The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Share #1 Posted May 1, 2017 I've been holding on to this tidbit of information for about two months now, but I was told that the MTA would be buying 200 Ex-Toronto Transit Commission 2003-04 Orion VII Gen-II Diesels. These units are Detroit Diesel Series 50EGR Powered with Allison B400R Transmissions This article by TimeOut confirms that: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/the-mta-just-bought-200-diesel-busses-to-use-during-the-l-train-shutdown-043017 A couple of my connects from Toronto had told me that officials from the MTA was up there to look at the fleet a while back and hold told me that this purchase was forthcoming, at the time I had no idea why the MTA would be 200 used Diesel buses when we were buying a frig-ton of new buses, but this makes sense as keeping our older buses would not be as reliable as these units that are newer and that have received a rotisserie-all around rebuild in 2013-2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 1, 2017 Share #2 Posted May 1, 2017 Very interesting... Do we know when they are coming and where they might run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted May 1, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 1, 2017 I've been holding on to this tidbit of information for about two months now, but I was told that the MTA would be buying 200 Ex-Toronto Transit Commission 2003-04 Orion VII Gen-II Diesels. These units are Detroit Diesel Series 50EGR Powered with Allison B400R Transmissions This article by TimeOut confirms that: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/the-mta-just-bought-200-diesel-busses-to-use-during-the-l-train-shutdown-043017 A couple of my connects from Toronto had told me that officials from the MTA was up there to look at the fleet a while back and hold told me that this purchase was forthcoming, at the time I had no idea why the MTA would be 200 used Diesel buses when we were buying a frig-ton of new buses, but this makes sense as keeping our older buses would not be as reliable as these units that are newer and that have received a rotisserie-all around rebuild in 2013-2014. Great info! Is the plan to basically burn through these buses as subway shuttles for the rest of their useful lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted May 1, 2017 Very interesting... Do we know when they are coming and where they might run? As the linked article itself states, that these buses are being bought for the L Train Shuttle shutdown services. Great info! Is the plan to basically burn through these buses as subway shuttles for the rest of their useful lives? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTSTdrive Posted May 1, 2017 Share #5 Posted May 1, 2017 Detroit Diesel Orion VIIs (CNG or not) just cant leave NYC can they lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 1, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 1, 2017 As the linked article itself states, that these buses are being bought for the L Train Shuttle shutdown services. Ah, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted May 1, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 1, 2017 Oooo, this is cool. I thought they were just gonna keep the older ones around. Has a re-numbering scheme been proposed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 1, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 1, 2017 OMG! I can finally comment!!! Lol. Thanks for the post Trevor! This was the "other order" MTA was working on that I mentioned would hit everyone with a left curve! Since that cat is out that bag, we can go on and add this to the future fleet roster. That was one of the hardest secrets I ever had to keep!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 1, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 1, 2017 I hope at least some buses would not just see Shuttle service. Would want to see some of these buses do service in MTA Bus, though I doubt that can be a reality. But give us something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted May 1, 2017 Before commenting about what we need and what these are for, READ THE ARTICLE, these buses are for the L Train Shutdown Shuttle Services in partnership with the XD60s that will be assigned to Grand Avenue. Once this shuttle is done, 9 times out of 10, all 200 of these buses will be retired. We do not have enough buses in our fleet to cover regular services, regular weekend shuttles and THIS shuttle service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 1, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 1, 2017 OMG! I can finally comment!!! Lol. Thanks for the post Trevor! This was the "other order" MTA was working on that I mentioned would hit everyone with a left curve! Since that cat is out that bag, we can go on and add this to the future fleet roster. That was one of the hardest secrets I ever had to keep!!! Ah, so thats what the "200 Standard 40 foot buses NYCT (To be awarded April 2017)" on the Fleet & Depots page were for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted May 1, 2017 Its supposed to be the 7400-7500 Series from TTC which can be see in this video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTSTdrive Posted May 1, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 1, 2017 Will they come in mta colors (blue stripe or blue/yellow) or will they keep ttc colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted May 1, 2017 Will they come in mta colors (blue stripe or blue/yellow) or will they keep ttc colors They will definitely arrive to us in TTC colors, whatever else would be done upon arrival here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted May 1, 2017 Share #15 Posted May 1, 2017 To keep costs down. if these are just going to be used for subway shuttles, I hope they don;t bother re-painting them and just slap MTA decals on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 1, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 1, 2017 The longer we have DD50 buses on our streets, the better in my mind. This is one out of left field and a surprisingly old fleet for the MTA to invest in, but TTC does keep care of their buses, and I can see this shaping up something like the Bee-Line O5 investment (another meticulously preserved fleet which was run into the ground put to good use). Appreciate this update a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted May 1, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 1, 2017 I'm just glad they're not going to Bus routes. *cough* Westchester is still laughing at us *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted May 1, 2017 To keep costs down. if these are just going to be used for subway shuttles, I hope they don;t bother re-painting them and just slap MTA decals on them If they throw fareboxes in them, its fair game. If not, then they will just be used for the Shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted May 1, 2017 Share #19 Posted May 1, 2017 They're buying 14 year old buses? (Past their normal lifespan). Why don't they just do a big overhaul of some of our VII's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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danielhg121 Posted May 1, 2017 Share #21 Posted May 1, 2017 They're buying 14 year old buses? (Past their normal lifespan). Why don't they just do a big overhaul of some of our VII's? Facts. What's wrong with running the VII's? Just gotta give them a new tank, right? I may be totally wrong. This will be interesting. They should run these on the Q34 short turn lolz Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 1, 2017 Share #22 Posted May 1, 2017 They're buying 14 year old buses? (Past their normal lifespan). Why don't they just do a big overhaul of some of our VII's? Completely overhauled by TTC in 2013-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted May 1, 2017 Share #23 Posted May 1, 2017 They're buying 14 year old buses? (Past their normal lifespan). Why don't they just do a big overhaul of some of our VII's? Facts. What's wrong with running the VII's? Just gotta give them a new tank, right? I may be totally wrong. This will be interesting. They should run these on the Q34 short turn lolz Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Do you know how much it costs to retank a CNG bus? It is a much cheap option to buy used buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share #24 Posted May 1, 2017 They're buying 14 year old buses? (Past their normal lifespan). Why don't they just do a big overhaul of some of our VII's? These buses went through a down to the frame rehab in 2013-2014, they are in FAR better shape that MOST of our own Orion VIIs. Also, if you're referring to the outgoing Orion 7 CNGs, the tanks are about to expire. The cost to re-certify new tanks cost more per bus than what we're paying for these used Diesels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted May 1, 2017 Share #25 Posted May 1, 2017 The MTA finally got the Orion VII diesels they always wanted To keep costs down. if these are just going to be used for subway shuttles, I hope they don;t bother re-painting them and just slap MTA decals on them Honestly if they're only going to be used for subway shuttle services, they might as well. Maybe slap SUBWAY SHUTTLE on it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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