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On 1/24/2019 at 11:24 PM, Alucard said:

At the employment center yesterday there were about 50 or so individuals called from this list, process ranged in time for some [those who were already mta employed, and those not] but it lasted about 8 hours, going from station to station. Seems everyone there went for "final processing" but honestly it didn't seem like anything final, just procedural. Individuals were called to interview in supposed list order, but not sure what the final results of anything were. Whether individuals were hired, or told they'll contact you or something different. Maybe some on the board were there as well.

Odd things:

They asked for quite a few documents to be brought in, but never asked for them.

The letter to come to the location arrived a day prior to actually having to go in [can only guess this made some miss the letter/date & not show up] Tight scheduling

And yes, mention of a hiring freeze. Got the feeling the 50 were there for a small handful on openings, if any. All in all a strange experience for sure. 

Do you remember how many days of difference there were between the date the letter was sent and the date you actually got the letter? The reason I'm asking this because I'm hoping to get called for the second batch interview. It seemed strange to me that they called the first batch after the expiration of the certification list. 

Besides, can you shed some light on the activities at the employment center? Was it paperwork only or did you go through interview as well? If yes,was it a panel interview? 

I would like to thank all the people who contributed to this thread. It's hard to find info on MTA hiring process let alone find info on a particular exam. This is a great example of community blogging. Keep up the good work people. 

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BronxRider...

The letter was dated 1/18, it was mailed [from Brooklyn] and arrived after the MLK holiday on 1/22, requesting people show up on 1/23. If you sense that that was very tight timing, I can only imagine some missed the date entirely due to mail being delayed or just not checking their mail with that sense of urgency. Very poor protocol in my opinion there on TA's part.

Certainly the first batch was called, but there were no hires [per someone at TA employment] the list was sent back to dcas and there was a subsequent new certification that didn't include anyone one the first certification, so essentially the new certification begins with around eligible rank #60. Again very strange, as the people who were in 1-59 are no longer on an outstanding certification. How that makes sense I can't figure out, the higher scoring individuals aren't at this time seemingly eligible for appointment. 

In regards to the employment center, expect to wait [if you are in TA already you will get expedited it seems & be out of there much faster, but 5-8 hours seems average] You will enter into there as go through "final processing" which is quite a misnomer, as nothing is final, and you might interview but the letter you get will explicitly state that by the time you are to interview, positions may already have been filled by individuals in front of you. So if you're say 1-10 on the next called group [the will interview in rank order] you might get a shot. But, it would honestly appear that, there is an explicit hiring freeze & any and all hiring for this title/position must get approved, so you're interviewing for a position that might be fictional. Honestly there is not too much paper work, you maybe sign a couple of forms, they collect your letter, you wait to get called for an interview which may be panel, 2 or 3 people, and it's going to run like a mill. They will interview,, and tell you there is a hiring freeze and there is no true position. Now this was the story for the first group, your experience might differ. 

Until the hiring freeze ends, I would not expect much to happen on this title. It likely deemed non critical to operations & seeing the financial perils they are in it might just be another cost saving measure. If you do get a letter certainly will be informational to let the board know. Good Luck.

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The Department of Citywide Administrative Services has certified sections of the eligible lists below for appointments and promotions in city agencies, subject to the 1-in-3 rule. Some of the appointments and promotions may already have been made.

 

TRANSIT MANAGEMENT ANALYST TRAINEE—252 eligibles between Nos. 11.5 and 298 on List 7606 to replace 14 provisionals at NYC Transit.

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1 hour ago, Pathway said:

The Department of Citywide Administrative Services has certified sections of the eligible lists below for appointments and promotions in city agencies, subject to the 1-in-3 rule. Some of the appointments and promotions may already have been made.

 

TRANSIT MANAGEMENT ANALYST TRAINEE—252 eligibles between Nos. 11.5 and 298 on List 7606 to replace 14 provisionals at NYC Transit.

Pathway, just curious what is the source that provided that info you stated above(looks like a copy and paste)? [As that 14 ties into the certification list # stated of number of vacancies] 

Also to be exact, the actual eligibles for DCAS current certification #69446 that expires on 3/15, are #s 11.5, 28.5, and #s 60-298, the block from #1-59 [except 11.5 & 28.5] are not on the current outstanding certification.

