danielhg121 Posted February 4, 2020 Share #401 Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Does this hold as a retirement farewell for the R42's? They still have that one set parked in ENY. Edited February 4, 2020 by danielhg121 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted February 4, 2020 Share #402 Posted February 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Around the Horn said: What on earth is going on here? ...His dog started crying over R32'S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 4, 2020 Share #403 Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, m2fwannabe said: No doubt the 222 R-32s had and basically needed a fleet ratio nearly 100% just to keep enough available to meet the requirements on a daily basis, whereas the turnover was just incredible due to age, wear and tear. Plenty of such explanations were made but others disagree. Better by "someone else" to provide the "surplus" parts than the "surplus" complete cars to protect the schedules. And the R-179s are just doing so well anyhow aren't they, too? How is it the R-143s are in a never-ending revolving door too? Look at it this way: in 2008 ENY was overdone at 628 total cars, with every possible track space then jacked but no way the need for every car that was then there. Here its 684 an all NTT fleet in 2020 and the "company" is concerned about a possible chronically shortage . This we call progress. partly due to the 2010 service reductions and elimination. It opened a new market using the Sixth Avenue as a slightly slower version of the . Yes, the boom after 2006 did require some of the R160As that would have (at the time) been more than sufficient for the , because the was pretty much a shuttle outside rush hours when it went to Bay Parkway, and the headways were light (about 10-12 minutes for rush hours), and 10 minutes during Middays to Chambers St. When the was sent thru Sixth Avenue to 71 Av, the base schedule itself required more train sets, and now with the service additions that keep happening on the to serve Bushwick/Williamsburg without having to overload the , the has gone up from needing only 136 R160As to needing 200 R160As (plus an additional 48-56 cars for spares). the now runs rush hours every ~6-7 minutes (with likely service increasing to every 5.5-6 minutes next year) The was supposed to only use R143s, but after 2008, it needed 64 of the R160As to be compatible for the line, and now with the substation completion, i think another 16-24 cars may be needed. That leaves the with a shortage and needing to borrow R143s, and having 100 R179s to fill in (although it is likely that the 's R179s may be transferred too when the R211s arrive), but only time will tell. Long story short, NO cars should be retired until the R211s arrive and are in great working condition (also to make sure the R179s are stable) or we could be headed back to 2017 where subway OTP was ~65%. Edited February 4, 2020 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted February 4, 2020 Share #404 Posted February 4, 2020 18 hours ago, m2fwannabe said: Even my dog cried! Meanwhile, The R-32s are now down from 140 to 122. These 18 are now retired effective January 31, 2020: 3354/55, 3416/17, 3454/55 (dang, didn't make it...), 3484/85 (double dang...), 3688/89, 3732/33, 3774/75, 3834/35, 3888/89. All was quiet today (Monday). Might be a good sign that the R-32 roulette wheel has at least paused for now. I rode on car 3775 a couple weeks ago and noticed it was missing it’s manufacturer plates, and now it’s retired. Same case as 3877. Some pairs that I’ve ridden on that I’ve noticed still retain the builders plates are ALL still in-service. I could look for some photos if you guys are interested. 5 hours ago, Jemorie said: The should not retire any more R32s btw. They will be severely short on cars. Explain later. Interesting that @m2fwannabe brings up the ERA Bulletin. From the October 2019 Bulletin, “1,077 new Subdivision “B” cars would also be ordered as options onto our current R-211 order that will replace the R-32 class and oldest of the R-46 class cars” (page 20). I guess this suggest that some R-32s will stick around like @m2fwannabesaid? 56 minutes ago, danielhg121 said: Does this hold as a retirement farewell for the R42's? They still have that one set parked in ENY. That was taken the day the R179s were taken OOS. Since Jan. 24, the day the R179s were placed back in-service, we haven’t gotten a confirmation from the NYCSubway twitter account that the R42s were “re-retired,” so we’ll have to wait and see as to what will happen at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted February 4, 2020 Share #405 Posted February 4, 2020 Going back to the R160 and R46 transfers between Jamaica and Coney Island: 5774-5777 and 5486-5489 was on the to 59 St this morning and its now on the line. 5558-5561 and 5502-5505 was on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line. 8818-8822 and 8658-8662 was on the this morning and its now on the line. 8788-8792 and 8763-8767 was on the this morning and its now on the line. