BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 30, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2017 Here are all the major bus schedule and service changes starting July 2, 2017. Some service changes are additions and reductions as anticipated. LOCAL: Bronx: Bx8 - Service will operate every 20 minutes towards Williamsbridge on Saturdays between 8:30-9:30 AM instead of every 30 minutes - Service will operates every 20-25 minutes towards Locust Point on Saturdays between 9:30-10:45 AM and 5:45 PM-6:30 PM instead of every 30 minutes. - Many Saturday afternoon buses now run 15 minutes later towards Locust Point http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx008cur.pdf Bx12 - Service more frequent throughout the day and runs to Orchard Beach (summer schedule begins) http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx012cur.pdf Bx15 - LIMITED trips originating at the Hub at 5:43 AM, 6:22 AM, 6:58 AM, and 7:50 AM towards Harlem now originates at 3 Ave & E 168 St at 5:34 AM, 6:12 AM, 6:47 AM, and 7:38 AM respectively http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx012cur.pdf Bx22 - Last trip to Bedford Park from Castle Hill is now at 9:00 PM instead of 9:10 PM http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx022cur.pdf Bx29 - Service will operate every 20 minutes instead of every 15 minutes during the early AM rush. - Two new trips to City Island will operate at 12:15 AM and 12:45 AM from Bay Plaza, Tuesday through Saturday. - Two new trips to Bay Plaza will operate at 12:40 AM and 1:10 AM from City Island, Tuesday through Saturday. - Service will operate every 20 minutes during Saturday daytime instead of every 15-20 minutes. - Service will operate every 20 minutes instead of every 30 minutes during weekend afternoon and evenings - Two new trips to Bay Plaza will operate at 1:25 AM and 1:55 AM, Sunday morning - One new trip to City Island will operate at 1:30 AM, Sunday morning - Two new trips to Bay Plaza will operate at 12:30 AM and 1:00 AM, Monday morning - Two new trips to City Island will operate at 12:00 AM and 12:30 AM, morning morning http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx029cur.pdf Bx40/Bx42: - The 8:43 AM Bx42 weekday trip from River Park Towers to Throgs Neck will now terminate at Westchester Square at 9:36 AM. Customers must transfer to the 9:36 AM Bx42 originating from Westchester Square to Throgs Neck for continuing service - Combined Service will operate every 6-9 minutes in the weekday late AM and midday periods instead of every of every 8-10 minutes - There will be one weekday Bx42 running to SUNY Maritime, departing the River Park Towers at 12:35 PM. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx040cur.pdf Other Minor Changes: Bx10 redistribution of PM service: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx010cur.pdf Bx16: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx016cur.pdf Bx20: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx020cur.pdf Bx31: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx031cur.pdf Bx32: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bronx/bx032cur.pdf Brooklyn: B2: - Service will operate every 30 minutes during weekday midday periods instead of every 20 minutes. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b002cur.pdf B31: - Service will operate 30 minutes during weekday midday periods instead of every 20 minutes. - Service will operate every 12 minutes instead of every 15 minutes during the late PM rush periods. - Service will operate every 20 minute during weekday early evening periods instead of every 15 minutes. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b031cur.pdf B32: - Service will operate every 20 minutes between 8-9 AM towards Long Island City instead of every 30 minutes. Service will remain running every 30 minutes at other times. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b032cur.pdf B45: - Service will operate every operate every 20 minutes on Sunday afternoons instead of every 15 minutes. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b045cur.pdf B60: - 1:30 AM trip from Williamsburg to Canarsie (Tuesday to Saturday) are cut. - 12:15 AM trip from Williamsburg to Canarsie (Sunday) are cut (for whatever reason, the 12:35 AM trip is listed on the Saturday schedule, so it looks like it's cut, but it's not). - Service will operate every 15 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays instead of every 10-12 minutes. - Service will operate every 20 minutes on late Saturday afternoons instead of every 15 minutes. - Service will operate every 30 minutes on late Saturday evenings instead of every 20 minutes. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b060cur.pdf Other Minor Changes: B11 Evening increases: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b011cur.pdf B14: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b014cur.pdf B24: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b024cur.pdf Manhattan: M9: - Will operate every 10 minutes instead of every 15 minutes from 1:35-2:05 PM towards Battery Park City on weekdays - Will operate every 12 minutes instead of every 15 minutes from 2-3 PM towards Bellevue on weekdays http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m009cur.pdf M101: - A new 5:35 AM LIMITED trip will operate from Fort George to East Village, on weekdays - The current 8:20 PM LTD weekday trip from Fort George will now become two local trips departing at 8:23 PM and 8:27 PM - The current 8:30 PM weekday local trip from Fort George will become a LIMITED trip - Additional 8:48 PM and 9:00 PM trips from East Village to 96 Street added on weekdays - The 9:04 PM weekday local trip from East Village to Fort George will become a LIMITED trip - The weekday 10:23 PM weekday local trip from East Village to 96 Street will be discontinued - The 11:48 AM and 11:55 AM Saturday local trips from 100 Street to 6 Street will be discontinued http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m101cur.pdf M103: - Service will operate every 10 minutes instead of every 12 minutes from 2:45-4:05 PM to City Hall on weekdays, and from 4:36 PM-6:06 PM to East Harlem http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m103cur.pdf Other Minor Changes: M1: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m001cur.pdf M7: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m007cur.pdf M11: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m011cur.pdf M15: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m015cur.pdf M20: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m020cur.pdf M23 SBS: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m023scur.pdf M34/M34A SBS: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m034scur.pdf M96: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m096cur.pdf M102 redistribution of short-turns:http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m102cur.pdf M116: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/manh/m116cur.pdf Queens: Q5: - Less frequent rush hour service http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q005cur.pdf Q22: - Service via Jacob Riis Park denoted http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/q022cur.pdf Q31: - AM & PM rush service adjusted for summer demand; runs every 10-15 minutes instead of every 6-10 minutes - Early evening service runs every 30 minutes instead of every 20 minutes on weekdays - The 11:35 PM weekday trip from Bayside to Jamaica is discontinued http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q031cur.pdf Q35: - Service via Jacob Riis Park denoted http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/q035cur.pdf Q46: - Less frequent daytime service - More LTD service over weekday local service during the AM rush to Kew Gardens http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q046cur.pdf Q54: - Less frequent daytime service - Fewer short-turns http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q054cur.pdf Q67: - Service will operate every 10 minutes instead of every 12 minutes from 6:05 AM - 7:05 AM towards LIC (weekdays) - Service will operate every 8 minutes instead of every 12 minutes from 7:35 AM-8:15 AM towards LIC (weekdays) - Service will operate every 15 minutes towards Middle Village in the AM rush instead of every 12 minutes - The 5:20 AM and 5:35 PM trips to Middle Village will be combined into a 5:30 AM trip (weekdays) - PM rush adjustments - The 7:00 PM trip from Middle Village to LIC will leave 20 minutes later, at 7:20 PM (weekdays) http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/q067cur.pdf Q76: - Service adjusted for summer demand - Service operates every 12-15 minutes during the rush instead of every 10 minutes http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q076cur.pdf Q77: - Service adjusted for summer demand - Service operates every 12-15 minutes during the rush instead of every 5-10 minutes http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q077cur.pdf Q84: - Buses originate in Laurelton at 237 Street & 129 Avenue instead of Laurelton Parkway & 130 Avenue - New 4:43 AM trip from Laurelton to Jamaica added (weekdays) - More frequent AM rush service - Service adjusted for summer demand - Weekday service in PM runs every 10-15 minutes instead of every 5-15 minutes http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q084cur.pdf Q85: - New 9:56 AM LIMITED trip from Rosedale to Jamaica - Service operates every 8-9 minutes instead of 7-8 minutes during weekday middays http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q085cur.pdf Q111: - The trip leaving Rockaway Turnpike & Peninsula Boulevard at 3:22 PM will originate in Rosedale at 3:39 PM - The 2:15 PM trip from Jamaica to Cedarhurst will terminate in Rosedale instead Other Minor Changes: Q6: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/q006cur.pdf Q59: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q059cur.pdf Staten Island: S40: - Overnight trips depart 10 minutes earlier towards St. George http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s040cur.pdf S54: - Adjusted for summer demand - Service operates every 20 minutes instead of every 8-15 minutes in the AM rush http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s054cur.pdf S79 SBS: - Slightly more frequent service between 5-6 AM to Bay Ridge, from 6-7 AM to Staten Island Mall http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s079scur.pdf Other Minor Changes: S42/52: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s052cur.pdf S44/94: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s044cur.pdf