Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Share #1 Posted October 17, 2017 Saw this on the news a little while ago. Apparently last Friday ALL four elevators were out of service, which made the station unusable for numerous passengers. The report said that the is aware of the problem, but nothing more. Are there stairs in that station? I know these new stations are rather deep, making usage of the stairs rather challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 17, 2017 Share #2 Posted October 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Saw this on the news a little while ago. Apparently last Friday ALL four elevators were out of service, which made the station unusable for numerous passengers. The report said that the is aware of the problem, but nothing more. Are there stairs in that station? I know these new stations are rather deep, making usage of the stairs rather challenging. The entrance at Third Avenue is only elevators, but there is another entrance that has stairs and escalators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted October 17, 2017 Share #3 Posted October 17, 2017 There should be stairs leading directly to the station. Lexington Avenue-63rd Street isn't exactly new, it's been their for years and mainly used by the Sixth Avenue Lines. The whole station was given a face lift in preparation for the Second Avenue Subway opening and had it done in the style of the stations like 72nd, 86th, and 96th Streets at the Second Ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, bobtehpanda said: The entrance at Third Avenue is only elevators, but there is another entrance that has stairs and escalators. Well apparently quite a few people couldn't use the station. They left and went to another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted October 17, 2017 Share #5 Posted October 17, 2017 I’m trying to understand how New South Ferry was closed for years and the escalators have been broken every month since reopening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 17, 2017 Share #6 Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Well apparently quite a few people couldn't use the station. They left and went to another one. Do you have a link to a news article or something about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 17, 2017 Share #7 Posted October 17, 2017 Just now, Deucey said: I’m trying to understand how New South Ferry was closed for years and the escalators have been broken every month since reopening. The MTA's MO with escalators and elevators seems to be to check off a box when they build one and then forget about it afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, NY1635 said: There should be stairs leading directly to the station. Lexington Avenue-63rd Street isn't exactly new, it's been their for years and mainly used by the Sixth Avenue Lines. The whole station was given a face lift in preparation for the Second Avenue Subway opening and had it done in the style of the stations like 72nd, 86th, and 96th Streets at the Second Ave. What's the station with that's really deep with the ongoing broken escalators? 53rd and 5th? Anyway that one and 59th are just awful, even for able-bodied people so I can't imagine what it's like for disabled people. I think that's the thing. A lot of disabled people use that 63rd and 3rd station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, bobtehpanda said: Do you have a link to a news article or something about that? It was on the Fox 5, 10 o'clock news. I couldn't find it online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Deucey said: I’m trying to understand how New South Ferry was closed for years and the escalators have been broken every month since reopening. Yeah, something needs to change because they do this repeatedly where they know the elevators or escalators aren't working but open the station anyway and never resolve the problem. Same deal with the Hudson Yards station. A lot of disabled people have been filing lawsuits and I don't blame them. They have got to do better with the elevators and escalators, and in 2017 it's a disgrace that access is so limited to so many subway stations, even the new ones. Lawsuits are the only way they'll be forced to change their ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted October 17, 2017 Share #11 Posted October 17, 2017 Seems like for all the money they spend repairing escalators and elevators, they could’ve bought and installed new ones. Damn lowest bidder. Doesn’t seem like they have this issue at GCT or any of the railroad stations with escalators and elevators... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 17, 2017 Share #12 Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Deucey said: Seems like for all the money they spend repairing escalators and elevators, they could’ve bought and installed new ones. Damn lowest bidder. Doesn’t seem like they have this issue at GCT or any of the railroad stations with escalators and elevators... GCT, IIRC, is privately managed, as is Penn. Not sure about Jamaica. The railroad stations that are less busy are kind of hit and miss (I'm looking at you, Hicksville) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted October 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Deucey said: Seems like for all the money they spend repairing escalators and elevators, they could’ve bought and installed new ones. Damn lowest bidder. Doesn’t seem like they have this issue at GCT or any of the railroad stations with escalators and elevators... They do get new ones. Hudson Yards and 63rd and Lex have brand new elevators/escalators and they were breaking down before the station even opened. They opened those stations KNOWING the problems. That shows how much they actually give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 17, 2017 Share #14 Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: They do get new ones. Hudson Yards and 63rd and Lex have brand new elevators/escalators and they were breaking down before the station even opened. They opened those stations KNOWING the problems. That shows how much they actually give a damn. Id love the numbers to compare New York's stats to a city like London per-say see what there escalator breakdown percentages are. Yeah there more stations here but London Has a good amount of deep level stations only accessible by escalator. Think that would be a good way of seeing were the MTA is and ways to make it better and hold them accountable. It's almost impossible with no reference. There has to be a margin of failure factored in for mechanics and machines it's just understanding what the acceptable margin is. Keep in mind is 24/7 City as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted October 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: Id love the numbers to compare New York's stats to a city like London per-say see what there escalator breakdown percentages are. Yeah there more stations here but London Has a good amount of deep level stations only accessible by escalator. Think that would be a good way of seeing were the MTA is and ways to make it better and hold them accountable. It's almost impossible with no reference. There has to be a margin of failure factored in for mechanics and machines it's just understanding what the acceptable margin is. Keep in mind is 24/7 City as well. Right, but they had problems with Hudson Yards before that station even opened, admitted as much as then couldn't remedy problem after opening the station. To me that's a sign that they need go back to the drawing board. These escalators and elevators are not cheap