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On 1/25/2020 at 1:02 AM, R10 2952 said:

When the overhauled Redbird R27/30s ran on the BMT Eastern Division (roughly 1987 to 1990), were any of those trainsets regularly assigned to the (L)? Browsed through SubChat and historical car assignment sheets, but couldn't find anything significant.  Seems odd, especially considering they were well-documented on the  (J)(brownM)(Z)

Simply, no.

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On 1/2/2020 at 11:41 PM, jon2305 said:

R62 1591-1595 is back on the (3)

The R-62s used on the (1) are cycled back through LIV for certain inspection or overhaul requirements that 240 can or will not be able to perform.

LIV is still and always has been the "home" shop for all 305 Kawasaki R-62s.

When this the case, either there are no R-62s or if needed a random train from the (3) is loaned as long as required.

Good point with 2466-75 now also back home the R-62s might not be anymore needed.  At all?

Keep them eyes open!B-)

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13 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

When this the case, either there are no R-62s or if needed a random train from the (3) is loaned as long as required.

Good point with 2466-75 now also back home the R-62s might not be anymore needed.  At all?

Keep them eyes open!B-)

Unless there's a G/O north of Broadway ( as in No trains between 137 St and 242 St), for the R62s on the (1) that is. 

Probably that 2466-75 (an R62A) is the rotated R62 set. I haven't seen one with orange stickers few weeks ago. And with that, the (6) has 43 trains but still enough out of the Lexington/Pelham line.

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On 1/22/2020 at 2:13 PM, j express said:

9113-9117, 9208-9212, 8653-8657, 8663-8667, 9103-9107, 9163-9167, 9183-9187, 9468-9472 Coney Island to Jamaica.

5662-5665, 5790-5793, 5530-5533, 5490-5493, 5846-5849, 5650-5653 Jamaica to Coney Island.

As of today, Coney Island now has about 120 cars of R46s while Jamaica has 860 cars R160s. 

NIce tabulating!

Does anyone know if R-46s 5586-89 and 5602-05 have moved yet on (A) to Coney Island ((G)(N)(W))? 

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The R-32s are now down from 222 to 212 to 208 to 184.

These 38 are now retired effective January 27, 2020 (obviously after the R179s found their sea legs again):

3383/3890, 3384/85, 3404/05, 3424/25, 3440/41, 3452/53, 3471/3658, 3472/73, 3496/97, 3522/3523, 3578/79, 3618/19, 3624/25, 3682/83, 3698/99, 3806/07, 3870/71, 3878/79, 3900/01.

3410/11, 3454/55 and 3483/85 WERE retired as of January 3 then reactivated.  They are still in passenger service as of January 28.

Round and round she goes, where the R32s roulette wheel stop no one stops!!...

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5602-5605 and 5586-5589 Pitkin (A) to Coney Island

5738-5741 and 5542-5545 ran on the (F) on Tuesday Morning than ran on the (N) on Tuesday Afternoon

8698-8707 ran on the (N) Tuesday Morning than ran on the (F) on Tuesday Afternoon.

5518-5521 and 5870-5873 ran on the (F) this morning and its now on the (N) .

8673-8677 and 8688-8692 ran on the (N) this morning and its now on the (F) . 

Based on these observations and R160s 8653-8657 coupled with 8663-8667 and 9103-9107 coupled with 9163-9167 being used as afternoon (R) put ins last week from CIY, this Jamaica and Coney Island swap can be done through (F) and (R) layups along with the usual evening yard transfers which makes the transferring quicker than previous swaps. 

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2 hours ago, j express said:

5602-5605 and 5586-5589 Pitkin (A) to Coney Island

5738-5741 and 5542-5545 ran on the (F) on Tuesday Morning than ran on the (N) on Tuesday Afternoon

8698-8707 ran on the (N) Tuesday Morning than ran on the (F) on Tuesday Afternoon.

5518-5521 and 5870-5873 ran on the (F) this morning and its now on the (N) .