S46/96: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s046cur.pdf S57: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s057cur.pdf S59: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s059cur.pdf S61/91: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s061cur.pdf S62/92: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s062cur.pdf S76/86: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s076cur.pdf EXPRESS: BM1: - The current weekday 3:00 PM making all stops to Mill Basin will depart 15 minutes earlier, at 2:45 PM. http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bm001cur.pdf QM15: - All Saturday departures to Lindenwood depart 34 Street & 3 Avenue five minutes later http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/qm015cur.pdf X27/37: - Additional bus from 8-9 AM. http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/xpress/x027cur.pdf Other Minor Changes: BxM1: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm1cur.pdf BxM2: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm2cur.pdf BxM3: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm3cur.pdf BxM4: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm4cur.pdf BxM6: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm6cur.pdf BxM7: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm7cur.pdf BxM8: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm8cur.pdf BxM9: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm9cur.pdf BxM10: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm10cur.pdf BxM11: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm11cur.pdf BxM18: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/bxm18cur.pdf QM7/QM8: http://web.mta.info/busco/schedules/qm007cur.pdf X28/38: http://web.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/xpress/x028cur.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 30, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 30, 2017 The Express Bus Changes are minor, but I should add something: Bronx/Yonkers: -There have been ongoing whispers about major cuts to the BxM4 if ridership doesn't start picking up. We saw a overall improvement in ridership, but not by much. I would continue to observe that situation closely. I'm sure Woodlawn would raise hell, but it's something that drivers out of Yonkers have to be watching as well. Notice that the BxM4 runs later than it used to back to Woodlawn. The last bus is now 00:05... The idea was to encourage ridership... -Another line to watch is the BxM3. Riverdale: -The BxM1 and BxM2 schedules have been aligned and made more uniform. Ridership appears to be doing better from my observations. I've been using both the BxM1 and BxM2 and they've been getting good loads. The line to watch is the BxM18. Continues to suffer from terrible run times. I haven't used it quite a while. I've also been raising hell about drivers leaving the terminals late on purpose to avoid running hot. It has to stop. I am sick seeing QM express bus rolling down 6th Avenue on time and the BxM2 coming 10 minutes late after rush hour. As I said, if they have too much run time (which is not the case), adjust the damn schedule. -Something else I've noticed... VERY long lines for the BxM8 and BxM10. Seems like those buses have been terrible in terms of reliability of late. Yesterday there were three BxM6 buses running together. I took the second out of the third to get to my meeting. Queens/College Point lines: -The BxM9 has been reliable of late. Not sure if College Point has anything to with that or not, but I would also add that the QM buses seem to be on time at night. QM2, QM5, QM6 and QM20 all right on time after peak hours. Brooklyn: -BM express buses are still in trouble. Trips are simply taking far too long. Last Saturday it took me almost two hours on the BM3 to get from 23rd street to Sheepshead Bay. Had a driver arguing with EVERYONE that got on about them using their cell phone, meanwhile he's there chit-chatting for the entire trip with another passenger. No wonder trips are taking so long. Too much yacking, and not enough driving! Spring Creek needs a major overhaul. They must have too many part-timers that don't give a damn about providing prompt service. -X28: Buses were a mess last weekend, but I've been very pleased with the rides I've had thus far. Very courteous drivers who work hard to try to get to your destination promptly despite the terrible traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted June 30, 2017 The Express Bus Changes are minor, but I should add something: Bronx/Yonkers: -There have been ongoing whispers about major cuts to the BxM4 if ridership doesn't start picking up. We saw a overall improvement in ridership, but not by much. I would continue to observe that situation closely. I'm sure Woodlawn would raise hell, but it's something that drivers out of Yonkers have to be watching as well. Notice that the BxM4 runs later than it used to back to Woodlawn. The last bus is now 00:05... The idea was to encourage ridership... -Another line to watch is the BxM3. Riverdale: -The BxM1 and BxM2 schedules have been aligned and made more uniform. Ridership appears to be doing better from my observations. I've been using both the BxM1 and BxM2 and they've been getting good loads. The line to