and there are buildings that have their elevators and escalators running just about 24/7, as they are opened on weekends and year round. You can compare the foot traffic and saw well a station like Hudson Yards gets much more people, but that still doesn't change the fact that in both cases, the escalators and elevators are being used around the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16 Posted October 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Right, but they had problems with Hudson Yards before that station even opened, admitted as much as then couldn't remedy problem after opening the station. To me that's a sign that they need go back to the drawing board. These escalators and elevators are not cheap and there are buildings that have their elevators and escalators running just about 24/7, as they are opened on weekends and year round. You can compare the foot traffic and saw well a station like Hudson Yards gets much more people, but that still doesn't change the fact that in both cases, the escalators and elevators are being used around the clock. Runtime and traffic are important metrics but from a engernering standpoint Length is a major one possibly the most important for both elevators and escalators. More links in the chain more points of failure. Why London could be a important comparison. Hudson yards is a unique station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 17, 2017 Share #17 Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, RailRunRob said: Id love the numbers to compare New York's stats to a city like London per-say see what there escalator breakdown percentages are. Yeah there more stations here but London Has a good amount of deep level stations only accessible by escalator. Think that would be a good way of seeing were the MTA is and ways to make it better and hold them accountable. It's almost impossible with no reference. There has to be a margin of failure factored in for mechanics and machines it's just understanding what the acceptable margin is. Keep in mind is 24/7 City as well. Those stats exist, and IIRC it's so bad that groups are suing the MTA for violating the ADA in spirit, since a broken elevator isn't very useful at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 17, 2017 Share #18 Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said: Those stats exist, and IIRC it's so bad that groups are suing the MTA for violating the ADA in spirit, since a broken elevator isn't very useful at all. How does the MTA hold up to other agencies ? DC, SF ,LA all need to be ADA mindful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 18, 2017 Share #19 Posted October 18, 2017 7 hours ago, RailRunRob said: How does the MTA hold up to other agencies ? DC, SF ,LA all need to be ADA mindful? Those agencies are already 100% accessible. Even Boston, a system much older than ours, is already at 90%, and has plans to get to 100%. Chicago is on the way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 18, 2017 Share #20 Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said: Those agencies are already 100% accessible. Even Boston, a system much older than ours, is already at 90%, and has plans to get to 100%. Chicago is on the way as well. Amount of stations and scale of the MTA's Network should also be taking into effect correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 18, 2017 Share #21 Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, RailRunRob said: Amount of stations and scale of the MTA's Network should also be taking into effect correct? If you want to make excuses, sure. We spend a half billion on Access A Ride every year because the MTA has decided that it would rather do that than shovel an equivalent amount of money towards subway elevators. Most subway stations, if not all of them, are under or over large roads and not very far from the street. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted October 18, 2017 6 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: If you want to make excuses, sure. We spend a half billion on Access A Ride every year because the MTA has decided that it would rather do that than shovel an equivalent amount of money towards subway elevators. Most subway stations, if not all of them, are under or over large roads and not very far from the street. It's ridiculous. What's deplorable is the idea that artwork takes precedence over accessibility. I'm sorry but any station being rehabbed should have money for elevators or escalators included. The artwork budget may be small, but I think the main point of transit is to move people and make the system accessible to as many people who need as practically possible. A lot of the new stations that have been recently rehabbed STILL have no elevator. The line comes to mind. Those stations likely won't be rehabbed for some decades, so that makes it even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 18, 2017 Share #23 Posted October 18, 2017 7 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: If you want to make excuses, sure. We spend a half billion on Access A Ride every year because the MTA has decided that it would rather do that than shovel an equivalent amount of money towards subway elevators. Most subway stations, if not all of them, are under or over large roads and not very far from the street. It's ridiculous. What get's measured get's accomplished. One of the most important things I've learnt in life that and question everything I live by both. Boston is a Comparable City in age. But there's 51 stations compare that to 472? If you want accountability there has to be a standard to measure by. Boston accomplished this over this amount of time here's the ratio. MTA get to work or explain why this couldn't be achieved? If there BSing the money it'll show if they need more funding it'll show. Just saying we spend 500M a year means nothing to the MTA they'll continue to sidestep and give the story. Until you put your foot on someone neck or nose in their sh*t. Create Accountability don't Expect it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 18, 2017 Share #24 Posted October 18, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 3:14 AM, bobtehpanda said: GCT, IIRC, is privately managed, as is Penn. Not sure about Jamaica. The railroad stations that are less busy are kind of hit and miss (I'm looking at you, Hicksville) The Metro-North Fordham station has elevators and that stop can get just as busy (top 5 in ridership on all of MN in fact) and has just as many homeless people as a typical NYC subway station, but the elevators there don’t break down nearly as much as the ones on the and up the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share #25 Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, paulrivera said: The Metro-North Fordham station has elevators and that stop can get just as busy (top 5 in ridership on all of MN in fact) and has just as many homeless people as a typical NYC subway station, but the elevators there don’t break down nearly as much as the ones on the and up the street. Yeah but overall MNRR doesn't have that many elevators to operate. My two stations are the Riverdale and Spuyten Duyvil stations, and neither have an elevator and they probably should. To get from the station, if you live on say Palisade Avenue, all ways up are brutal. In fact some riders at the Spuyten Duyvil station started a petition to get the shuttle buses to make stops along Palisade Avenue so they don't have to deal with the stairs after a long day in the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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