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted April 26, 2017 Share #43 Posted April 26, 2017 I see they brought back those line maps from Lhota's (?) tenure. That's cool. I do wish they'd do something about those refrigerator tiles though. Oh well... Also, it is nice to get some clarity on the station closures, especially those in Queens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 26, 2017 Share #44 Posted April 26, 2017 Do we know which stations are in phases 5-8? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 26, 2017 Share #45 Posted April 26, 2017 It would be good if they could close 1 half of the stations of the astoria line. Like one station would be closed in astoria direction and the following stop closed in manhattan direction. So passengers wouldn't have to walk that far for the next stop. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 26, 2017 Share #46 Posted April 26, 2017 Here are some screenshots of that presentation (great find!) and some new renderings: Just look at the image for Packages 5-8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 26, 2017 Share #47 Posted April 26, 2017 Wait why does it say on the Queens stations? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 26, 2017 Share #48 Posted April 26, 2017 Wait why does it say on the Queens stations? This was done before the November changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share #49 Posted April 27, 2017 Just look at the image for Packages 5-8. Since this is a document intended for contractors bidding on Packages 1-4, there is no image for 5-8 other than that general map. Do we know which stations are in phases 5-8? Package 5: -Classon Av -Clinton-Washington -Flushing Av -Nostrand Av -Van Siclen Av Package 6: -3 Av-138 St -E149 Street -Brook Av -Pelham Parkway -Westchester Sq Package 7: -Northern Blvd -67 Av -Parsons Blvd Package 8: -145 St -167 St -174-175 Sts Package 8+: Richmond Valley SIR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 27, 2017 Share #50 Posted April 27, 2017 Since this is a document intended for contractors bidding on Packages 1-4, there is no image for 5-8 other than that general map. Package 5: -Classon Av -Clinton-Washington -Flushing Av -Nostrand Av -Van Siclen Av Package 6: -3 Av-138 St -E149 Street -Brook Av -Pelham Parkway -Westchester Sq Package 7: -Northern Blvd -67 Av -Parsons Blvd Package 8: -145 St -167 St -174-175 Sts Package 8+: Richmond Valley SIR The reason why I pointed to the map was because the stations can be clearly seen from there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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