watch is the BxM18. Continues to suffer from terrible run times. I haven't used it quite a while. I've also been raising hell about drivers leaving the terminals late on purpose to avoid running hot. It has to stop. I am sick seeing QM express bus rolling down 6th Avenue on time and the BxM2 coming 10 minutes late after rush hour. As I said, if they have too much run time (which is not the case), adjust the damn schedule. -Something else I've noticed... VERY long lines for the BxM8 and BxM10. Seems like those buses have been terrible in terms of reliability of late. Yesterday there were three BxM6 buses running together. I took the second out of the third to get to my meeting. Queens/College Point lines: -The BxM9 has been reliable of late. Not sure if College Point has anything to with that or not, but I would also add that the QM buses seem to be on time at night. QM2, QM5, QM6 and QM20 all right on time after peak hours. Brooklyn: -BM express buses are still in trouble. Trips are simply taking far too long. Last Saturday it took me almost two hours on the BM3 to get from 23rd street to Sheepshead Bay. Had a driver arguing with EVERYONE that got on about them using their cell phone, meanwhile he's there chit-chatting for the entire trip with another passenger. No wonder trips are taking so long. Too much yacking, and not enough driving! Spring Creek needs a major overhaul. They must have too many part-timers that don't give a damn about providing prompt service. -X28: Buses were a mess last weekend, but I've been very pleased with the rides I've had thus far. Very courteous drivers who work hard to try to get to your destination promptly despite the terrible traffic. The QM's have been operating better during the off-peak hours, I agree. During the rush though, that can change. The BxM4 is a route where keeping it as it is will not do much for the route. The ridership is limited to mainly Woodlawn, plus whatever riders get on in Norwood. There are also some Concourse riders, but they are a big number. I wouldn't cut the BxM4, but if it does happen, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. The BxM3 should be fine though. Regarding the BM's, well, blame the MTA (and ATU 1181) for letting it get to that point. The MTA and it's mentality should have raised Spring Creek's then-union. That never happened, so part-timers and a horrendous schedule is what everyone is left with. I don't know what TWU at Spring Creek will bring, but bus operators who will actually do what they're suppose to are needed. It will be hard to restore some of the lost bus service to Manhattan. Those areas of Brooklyn are literally the only areas in the entire city where express bus service ends that early. Total disregard to travel patterns, especially since people do go out in the evening to the city to party and whatnot (on top of those going to work and using the express bus). If anything, some service should be restored on the BM1 and BM3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 1, 2017 Share #4 Posted July 1, 2017 Regarding the BM's, well, blame the MTA (and ATU 1181) for letting it get to that point. The MTA and it's mentality should have raised Spring Creek's then-union. That never happened, so part-timers and a horrendous schedule is what everyone is left with. I don't know what TWU at Spring Creek will bring, but bus operators who will actually do what they're suppose to are needed. It will be hard to restore some of the lost bus service to Manhattan. Those areas of Brooklyn are literally the only areas in the entire city where express bus service ends that early. Total disregard to travel patterns, especially since people do go out in the evening to the city to party and whatnot (on top of those going to work and using the express bus). If anything, some service should be restored on the BM1 and BM3. The Brooklyn express bus network, if I can even call it that, needs a complete overhaul to match 21st century ridership patterns. Frankly, all the express bus routes do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted July 1, 2017 Share #5 Posted July 1, 2017 It's nice to see the MTA came to their senses and didn't include Bx12 +SBS service in these changes. What express buses need are to be marketed toward the masses. As a mass transit system the last thing you should be doing is putting coach buses and a high fare premium onto buses that are not much different from local buses except for the whole traveling non-stop on a highway thing. I've been on here several times saying you need to lower the fare for express buses and run artics instead of coaches and I refuse to back down from that. If in NYC (where Manhattan is as lively as it is 24/7) and the busiest express bus you can find carries 6k per weekday from a subway desert in Staten Island that's when you know express buses are being left for dead. Total express bus usage is actually pathetic even before the recent declines in usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #6 Posted July 1, 2017 It's nice to see the MTA came to their senses and didn't include Bx12 +SBS service in these changes. What express buses need are to be marketed toward the masses. As a mass transit system the last thing you should be doing is putting coach buses and a high fare