8673-8677 and 8688-8692 ran on the (N) this morning and its now on the (F) . 

Based on these observations and R160s 8653-8657 coupled with 8663-8667 and 9103-9107 coupled with 9163-9167 being used as afternoon (R) put ins last week from CIY, this Jamaica and Coney Island swap can be done through (F) and (R) layups along with the usual evening yard transfers which makes the transferring quicker than previous swaps. 

Weird that ONLY the R160s with Alstom propulsion are getting transferred

 

This afternoon, an R68 appeared on the (Q)

I hope the Siemens testing on QB fails so that the Siemens R160Bs have to stay at CI for the (N)

 

I did the math, and QB can be fully CBTC with all R160B Siemens staying in CI

 

(E) - 260 cars + 60 spares

(F) - 440 cars + 60 spares

(R) - 280 cars + 8 R46s on the 96 St trip (this train does not need to touch the Queens Blvd line at all) + 60 spares

= 320 + 500 + 340 = 1160 R160s needed

Then subtract 130 R160s from this total and Replace with 130 R179s from the (A) . 120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

Total R160s needed = 1030 (with 260 Siemens cars left over when/if QB CBTC fails, + 130 R179s)

 

Moves needed:

120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

All other R46s to Coney Island to be reassigned as follows:

200 R46s for the (B)  + 48 spares = 248 R46s

20 R68 From Coney Island to Concourse for the (D) to have a total of 288 cars (240 for service + 48 for spares)

 

200 R68As + 24 R68 for the (Q) (including the spares)

72 R68 for the (G) (52 + 20 as spares)

 

112 R46s for the (N)(W) with 260 R160B Siemens cars including the spares and distributed as follows:

(N) - 170 R160s + 48 R46s

(W) - 70 R160s + 24 R46s

20 R160B Siemens and 40 R46s remain as spares.

 

this way, the only Coney Island R46s that run outside the weekday hours (roughly 6AM to 9:30PM) are the approximately 24 R46s that would be needed on the (N) to allow some R160s to rest (particularly the ones on the weekday (W) and some of the (N)s that are not needed, seeing as how the other CI R46s are on weekday-only routes.

 

If there are any R46 shortages, the leftover R68s (about 32 cars) can be used on the (B)(N)(W).

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45 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Weird that ONLY the R160s with Alstom propulsion are getting transferred

 

This afternoon, an R68 appeared on the (Q)

I hope the Siemens testing on QB fails so that the Siemens R160Bs have to stay at CI for the (N)

 

I did the math, and QB can be fully CBTC with all R160B Siemens staying in CI

 

(E) - 260 cars + 60 spares

(F) - 440 cars + 60 spares

(R) - 280 cars + 8 R46s on the 96 St trip (this train does not need to touch the Queens Blvd line at all) + 60 spares

= 320 + 500 + 340 = 1160 R160s needed

Then subtract 130 R160s from this total and Replace with 130 R179s from the (A) . 120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

Total R160s needed = 1030 (with 260 Siemens cars left over when/if QB CBTC fails, + 130 R179s)

 

Moves needed:

120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

All other R46s to Coney Island to be reassigned as follows:

200 R46s for the (B)  + 48 spares = 248 R46s

20 R68 From Coney Island to Concourse for the (D) to have a total of 288 cars (240 for service + 48 for spares)

 

200 R68As + 24 R68 for the (Q) (including the spares)

72 R68 for the (G) (52 + 20 as spares)

 

112 R46s for the (N)(W) with 260 R160B Siemens cars including the spares and distributed as follows:

(N) - 170 R160s + 48 R46s

(W) - 70 R160s + 24 R46s

20 R160B Siemens and 40 R46s remain as spares.

 

this way, the only Coney Island R46s that run outside the weekday hours (roughly 6AM to 9:30PM) are the approximately 24 R46s that would be needed on the (N) to allow some R160s to rest (particularly the ones on the weekday (W) and some of the (N)s that are not needed, seeing as how the other CI R46s are on weekday-only routes.

