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BREAKING: Governor Declares MTA State of Emergency

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And yet his own budget for the MTA strips funding for new signals. Two-faced, lying, and dishonest. He apparently builds the Second Ave Subway by hand, goes on a tour saying he doesn't run the MTA that he runs, and now this latest performance.

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I'm so relieved that this happened after the South Ferry Station and SAS opened (so long, new phases). I just hope this doesn't muck up plans for the Cortlandt Street Station, not to mention the new WTC IND and BMT subway connections like the free (E)(R)(W) transfer.

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Cortlandt St is not in any danger of being cancelled. The shell is already there with most of the major work already completed. All that's left are the utilities and the finishes.

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And yet his own budget for the MTA strips funding for new signals. Two-faced, lying, and dishonest. He apparently builds the Second Ave Subway by hand, goes on a tour saying he doesn't run the MTA that he runs, and now this latest performance.

I saw his presser last Friday where someone brought up how he had MTA control, and not only did he lie about that ("I don't know who runs the MTA"), but when someone mentioned the two winter systemwide shutdowns that he ordered, he also said "That wasn't me, that was Prendergast that ordered those shutdowns."

 

Mind you, Prendergast had already RETIRED when this years winter shutdown occurred.

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Cortlandt St is not in any danger of being cancelled. The shell is already there with most of the major work already completed. All that's left are the utilities and the finishes.

 

Are the funds already earmarked? Is the money there for these utilities and finishes? The opening date got pushed back slightly to August 2018 and is in danger of being pushed back much further. I'm not sure what to think...

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Are the funds already earmarked? Is the money there for these utilities and finishes? The opening date got pushed back slightly to August 2018 and is in danger of being pushed back much further. I'm not sure what to think...

 

They're not going to underfund it. Relax. 

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There goes that twitch again.

 

Shifting back to the article, it appears Cuomo is having a bit of difficulty figuring out why the older train cars are still around. "They literally should be in a museum," Cuomo said in reference to the 52+ year old R32 class of cars. "That is just ridiculous. I could build a car in five years. If the MTA's current vendors can't provide them in the timeframe we need, then the MTA should find new vendors. It's that simple."

 

Really Andy? Once again, this shows just how out of touch he is with his agency here. As we all know here, the 32s would not even be around, at least not in the numbers we currently see had the 44s not been forced to retire because of defects. That's what happens when a car order is deferred to after there is a car shortage. Remember, the 179 order was originally supposed to be an additional option of the 160s, and later was supposed to be ordered in 2011 as a much larger order. Budgetary restraints caused the numerous delays and order shrinkage to its present state, which remind you, will not be enough to fully replace the aging 32s and 42s.

 

Then there's the issue of the bidding process, not just with the 179s, but in general. The MTA is basically forced to use the lowest bidder for pretty much everything, which limits the potential car builders to either Bombardier or Alstom/Kawasaki. As the former won the 179 contract with the lowest costs, we're stuck with them as the car builders for this class, despite their corporate problems as of late. While it would've been possible to shift the order from Bombardier to Kawasaki, the only other bidder in this project if I'm not mistaken, the order would still be delayed and we'd be in the same predicament. If Cuomo wants more builders to actually take an interest in our car order requests, the MTA will have to seriously consider abandoning the lowest bid practice. I'm not sure if it's actually possible for them to do so, but that is the only way to branch out from the same two car builders.

 

This is why I don't believe Cuomo will actually do anything besides blow hot air in regards to fixing the subway. I really want something to come from his recent initiatives, but I'm not holding my breath. At least I know I'll be able to charge my phone though. Small victories I suppose.

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Here is what needs to be done!

Amend the Capital Program again!

Take out all money for the Enhanced Station Initiative. Some stations on the Astoria Line and 138th were going to be repaired so do normal renovations. That saves $900 million. Don't waste the money on the Mets-Willets Point Renovation. That saves about $200 million. The LIRR third track plan is flawed and now it is not a priority when the subway system is crumbling. Redirect that $1.5 billion. Don't waste money on wi-fi and chargers. Don't spend money on Moynihan. That leaves $3 billion to be used for signals, track, and other necessary repairs. It is drastic, but these things are just putting lipstick on a pig.

That's just my 300 billion cents.

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Sure, some people might complain about doing all that, but given all the problems of late, redirecting the $3 Billion towards subway infrastructure and other things that are much more urgent are the right thing to do. 

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I hate to bring this up, but Lhota DID say when he ran against DeBlasio for mayor, that "under DeBlasio, N.Y. will go back to the hellhole of the 80's." I think with all these breakdowns and delays, I think what he said may be true. All we need now is graffiti, and we have the authentic 1980's NYC.

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He can't help it... "FiDi" fever...  :lol:

 

Well, FiDi is the nucleus of New York City as a whole, and everywhere else exists merely in relation to it...