premium onto buses that are not much different from local buses except for the whole traveling non-stop on a highway thing. I've been on here several times saying you need to lower the fare for express buses and run artics instead of coaches and I refuse to back down from that. If in NYC (where Manhattan is as lively as it is 24/7) and the busiest express bus you can find carries 6k per weekday from a subway desert in Staten Island that's when you know express buses are being left for dead. Total express bus usage is actually pathetic even before the recent declines in usage. Most cities that I know of run express bus service and run it with coach buses. There is no need to use artics if a bus runs every 30 minutes and lowering the fare won't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #7 Posted July 1, 2017 How is that one Bx42 to SUNY maritime gonna run? Sent from my iPad using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted July 1, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 1, 2017 Most cities that I know of run express bus service and run it with coach buses. There is no need to use artics if a bus runs every 30 minutes and lowering the fare won't make a difference. I would like to know which cities these are because the examples I can pull off the top of my head are of cities that don't use coach buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #9 Posted July 1, 2017 I would like to know which cities these are because the examples I can pull off the top of my head are of cities that don't use coach buses.Ever heard of NJT?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted July 1, 2017 Share #10 Posted July 1, 2017 Ever heard of NJT?? Yes I have. Point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted July 1, 2017 A lot of cities use either a mix of coach buses and transit buses, or coach only buses for the commuter/express bus service. Albany, White Plains, and Syracuse come into mind within NY State, as well as Boston, Hartford, Baltimore, DC, Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, Oakland, San Francisco, Austin, Cleveland, etc. There's probably several more cities which I feel I'm missing right now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 1, 2017 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2017 It's nice to see the MTA came to their senses and didn't include Bx12 +SBS service in these changes. What express buses need are to be marketed toward the masses. As a mass transit system the last thing you should be doing is putting coach buses and a high fare premium onto buses that are not much different from local buses except for the whole traveling non-stop on a highway thing. I've been on here several times saying you need to lower the fare for express buses and run artics instead of coaches and I refuse to back down from that. If in NYC (where Manhattan is as lively as it is 24/7) and the busiest express bus you can find carries 6k per weekday from a subway desert in Staten Island that's when you know express buses are being left for dead. Total express bus usage is actually pathetic even before the recent declines in usage. Why in the world should we get rid of coach buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted July 1, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 1, 2017 Ever heard of NJT??NJT uses Neoplan transit buses for some routes to/from PABT. TBH, all the express buses in all the cities I've lived in or spent extended time in never used coaches unless the service was run by Amtrak. Even LA - which runs express buses and built busways on highways use transit buses. The four transit agencies in SF Bay do the same, as do the services that take San Joaquin Valley residents to BART. All to speed up boarding and alighting (rear doors). I think using coaches is a East Coast/BOS-WASH megalopolis thing. EDIT: Las Vegas used to use coaches on express and local buses in the 80s. Why in the world should we get rid of coach buses?On time performance, disabled access improvement. When I rode the Shortline to Ramsey NJ daily, all it took was one wheelchair rider to ruin OTP since it's a chore to get that rider on and off the bus. Same if there were multiple passengers getting on and off at the same stop because of the single door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #14 Posted July 1, 2017 To be fair, the X1's numbers don't include the ones for the rush hour variants. Off the top of my head, I think around 17,000 riders use the Hylan express buses per weekday. But at the same time, that number would likely be higher if the fare was lower. A lot of people are taking the SIR to the ferry or local bus to the over taking the express bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 1, 2017 Share #15 Posted July 1, 2017 What express buses need are to be marketed toward the masses. As a mass transit system the last thing you should be doing is putting coach buses and a high fare premium onto buses that are not much different from local buses except for the whole traveling non-stop on a highway thing. I've been on here several times saying you need to lower the fare for express buses and run artics instead of coaches and I refuse to back down from that. If in NYC (where Manhattan is as lively as it is 24/7) and the busiest express bus you can find carries 6k per weekday from a subway desert in Staten Island that's when you know express buses are being left for dead. Total express bus usage is actually pathetic even before the recent declines in usage. Lowering the fare on express buses & stripping the current fleet of them from MCI's to (whatever), will not spur express bus growth in Staten Island..