 

I'd be curious if this occurs normally, it just seems odd that the block that had the lower ranked listings are not eligible, while those higher are. Just seems odd, especially considering there we no fills from the initial lower ranked group.

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4 hours ago, Alucard said:

BronxRider...

The letter was dated 1/18, it was mailed [from Brooklyn] and arrived after the MLK holiday on 1/22, requesting people show up on 1/23. If you sense that that was very tight timing, I can only imagine some missed the date entirely due to mail being delayed or just not checking their mail with that sense of urgency. Very poor protocol in my opinion there on TA's part.

Certainly the first batch was called, but there were no hires [per someone at TA employment] the list was sent back to dcas and there was a subsequent new certification that didn't include anyone one the first certification, so essentially the new certification begins with around eligible rank #60. Again very strange, as the people who were in 1-59 are no longer on an outstanding certification. How that makes sense I can't figure out, the higher scoring individuals aren't at this time seemingly eligible for appointment. 

In regards to the employment center, expect to wait [if you are in TA already you will get expedited it seems & be out of there much faster, but 5-8 hours seems average] You will enter into there as go through "final processing" which is quite a misnomer, as nothing is final, and you might interview but the letter you get will explicitly state that by the time you are to interview, positions may already have been filled by individuals in front of you. So if you're say 1-10 on the next called group [the will interview in rank order] you might get a shot. But, it would honestly appear that, there is an explicit hiring freeze & any and all hiring for this title/position must get approved, so you're interviewing for a position that might be fictional. Honestly there is not too much paper work, you maybe sign a couple of forms, they collect your letter, you wait to get called for an interview which may be panel, 2 or 3 people, and it's going to run like a mill. They will interview,, and tell you there is a hiring freeze and there is no true position. Now this was the story for the first group, your experience might differ. 

Until the hiring freeze ends, I would not expect much to happen on this title. It likely deemed non critical to operations & seeing the financial perils they are in it might just be another cost saving measure. If you do get a letter certainly will be informational to let the board know. Good Luck.

Alucard, Thank you for the thorough response. I can understand why so many people eventually give up on mta or city jobs. I guess at this point we don't have any choices other than waiting. 

I'll certainly  post here if I get the letter and share my experience. 

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On 3/4/2019 at 11:17 PM, Alucard said:

Pathway, just curious what is the source that provided that info you stated above(looks like a copy and paste)? [As that 14 ties into the certification list # stated of number of vacancies] 

Also to be exact, the actual eligibles for DCAS current certification #69446 that expires on 3/15, are #s 11.5, 28.5, and #s 60-298, the block from #1-59 [except 11.5 & 28.5] are not on the current outstanding certification.

 

I'd be curious if this occurs normally, it just seems odd that the block that had the lower ranked listings are not eligible, while those higher are. Just seems odd, especially considering there we no fills from the initial lower ranked group.

I saw that from The Chief newspaper.

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Posted (edited)

On NYC open data, 3 new certification lists have been added with some variation. Here is the summary of new lists:

Cert Issue No.   List  starts @           List ends @         Cert Date         Cert Expiration Date     No. Certified      No. Requested      Provisional Replacement      No Vacancies      Salary

69658                    28.5                          468                       3/5/19                 4/4/19                             92                      100                             N                                          100                      49055

69659                  152                            462                        3/5/19                4/4/19                              9                         100                            N                                          100                      46225

69660                  66                              449                        3/5/19                4/4/19                             54                        100                           Y                                            100                      46225

Some from the second certification list (69446)  are absent in the new lists. I really don't know what to interpret from these new lists. I hope +Young+ or Alucard can provide some insight regarding this issue.

Did anyone get the letter for the 2nd batch interview?

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8 hours ago, BronxRider said:

Some from the second certification list (69446)  are absent in the new lists.

Well this certification [in 3 batches] went and made 155 individuals onto a new outstanding certification list, along with the other 252 on the previous [this one however will expire in a week] Can't say that we can read too much into the list since it's become essentially an inactive list, meaning it's not moving. I think some of it is TA HR having to process something on a certain time basis to/from dcas. But these certifications have shown no continuity. The pieces of data are usually erroneous at times [ie on the 659/660 certifications, the salary data is from the NOE, vs the current] The number of openings states 100, but that's just a number, it would constitute 20% of the whole list and that doesn't seem likely. 

