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On 1/14/2019 at 9:29 PM, bobtehpanda said:

Short of requiring drivers to submit GPS data to the government, it'd be pretty much impossible.

That's my guess though, because

- Woodhaven/Cross Bay have no major destinations on them other than QCM, which is popular but not enough to explain all the traffic in the area.

- More importantly, Woodhaven is the only major continuous north-south road for quite a while. To the west the only road connecting the Belt and Queens Blvd is the BQE; to the east you have the Van Wyck. In between every other road is too disjointed or too narrow or both.

Not necessary… AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint already sell your data to anyone who is willing to pay—even the black market.

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I'd rather see light rail up Woodhaven-63rd Drive-Junction Blvd between Rockaway Park and LGA than a subway down RRB. 

But, if we insist on it, here's food for thought: 

(N) Astoria-Whitehall via Broadway Local

(Q) Current Route

(R) Current Route

(W) runs from Coney Island to Rockaway Park via Sea Beach -> Man Bridge -> Broadway Exp -> 63st -> QB Bypass -> RRB

This doesn't mess up QB and also uses the excess capacity of 63rd st. 

 

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12 minutes ago, shiznit1987 said:

I'd rather see light rail up Woodhaven-63rd Drive-Junction Blvd between Rockaway Park and LGA than a subway down RRB. 

But, if we insist on it, here's food for thought: 

(N) Astoria-Whitehall via Broadway Local

(Q) Current Route

(R) Current Route

(W) runs from Coney Island to Rockaway Park via Sea Beach -> Man Bridge -> Broadway Exp -> 63st -> QB Bypass -> RRB

This doesn't mess up QB and also uses the excess capacity of 63rd st. 

 

Yeah no, that's basically having the (M) run from Middle Village to Rockaway Parkway.

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36 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Yeah no, that's basically having the (M) run from Middle Village to Rockaway Parkway.

The issue with that being....? 

49 minutes ago, shiznit1987 said:

I'd rather see light rail up Woodhaven-63rd Drive-Junction Blvd between Rockaway Park and LGA than a subway down RRB. 

But, if we insist on it, here's food for thought: 

(N) Astoria-Whitehall via Broadway Local

(Q) Current Route

(R) Current Route

(W) runs from Coney Island to Rockaway Park via Sea Beach -> Man Bridge -> Broadway Exp -> 63st -> QB Bypass -> RRB

This doesn't mess up QB and also uses the excess capacity of 63rd st. 

I don’t love this. QB Bypass cap is better spent on a Manhattan-centric demographic, rather than one which already has under-capacity Manhattan options/a purported need to get to job centers along QB.

You’re also leaving some capacity unused (8th) and are adding merges to (F), but that’s secondary...

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25 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Is this guy correct

 

Absolutley not, he could just take the Q52 before transferring to QBL then the (7) or another bus to get to his destination. Even taking the (A) to (J) to (E) to (7) works better here. Will cost much less even if it may take more time. Supporting any subway expansion or revival shouldnt be hinged on improving 2 guys commutes realistically.

 

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23 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Is this guy correct

 

Q53 Beach 90-Woodside takes about ~70 min.

It would actually be faster if he took the LIRR from Jamaica to Woodside, instead of the (E) and then the (7) which would be 50-70 minutes depending on how long you'd have to wait. But still better to take the (A) and transfer to the Q53 instead of taking the (A) , AirTrain, (E) and (7) .

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3 hours ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

Absolutley not, he could just take the Q52 before transferring to QBL then the (7) or another bus to get to his destination. Even taking the (A) to (J) to (E) to (7) works better here. Will cost much less even if it may take more time. Supporting any subway expansion or revival shouldnt be hinged on improving 2 guys commutes realistically.

 

I disagree with improving a small amount of people's commute comment , it can improve north south travel in queens , shouldn't be forcing people onto buses 

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51 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said:

I disagree with improving a small amount of people's commute comment , it can improve north south travel in queens , shouldn't be forcing people onto buses 

My point is that RBB shouldn't be reactivated into a subway on the purpose of a specific sob story of a commute where a subway must exist between two major urban points. I totally believe that forcing people onto buses is a bad idea and that this subway helps to solve that problem. But in this case, this person is begging for a better commute when there are many options right in front of them (all of which 5x better than control route above). None of them are perfect, but at least attempt to adapt before you complain...  

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There's not a lot of people who would use the RBB. Most car trips on Woodhaven have origins and destinations outside of the Woodhaven corridor, and no one is replacing a car ride with a three or four seat train ride.

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