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted July 1, 2017 Share #16 Posted July 1, 2017 Lowering the fare on express buses & stripping the current fleet of them from MCI's to (whatever), will not spur express bus growth in Staten Island..... My express bus critique is not just based on Staten Island. The local bus and subway network does Staten Island commuters no justice and those are still more popular than express buses are. The general public is speaking loud and clear over all 4 outer boroughs saying that express buses are currently not worth the fare premium. In a world where they're not worth the premium the maintenance costs of a separate fleet of coach buses is just wasteful. My main problems with the use of coach buses are the added maintenance costs they require and the fact that you're signaling to riders the service provided by them is premium in nature. When folks think of coach buses services like Greyhound and Megabus come to mind and those are more expensive than a transit ride. Just the premium signal alone deters users. An urban mass transit operator is in NO business to be operating premium service, if people demand such let a private or suburban operator take care of them. I'm all for express buses because there is a place in the network for them. They should NOT be operated as premium services however and I feel that if they were not usage would skyrocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #17 Posted July 1, 2017 My express bus critique is not just based on Staten Island. The local bus and subway network does Staten Island commuters no justice and those are still more popular than express buses are. The general public is speaking loud and clear over all 4 outer boroughs saying that express buses are currently not worth the fare premium. In a world where they're not worth the premium the maintenance costs of a separate fleet of coach buses is just wasteful. My main problems with the use of coach buses are the added maintenance costs they require and the fact that you're signaling to riders the service provided by them is premium in nature. When folks think of coach buses services like Greyhound and Megabus come to mind and those are more expensive than a transit ride. Just the premium signal alone deters users. An urban mass transit operator is in NO business to be operating premium service, if people demand such let a private or suburban operator take care of them. I'm all for express buses because there is a place in the network for them. They should NOT be operated as premium services however and I feel that if they were not usage would skyrocket. You're assuming a lot. You're assuming that the cost is the sole reason why there's less ridership. That is not the case because if it was, then other premium services like Metro-North would NOT be seeing record ridership. The fare isn't so much the issue but rather congestion, and bus service in general is in DECLINE, so let's not act like because people pay $2.75 that usage will skyrocket. We also need to remember that express buses were put in place to eliminate two or three fare zones, so by theory they're going to be slightly more as a result since the idea is they're providing a one-year ride that should be faster than making a gazillion transfers. If I need to go to the East Side via subway and transfer to another bus, I'm going to have a LONG commute, and pay $5.50, and I know because I've tried it in the last. Meanwhile, for a dollar more, I can have a one seat ride to my destination. I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding the purpose of commuter buses but are fine with commuter rail trains. Their purpose is the same really. Bring people who live far out into the CBD (Central Business District). Express buses are not perfect, but the alternative is even more horrendous especially for someone who lives in a very hilly area like mine. Walking home from the subway is a very tedious, time-consuming and difficult task, so a bus is a must either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #18 Posted July 1, 2017 A while back I remember reading Artics only have 5 extra seats or so than coach buses do. NJ transit has single door transit buses that run on express bus routes, so their express fleet isn't 100 percent MCI. The 107 is an express route and they use transit buses. As for using the BM to the city for a night out, from what I understand the nightlife in Manhattan South of Central park is mainly in the East/West village which the BM don't serve, the off peak BM should follow ethier the x1 or the up exp routes from midtown to downtown. Always thought it was stupid that BM off peak went on the FDR for a few exits then got off to serve downtown, BM skips 14 Street entirely smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted July 1, 2017 Share #19 Posted July 1, 2017 Many Queens routes (including