 

...in my opinion.

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All he needs is his tag team partner Senator Schumer to open his mouth too (surprised we haven't heard anything from him)

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Well, FiDi is the nucleus of New York City as a whole, and everywhere else exists merely in relation to it...

 

...in my opinion.

Yeah no. Historically the Financial District may have been the nucleus, but now there is Midtown, Midtown East, Hudson Yards, Downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City which can all be considered nucleuses of NYC and all as important as each other.

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Politicians only know how to do 3 things:

 

-Whine

-Point fingers

-Enact half measures to make it look like they're doing something when they're really not.

 

Check, check, and check.

 

Remember who vetoed lock box legislation to prevent the state from raiding dedicated MTA payroll taxes from being stolen by the state to fix state budget issues (non MTA)?

 

Remember who cut the MTA's share of state funding?

 

Remember who "promised" billions in funding to the MTA, then turned around and told the MTA it was authorized to borrow that much and could pay interest to banks on it, rather than receiving money from the state that didn't require interest payments?

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Yeah no. Historically the Financial District may have been the nucleus, but now there is Midtown, Midtown East, Hudson Yards, Downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City which can all be considered nucleuses of NYC and all as important as each other.

 

The WTC was/is the north star of the entire metropolitan region, making it the nucleus. That sadly won't last forever, though, since they decided to neuter the new one, and new, taller towers will be built in midtown and uptown (it's already happening). I don't buy into that 1776 feet crap; 1WTC was 1,368 feet tall before and (some years) after 9/11.

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The WTC was/is the north star of the entire metropolitan region, making it the nucleus. That sadly won't last forever, though, since they decided to neuter the new one, and new, taller towers will be built in midtown and uptown (it's already happening). I don't buy into that 1776 feet crap; 1WTC was 1,368 feet tall before and (some years) after 9/11.

 

It hasn't been the nucleus since the first half of the 20th century. It still is really important.

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Cuomo really is a idiot isn't he? I was just reading the article and it shows just how much out of touch this idiot is.

 

I'm telling you, if the R44's had not had their defects and retired early, we would have a different system today, with LITTLE to no R32's being left in the system. Speaking of which, what's the miles between failures on the 32's vs the 46's?

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I hate to bring this up, but Lhota DID say when he ran against DeBlasio for mayor, that "under DeBlasio, N.Y. will go back to the hellhole of the 80's." I think with all these breakdowns and delays, I think what he said may be true. All we need now is graffiti, and we have the authentic 1980's NYC.

 

We have quite a long ways to go before we get back to the 'good ol' days'. Murders and violent crime are still at all time lows.

 

The WTC was/is the north star of the entire metropolitan region, making it the nucleus. That sadly won't last forever, though, since they decided to neuter the new one, and new, taller towers will be built in midtown and uptown (it's already happening). I don't buy into that 1776 feet crap; 1WTC was 1,368 feet tall before and (some years) after 9/11.

 

You know the WTC was built to make Lower Manhattan relevant again, right? It was already declining as a hub by that time.

 

WTC, when fully built out, has more office space than both the old complex and all of Downtown Atlanta. It just isn't getting built because, quite frankly, no one is going to fill up all that space. Office rents in Lower Manhattan have been declining for a long time, and opening 1WTC only made the entire situation worse.

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You know the WTC was built to make Lower Manhattan relevant again, right? It was already declining as a hub by that time.

 

WTC, when fully built out, has more office space than both the old complex and all of Downtown Atlanta. It just isn't getting built because, quite frankly, no one is going to fill up all that space. Office rents in Lower Manhattan have been declining for a long time, and opening 1WTC only made the entire situation worse.

Right.  The WTC was built because Lower Manhattan was considered to be dying as early as 1962 or so and was practically a ghost town after the markets closed at 3:00 PM (as they did until 1969).   The old WTC as I remember had trouble filling up as well.

 

As others have noted, the area today is actually more residential than office space.  It might have been better to rebuild the old "not quite twin" towers of 30 and 50 Church Street (where the old Hudson Terminal PATH station was) and more smaller buildings.  

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How does this kind of scandal stay hidden? Aren’t there any reporters with ethics that want to get the word out with a big investigative scoop? These facts are literally out in the open!

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How does this kind of scandal stay hidden? Aren’t there any reporters with ethics that want to get the word out with a big investigative scoop? These facts are literally out in the open!

 

You have to keep in mind that

 

1. The problem was bad in the past, but it's spiraled out of control only within the last few years

2. Local journalism is slowly dying. NYT pivoted to more national news, NYDN and the Post are struggling, the tiny local newspapers are all folding.

3. Editor bias. Most newspaper staff tend to be better educated, and thus rely less on the transit system, or live and work in neighborhoods where the subway is nicer (there's a night and day difference between Broadway Lafayette and ENY). If it doesn't affect them, they see less of a need to report it.

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