Lawrence St Posted February 25, 2018 Share #1 Posted February 25, 2018 So there has been a lot of confusion regarding wether or not The is an IRT or BMT line. Just this past pick, the was recategorized as a B divison line. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted February 25, 2018 Share #2 Posted February 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So there has been a lot of confusion regarding wether or not The is an IRT or BMT line. Just this past pick, the was recategorized as a B divison line. What do you guys think? Was'nt the Astoria and Flushing lines built to serve both IRT and BMT service? As far as operations and what we think did they recategorize it or not? That's your answer if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 25, 2018 Share #3 Posted February 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So there has been a lot of confusion regarding wether or not The is an IRT or BMT line. Just this past pick, the was recategorized as a B divison line. What do you guys think? Where did you get that information from? Can a crew also work a job on the the next day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 25, 2018 Share #4 Posted February 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, Trainmaster5 said: Where did you get that information from? Can a crew also work a job on the the next day ? Sepeate division and cars. Its a no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 25, 2018 Share #5 Posted February 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Trainmaster5 said: Where did you get that information from? Can a crew also work a job on the the next day ? From what I've heard, as of now no, however they want that at some point in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 25, 2018 Share #6 Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Calvin said: Sepeate division and cars. Its a no. I will wait for some reasoning behind the original post. I broke in on the many years ago so I guess I was qualified for the B division all the time 😂. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 25, 2018 Share #7 Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Around the Horn said: From what I've heard, as of now no, however they want that at some point in the future. They've wanted all division qualified people for 30+ years. Nothing new here. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 25, 2018 Share #8 Posted February 25, 2018 Well.. that's all I can say for now.. (to the replied post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted February 25, 2018 Share #9 Posted February 25, 2018 The 7 line is only in B division for management. It's still an A division line for operating personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share #10 Posted February 25, 2018 So the 7 line is bi basically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 25, 2018 Share #11 Posted February 25, 2018 Short Answer NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 26, 2018 Share #12 Posted February 26, 2018 BMT Flushing line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted February 26, 2018 Share #13 Posted February 26, 2018 It's also B1 Division on RCC (since it's only connected to the BMT, and so in the same place in the room and the wall track layout as the BMT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted February 26, 2018 Share #14 Posted February 26, 2018 Was ever connected to the IRT directly - including the Elevated Lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted February 26, 2018 Share #15 Posted February 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, Deucey said: Was ever connected to the IRT directly - including the Elevated Lines? 2nd Avenue El, via the Queensboro Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosciusko Posted February 26, 2018 Share #16 Posted February 26, 2018 IIRC it's technically possible for s to run down Bway and turn at Whitehall or Canal, but I doubt that it would ever happen because the platforms are not built to IRT spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 26, 2018 Share #17 Posted February 26, 2018 On 2/25/2018 at 4:40 PM, Lawrence St said: So there has been a lot of confusion regarding wether or not The is an IRT or BMT line. Just this past pick, the was recategorized as a B divison line. What do you guys think? There is? I ride the every day and all I see are R188s (former R142As) and R62As, all A-Division cars. The signal tripcocks are on the same side as the (crappy old) signals. 1 hour ago, kosciusko said: IIRC it's technically possible for s to run down Bway and turn at Whitehall or Canal, but I doubt that it would ever happen because the platforms are not built to IRT spec. But then you’d have do a double reverse move to pass through Queensboro Plaza. You’d have to run Astoria and Flushing trains on no better than 20-minutes headways. That’s fine for late night subway service or even LIRR/Metro-North, but entirely unacceptable for rush hour subway service. And right on about those BMT platforms. Though really, I’d welcome the being converted to a B-Division line, provided the line isn’t tied into an existing B-Division line (other than 2nd Ave if we can ever get past Phase 2). Only problem is there’s no money or will to replace the narrow streetcar-width Steinway tunnels with wider ones that can fit B-Division trains. And no money to widen the tunnels in LIC and under 42nd St to handle the larger B-Division trains either...unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosciusko Posted February 27, 2018 Share #18 Posted February 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: But then you’d have do a double reverse move to pass through Queensboro Plaza. You’d have to run Astoria and Flushing trains on no better than 20-minutes headways. That’s fine for late night subway service or even LIRR/Metro-North, but entirely unacceptable for rush hour subway service. And right on about those BMT platforms. Pretty sure there are 2 sets of switches on the heading into Queensboro, eliminating the need for a reverse maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #19 Posted February 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, kosciusko said: Pretty sure there are 2 sets of switches on the heading into Queensboro, eliminating the need for a reverse maneuver. Nope. Switch is UL only. See: http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/NYC_full_trackmap_19.pdf And anyway, with 3 services already running through 60th, and an *extremely* convenient cross-platform xfer to Broadway at QBP (not to mention the second one at TSQ42), why would you ever want to create such a service pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share #20 Posted February 27, 2018 But didn't a get sent up to Astoria a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosciusko Posted February 27, 2018 Share #21 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, RR503 said: Nope. Switch is UL only. See: http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/NYC_full_trackmap_19.pdf Pic related is the operation I had in mind. Even though it's never ever going to happen, it is possible to do it like this without reversing. (please excuse the poor MS paint skills) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #22 Posted February 27, 2018 Sure, it's possible without reversing. My question to you is why should we do it? On these forums, there's definitely a fetish for using every last inch of track at all costs -- this seems like it is a symptom of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted February 27, 2018 Share #23 Posted February 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, RR503 said: Sure, it's possible without reversing. My question to you is why should we do it? On these forums, there's definitely a fetish for using every last inch of track at all costs -- this seems like it is a symptom of that. If you're going to try and roast people, at least make sure that what you're saying actually applies to the situation at hand. The ridiculous proposal described above doesn't even put any unused tracks into service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted February 27, 2018 Share #24 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, P3F said: If you're going to try and roast people, at least make sure that what you're saying actually applies to the situation at hand. The ridiculous proposal described above doesn't even put any unused tracks into service. Practice what you preach? By my count, we have the crossover before Queensboro on the , the crossover at Queensboro between the and , and in all probability the on after Queensboro on the . All currently unused, all used in this proposal. Segments of track don't have to be long to be foambait -- remember all the excitement about the (or was it ?) to 86th st GO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted February 27, 2018 Share #25 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, RR503 said: Practice what you preach? By my count, we have the crossover before Queensboro on the , the crossover at Queensboro between the and , and in all probability the on after Queensboro on the . All currently unused, all used in this proposal. Segments of track don't have to be long to be foambait -- remember all the excitement about the (or was it ?) to 86th st GO? Ok then, some switches get used. Yay? When people complain about others who want to use unused tracks, it's usually something significant... Like an entire express track... But hey, what if I suggest turning the at 18th Av... As you observed, there's clearly a fetish for using those poor unused switches south of Ditmas! RR503 has spoken; there can't be any other reason for it! My point is, please stay on point. It's fine to call people out when they do something wrong, but there's no reason to extend the argument to questionable lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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