 

If there are any R46 shortages, the leftover R68s (about 32 cars) can be used on the (B)(N)(W).

Nah.

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1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Weird that ONLY the R160s with Alstom propulsion are getting transferred

 

This afternoon, an R68 appeared on the (Q)

I hope the Siemens testing on QB fails so that the Siemens R160Bs have to stay at CI for the (N)

 

I did the math, and QB can be fully CBTC with all R160B Siemens staying in CI

 

(E) - 260 cars + 60 spares

(F) - 440 cars + 60 spares

(R) - 280 cars + 8 R46s on the 96 St trip (this train does not need to touch the Queens Blvd line at all) + 60 spares

= 320 + 500 + 340 = 1160 R160s needed

Then subtract 130 R160s from this total and Replace with 130 R179s from the (A) . 120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

Total R160s needed = 1030 (with 260 Siemens cars left over when/if QB CBTC fails, + 130 R179s)

 

Moves needed:

120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

All other R46s to Coney Island to be reassigned as follows:

200 R46s for the (B)  + 48 spares = 248 R46s

20 R68 From Coney Island to Concourse for the (D) to have a total of 288 cars (240 for service + 48 for spares)

 

200 R68As + 24 R68 for the (Q) (including the spares)

72 R68 for the (G) (52 + 20 as spares)

 

112 R46s for the (N)(W) with 260 R160B Siemens cars including the spares and distributed as follows:

(N) - 170 R160s + 48 R46s

(W) - 70 R160s + 24 R46s

20 R160B Siemens and 40 R46s remain as spares.

 

this way, the only Coney Island R46s that run outside the weekday hours (roughly 6AM to 9:30PM) are the approximately 24 R46s that would be needed on the (N) to allow some R160s to rest (particularly the ones on the weekday (W) and some of the (N)s that are not needed, seeing as how the other CI R46s are on weekday-only routes.

 

If there are any R46 shortages, the leftover R68s (about 32 cars) can be used on the (B)(N)(W).

We still have a quite more transferring to do. We shall see.....

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1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Weird that ONLY the R160s with Alstom propulsion are getting transferred

 

This afternoon, an R68 appeared on the (Q)

I hope the Siemens testing on QB fails so that the Siemens R160Bs have to stay at CI for the (N)

 

I did the math, and QB can be fully CBTC with all R160B Siemens staying in CI

 

(E) - 260 cars + 60 spares

(F) - 440 cars + 60 spares

(R) - 280 cars + 8 R46s on the 96 St trip (this train does not need to touch the Queens Blvd line at all) + 60 spares

= 320 + 500 + 340 = 1160 R160s needed

Then subtract 130 R160s from this total and Replace with 130 R179s from the (A) . 120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

Total R160s needed = 1030 (with 260 Siemens cars left over when/if QB CBTC fails, + 130 R179s)

 

Moves needed:

120 R46s to Pitkin for the (A) 

All other R46s to Coney Island to be reassigned as follows:

200 R46s for the (B)  + 48 spares = 248 R46s

20 R68 From Coney Island to Concourse for the (D) to have a total of 288 cars (240 for service + 48 for spares)

 

200 R68As + 24 R68 for the (Q) (including the spares)

72 R68 for the (G) (52 + 20 as spares)

 

112 R46s for the (N)(W) with 260 R160B Siemens cars including the spares and distributed as follows:

(N) - 170 R160s + 48 R46s

(W) - 70 R160s + 24 R46s

20 R160B Siemens and 40 R46s remain as spares.

 

this way, the only Coney Island R46s that run outside the weekday hours (roughly 6AM to 9:30PM) are the approximately 24 R46s that would be needed on the (N) to allow some R160s to rest (particularly the ones on the weekday (W) and some of the (N)s that are not needed, seeing as how the other CI R46s are on weekday-only routes.