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 5, 2020 Share #406 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, j express said: Going back to the R160 and R46 transfers between Jamaica and Coney Island: 5774-5777 and 5486-5489 was on the to 59 St this morning and its now on the line. 5558-5561 and 5502-5505 was on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line. 8818-8822 and 8658-8662 was on the this morning and its now on the line. 8788-8792 and 8763-8767 was on the this morning and its now on the line. I told you, R46s now on the regular probably to be swapped to the at some point when there is time and all cars are accounted for Edited February 5, 2020 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 5, 2020 Share #407 Posted February 5, 2020 10 hours ago, danielhg121 said: Do they need R32 parts ASAP or something? Sheesh. Retired from service? Yes...unless another catastrophic issue with the 179’s. Should be sitting around the system in various yards. I remember reading that NYCT shops custom makes parts for the 32s, so their shouldn't be a need to resort to cannibalizing cars for the 32s. The 32s recently retired are probably poor performers and are probably a PITA to keep running. Fun fact, the R42 had a higher MDBF than the 32s did for Dec 2019... I think the fact that best running R42s were retired last where's almost the entire remaining 32 fleet was still running at the time has something to do with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 5, 2020 Share #408 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: I remember reading that NYCT shops custom makes parts for the 32s, so their shouldn't be a need to resort to cannibalizing cars for the 32s. The 32s recently retired are probably poor performers and are probably a PITA to keep running. Fun fact, the R42 had a higher MDBF than the 32s did for Dec 2019... I think the fact that best running R42s were retired last where's almost the entire remaining 32 fleet was still running at the time has something to do with it. people don't understand that there was always a plan to keep only 110 R32's until 2022 after Q3-4 2019-Q2 2020, they don't need the whole fleet and imo they're retiring the wrong cars. some of the retired cars ran better than the ones they're keeping. Edited February 5, 2020 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q23 via 108 Posted February 5, 2020 Share #409 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) What is the process for retiring trains? Do they perform a test on the pair? Or do they just have a list of car numbers and just remove them as needed? If a set of R32s breakdown, are they prioritized for scraping or do they fix it? Edited February 5, 2020 by Q23 via 108 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 5, 2020 Share #410 Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 2:24 PM, m2fwannabe said: On 2/3/2020 at 11:13 PM, Calvin said: 3446-47 is still in-service, on the today Department of Crawling with Electricity is a little slow on the draw sometimes. Record keeping is not done at a snap as it wouldn't surprise if there might still be a B Type or so still shown as stand-by somewhere. The consist in question was: N-3673/72-3468/3445-3446/47-3818/19-S. February 3. The only pair in those four NOT to be retired were 3672/73. Don't know if those six dead are still walking, but after checking every single R-32 in service as of February 4, there were NONE other on the retired listing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted February 5, 2020 Share #411 Posted February 5, 2020 Another 2 for 2 swap for this afternoon rush between Coney Island and Jamaica today: 5642-5645 and 5786-5789 ran on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line 5766-5769 and 5626-5629 ran on the to 59 St this morning and its now on the line. 8693-8697 and 8738-8742 was on the put in out of 36 St this afternoon rush. 8713-8717 and 8813-8817 was on the this morning and its now on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 5, 2020 Share #412 Posted February 5, 2020 When the next group of R-46s is transferred to Coney Island, they will have about received the halfway: 200 at Coney Island, 196 at Jamaica (plus 354 at Pitkin). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 6, 2020 Share #413 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, j express said: Another 2 for 2 swap for this afternoon rush between Coney Island and Jamaica today: 5642-5645 and 5786-5789 ran on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line 5766-5769 and 5626-5629 ran on the to 59 St this morning and its now on the line. 8693-8697 and 8738-8742 was on the put in out of 36 St this afternoon rush. 8713-8717 and 8813-8817 was on the this morning and its now on the line. Way too fast! seems like they’re purposely scheduling R160B Alstom propulsion trains for the Trains that drop out of service after the AM Rush, and the s R46s as well. i won’t be surprised if the that goes to 96 St and comes back down as the in the AM rush stays in service and they pull the following R160B Alstom to be swapped Edited February 6, 2020 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted February 6, 2020 Share #414 Posted February 6, 2020 8763-8767 is on the 8718-8723 is in consecutive order and the next set to be transferred to Jamaica. Man, I must say, Coney Island really took excellent care of those R160’s they’re cleaner and brighter. Hell, even the sanded cars are sanded neatly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 6, 2020 Share #415 Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, VIP said: 8763-8767 is on the 8718-8723 is in consecutive order and the next set to be transferred to Jamaica. Man, I must say, Coney Island really took excellent care of those R160’s they’re cleaner and brighter. Hell, even the sanded cars are sanded neatly. 8798-8807 is together in consecutive order too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 6, 2020 Share #416 Posted February 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: 8798-8807 is together in consecutive order too Next week? 3 trains per week to Jamaica. All done this week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 6, 2020 Share #417 Posted February 6, 2020 Have we yet found that fugitive R-32 train on the ? N-3673/72-3468/3445-3446/47-3818/19-S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 6, 2020 Share #418 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, m2fwannabe said: Next week? 3 trains per week to Jamaica. All done this week. If they want to keep the swap going at this rate and using the Coney Island layups during midday hours, then the cannot lose any more R160s for their AM rush and the leftover 160s need to be moved from the to the , with R68As taking their place (and R46s to the ) or R46s directly to the . Edited February 6, 2020 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted February 6, 2020 Share #419 Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, m2fwannabe said: Have we yet found that fugitive R-32 train on the ? N-3673/72-3468/3445-3446/47-3818/19-S I saw that today on the at 14th Street while I was going to John Jay College this afternoon. Sadly no photo proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted February 6, 2020 Share #420 Posted February 6, 2020 Another 2 for 2 swap between Coney Island and Jamaica today during the midday hours: 5794-5797 and 5614-5617 was on the to 59 St this morning and its now on the line. 5522-5525 and 5666-5669 was on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line. 8718-8727 ran on the this morning and its now on the put in out of 36 St this afternoon. 8783-8787 and 8808-8812 was on the this morning and its now on the put in out of Kings Highway this afternoon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 7, 2020 Share #421 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: N-3673/72-3468/3445-3446/47-3818/19-S 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: I saw that today on the at 14th Street while I was going to John Jay College this afternoon. Sadly no photo proof. Does this mean 3818/19 was gone and another on in its place? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted February 7, 2020 Share #422 Posted February 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said: Does this mean 3818/19 was gone and another on in its place? I’m not too sure about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share #423 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, j express said: Another 2 for 2 swap between Coney Island and Jamaica today during the midday hours: 5522-5525 and 5666-5669 was on the to Kings Highway this morning and its now on the line. 8783-8787 and 8808-8812 was on the this morning and its now on the put in out of Kings Highway this afternoon. Damn, I rode the from Forest Hills-71 to Avenue U earlier today (6 PM) and have not seen one 46 out on the route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 7, 2020 Share #424 Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Calvin said: Damn, I rode the from Forest Hills-71 to Avenue U earlier today (6 PM) and have not seen one 46 out on the route. just wait for tomorrow, and there will be another couple of R46s on the , especially in the morning 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 7, 2020 Share #425 Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, m2fwannabe said: Does this mean 3818/19 was gone and another on in its place? I just rode on 3819 earlier!! I had no idea this was a retired set, it ran so smooth! Still has builders plates too. 11 hours ago, m2fwannabe said: Have we yet found that fugitive R-32 train on the ? N-3673/72-3468/3445-3446/47-3818/19-S All those units were still together in that consist order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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