Q5, Q31, Q46, Q76, Q77, Q84, Q85) have their service levels reduced every summer and restored in the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #20 Posted July 1, 2017 Many Queens routes (including Q5, Q31, Q46, Q76, Q77, Q84, Q85) have their service levels reduced every summer and restored in the fall. Many Queens routes have service cut as much as possible. So much for those worthless politicians out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40MntVrn Posted July 1, 2017 Share #21 Posted July 1, 2017 Reduce the fare, sure. I can see that. Reduce the fare and get rid of the coaches? That would really leave express routes dead in the water. Even if you were to bring the fare down to a dollar more than the local fare, the allure of an "Express" route would be gone if an Artic pulled up. Hell, even DART in Delaware uses Motor Coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted July 1, 2017 Share #22 Posted July 1, 2017 Bx40/Bx42: - The 8:43 AM Bx42 weekday trip from River Park Towers to Throgs Neck will now terminate at Westchester Square at 9:36 AM. Customers must transfer to the 9:36 AM Bx42 originating from Westchester Square to Throgs Neck for continuing service This is something relating to deadhead times, right? - There will be one weekday Bx42 running to SUNY Maritime, departing the River Park Towers at 12:35 PM. Ummm, ok, that's strange considering at that same time there's a Bx40 that goes to the Bx42 terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted July 1, 2017 How is that one Bx42 to SUNY maritime gonna run? Sent from my iPad using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Likely the Bx42 until Harding Avenue, and then the Bx40 route to Fort Schuyler. 1) This is something relating to deadhead times, right? 2)Ummm, ok, that's strange considering at that same time there's a Bx40 that goes to the Bx42 terminal. 1) Most likely. Good look transferring (for those who take that trip). Since buses are almost always behind schedule, I bet that more often than not, that connecting bus will just leave at the designated time 2) I looked at the schedules to see what the runtimes were to see if it was an error or not. The 12:35 PM to Fort Schuyler takes 79 minutes. The previous bus to Fort Schuyler takes 77 minutes. The trip after also takes 79 minutes, but then again, runtimes keep increasing during those hours from end to end. It may be a formatting issue or something, so IDK what the full story is with those trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted July 1, 2017 Share #24 Posted July 1, 2017 Many Queens routes have service cut as much as possible. So much for those worthless politicians out there. Politicians may be worthless but no point in protecting school bus service when school is out. As for your earlier statement on QM buses, IDK what you're talking about with those buses running on time. For some reason everytime i wait for a QM bus at Herald, there are always a bunch of buses parked, and when I talk to the B/O's they're all like, "I leave in an hour I'm not the next bus." With the next bus arriving 5-10 min late from the middle of nowhere. It makes me wonder if the bus ahead of your's is so early WTH is your bus doing late. Recently I've been using the LIRR for a buck more I can save 40min - 1hr20min on my bus ride. At this point I'm only using express buses for joy rides where time isn't a concern. ... Also the BM routes are the worst in the city IMO Bad Drivers, bad runtimes, late, infrequent, inconvenient routes, etc... I've never been on a BM bus with more than 10 ppl, including me some buses struggle reach 5 passengers. This really concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share #25 Posted July 1, 2017 Politicians may be worthless but no point in protecting school bus service when school is out. As for your earlier statement on QM buses, IDK what you're talking about with those buses running on time. For some reason everytime i wait for a QM bus at Herald, there are always a bunch of buses parked, and when I talk to the B/O's they're all like, "I leave in an hour I'm not the next bus." With the next bus arriving 5-10 min late from the middle of nowhere. It makes me wonder if the bus ahead of your's is so early WTH is your bus doing late. Recently I've been using the LIRR for a buck more I can save 40min - 1hr20min on my bus ride. At this point I'm only using express buses for joy rides where time isn't a concern. ... Also the BM routes are the worst in the city IMO Bad Drivers, bad runtimes, late, infrequent, inconvenient routes, etc... I've never been on a BM bus with more than 10 ppl, including me some buses struggle reach 5 passengers. This really concerns me. Forget about school bus service. Queens has seen a steady reduction of bus service, especially express bus service, not to mention the ridiculous LIRR fares. When I get the QM's they always load up in advance if anything and leave on-time. Usually the QM2. Same deal with the QM5 and QM6. QM15 tends to run hot at times on weekends especially. The BMs see the most usage during the rush. Buses can be quite crowded. Outside of that it's but or miss. The BM1 tends to do the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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