 

If there are any R46 shortages, the leftover R68s (about 32 cars) can be used on the (B)(N)(W).

I'm almost certain that whichever R160's remain at C.I. will be assigned to the (Q), but like others have said, we shall see ... 

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2 hours ago, NYCTNostalgia said:

I'm almost certain that whichever R160's remain at C.I. will be assigned to the (Q), but like others have said, we shall see ... 

That’s the Plan. And from the looks of it, they’re holding onto their Siemens sets. 

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46 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Keeping them On the (Q) makes no sense operationally

And if their excuse is “oh it was too much work to change the roll signs on the R68/As, then that’s just lazy.” Ive noticed R68As with a lot of missing rollsigns (like 5142, etc.)
 

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6 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Keeping them On the (Q) makes no sense operationally

I mean... if it's better for the crowds on 2nd Avenue as the (MTA) says, then operationally it makes more sense. As a daily (Q) rider between 57 St-7 Av and Avenue U (basically the whole damn route), I can definitely say that it makes more sense to keep the R160's on the (Q) vs. the (N)/(W). (Q) Crowds are wicked on both ends, when my train pulls into Avenue U in the morning is already at Standing Room Levels only and once it reaches Prospect Park/7 Av, it is absurdly crowded. Additionally when the (Q) pulls in at 57 St-7 Av during the PM Rush, the train is already extremely crowded so early in its route vs. the (N) that isn't really crowded until 34 St-Herald Square and the (W) that typically isn't overloaded. If the (Q) was reduced to 100% 75 footers, loading times would increase substantially, shiddd the (B) on Brighton in the Morning struggles enough loading passengers in a timely fashion without having to dwell much longer than it should.

 

But this is just my opinion and as we all know, opinions are not always facts. Carry on.

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17 minutes ago, NYCTNostalgia said:

I mean... if it's better for the crowds on 2nd Avenue as the (MTA) says, then operationally it makes more sense. As a daily (Q) rider between 57 St-7 Av and Avenue U (basically the whole damn route), I can definitely say that it makes more sense to keep the R160's on the (Q) vs. the (N)/(W). (Q) Crowds are wicked on both ends, when my train pulls into Avenue U in the morning is already at Standing Room Levels only and once it reaches Prospect Park/7 Av, it is absurdly crowded. Additionally when the (Q) pulls in at 57 St-7 Av during the PM Rush, the train is already extremely crowded so early in its route vs. the (N) that isn't really crowded until 34 St-Herald Square and the (W) that typically isn't overloaded. If the (Q) was reduced to 100% 75 footers, loading times would increase substantially, shiddd the (B) on Brighton in the Morning struggles enough loading passengers in a timely fashion without having to dwell much longer than it should.

 

But this is just my opinion and as we all know, opinions are not always facts. Carry on.

The (Q) issue on 2 Av can be solved by ADDING more trains, although the MTA chooses not to. There is no capacity constraint on 2 Av, and additional (N) trains can be rerouted from Astoria to 2 Av to add service. As for Astoria however, Ditmars Blvd has a terminal capacity of only 14 trains per hour and there’s no other place in Astoria to turn trains around easily. Therefore there is NO way to add additional service in Astoria without rebuilding large  sections of the line. The (N) by Astoria Blvd (sometimes even Leaving Ditmars Blvd) is standing room only and by Broadway, some people are left on the platform.

 

 

i will say that On time performance on all three routes is sub-par, but the solution to the (Q) is the need for additional trains (not necessarily 60-foot cars) because there is no capacity constraint at any terminal, or if there is, there are suitable terminals to short turn trains. This way the (Q) can come more frequently.

this is not the case for the (N) due to infrastructure designs.

 

also you haven’t seen the (N) at Lexington Av during PM rush hours. It’s a nightmare the risk of people falling into the tracks due to the long waits and dwell times with 75-foot cars. I’m surprised that we don’t have people struck by trains on a daily basis at this station 

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