Until someone actually gets appointed from this list [who is a non TA individual, as they could just slide over on title if they are already in there] then this list of eligible individuals seems to be going nowhere. Least that's how I see it. Unless they hire, the list will not move. The certifications does allow them to call individuals in, but if there's no job the whole thing ends up just being keep busy work for the employment center.

As to why some got left off, no clue, These 3 certifications seems very random in picking by list number, it skips all over the place. What I do know is when batches get called in the true order does get recognized, so you can take a batch of all groups and rankings, but when you get in they will sort all by list/rank order for processing and interviews, so there is a bit of an equalizer there.

I suggest if you want more actual details on this list to call the employment center [347-643-7413] & ask for the individual that is working or responsible for this particular list/title. they perhaps can shed some light on if there is any true momentum outside of the data lists. the young lady there, I didn't get her name but she was forthright with information & about the process, just ask. Might be a a task tho to get to her, the first person that picks up will have to have some knowledge or experience, if not ask them to ask someone who the individual is that handles the TMAs lists.

9 hours ago, BronxRider said:

Did anyone get the letter for the 2nd batch interview?

Honestly, this might have never occurred. Even though that 2nd certification existed, it very well could be that nothing progressive happened past it. Hiring freeze definitely a major hindrance. 

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6 hours ago, Alucard said:

Honestly, this might have never occurred. Even though that 2nd certification existed, it very well could be that nothing progressive happened past it. Hiring freeze definitely a major hindrance. 

This seems to be the only plausible explanation at this point. I couldn't get any further information from the employment center.

I heard about the hiring freeze too from a NYCT employee. But isn't there a state law that requires state/city agencies to replace provisional workers once a list for a position has been established? Now I have no idea about the required time frame mandated by the law. And a hiring freeze will indeed hinder the hiring of new nonessential employees. But IMO if that law does exist, MTA is bound to replace the provisional employees off the list at some point in future. 

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3 hours ago, BronxRider said:

But isn't there a state law that requires state/city agencies to replace provisional workers once a list for a position has been established?

This sounds accurate, however with these exams being administered once a decade it seems to run a bit different than most other lists. I would think that there were people working at TA who were provisional, say interns or college aides/students, that were given the provisional tittle contingent on passing or getting onto the eligible list. So I am sure some of the provisional individuals took this exam, and as I said they likely can slide into title. It was odd during the initial call in that there were individuals who were with TA as Associate Level TMAs and were there for this trainee list. I didn't know what to make of that, whether they took in as a requirement to be "in title" or what. 

The more you read on the state of TA and the chaos that seems to be brewing over control/revenues/fares etc the more murky hiring becomes in a cost conscious environment. Not filling anyone from this list is a roughly $23M cost savings at its base, much less employee benefit costs etc. The hiring freeze has been mentioned since August 2018 in some publications, and there really doesn't really seem to be any relenting as of yet. They also have the capacity to wait and establish the higher level TMA lists & take from there instead. Initially it was nice to see this list get established, but the more time that erodes, it would probably have been better suited had the list not been established until the hiring freeze thawed a bit. Maybe by November [one year into the list establishment] it will be a bit clearer as to how it's going. 

 

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Posted (edited)

It would appear that on DCAS Open Data the last sets of outstanding certification expired on 4/4 and no new one has been established. It very well could be that due to all current restraints [financial turmoil, hiring freezes, overtime issues at TA being brought to light] that this list might just not go anywhere for a good while [if ever at all] For the list, there is no more outstanding certifications, so it's truly at a standstill. Have to wonder if there have been in the past established eligible lists that never filled and just went to expiry.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-transit-union-finances-cbc-20190430-z6hj2qm33bagllcdc6jhdiqqfq-story.html

https://cbcny.org/research/reform-bargaining-table

This was quite interesting https://nypost.com/2019/04/20/sanitation-department-to-trash-supervisors-exam-because-of-suspected-cheating/

Guess the way most of these exams are administered, some set of individuals always have a first look at what's to come.

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