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Three tracks on IRT Nostrand; three tracks on Canarsie; redo uptown Broadway with three through tracks.

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38 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Can you elaborate on that please? 

All are two-track lines. Third track means either express service is an option, or disabled trains can be bypassed easily.

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(C) to Rockaway Park, Leff Blvd, Far Rockaway

(B) to 21 Street- Queensbridge

(2) to Bowling Green \

And the (T) be ready already... late nights the (W) can go up to 96th and go down to Hanover Square

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On 2/1/2019 at 5:48 PM, R62A7TrainFan said:

(C) to Rockaway Park, Leff Blvd, Far Rockaway

(B) to 21 Street- Queensbridge

(2) to Bowling Green \

And the (T) be ready already... late nights the (W) can go up to 96th and go down to Hanover Square

You would have the (W) serve Second Avenue late nights instead of the (T)?

 

 

 

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Make the segment under 149th street in the Bronx into 3 tracks instead of 2. Build a second "flyover" north of east 180th street so that the (2) and (5) tracks never have to cross each other during PM rush hours.

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I would put the Nevins st-Atlantic Ave. interlocking between Court Street-borough Hall and Hoyt Street so the (4)(5) trains can stop at Hoyt street. In addition to that, have the court st. (2)(3) station on 1 level with a single island platform.

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Honestly, if I were going to do this there are so many things I'd do that they'd take up a full page; the big one, though, would be turning any and all at-grade junctions into flying junctions, and reconfiguring all junctions such that trains didn't ever have to cross in front of each other

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Alright, bear with me, but this is going to get real crayon-y.

BRONX:

Swap the (2)(5) and (6) . This Pelham Line cuts from Westchester > 163rd > Westchester. This WPR stays on Southern. Hunts Point Av is a major transfer station on the scale of Jackson Heights.

Lexington Av Local - (6) to Wakefield and <6> to Dyre. 

Lexington Av Express - (4) to Woodlawn and (5) to BPK.

Seventh Av Express - (3) to Parkchester and (2) express to PBP.

WESTERN QUEENS/NORTH OF MIDTOWN:

60th St tunnel is four tracks. Flushing line is four tracks. They're connected and the entire thing is BMT. Local tracks take over the Whitestone Branch to Malba. Express tracks terminate at Broadway LIRR.

42nd St Line goes to Astoria.

53rd St is four tracks the entire length. The Sixth Avenue Line becomes the Queens Blvd local tracks. All four tracks head under Broadway, there is no express diversion via Northern. 63rd St does not exist in this timeline.

Crosstown line terminates at a lower level of Queens Plaza. Queensboro Plaza and Queens Plaza are one station.

DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN/DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN

Cranberry St tunnel is four tracks. But not in the way you'd think. Express tracks are 8th Av express and local tracks are Broadway local. There are platforms at Atlantic Barclays to connect with the BMT and IRT.

8th Av local goes over the Broadway Line south of Cortlandt St. After Montague there are two branches: the 4th Avenue local and the Myrtle Avenue elevated. Through service from the Nassau Street Line to Myrtle Av does not exist.

The Crosstown Line is an el using Manhattan Av, the BQE, and Bedford Av before joining up with the Franklin Av El, which is still ten cars long.

EASTERN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS

Instead of the Fulton Avenue Line replacing the Fulton El east of East New York, it replaces the Jamaica El. There are four tracks running from Downtown Brooklyn to Woodhaven Blvd. At this point, the express tracks go down the former Rockaway Beach Branch to the Rockaways. The local tracks proceed to Jamaica via Jamaica Avenue.

Downtown Jamaica looks very different. There are four tracks underneath Hillside; the Queens Blvd express runs onto the Hillside Av express. The Fulton/Jamaica local is the Hillside local. The Queens Blvd local runs underneath Jamaica Av and ends at 157/Liberty.

The Nassau St line runs over the Broadway el onto the three-tracked remains of the eastern Fulton Avenue El. There is no skip stop, but a <J> express from Lefferts Blvd runs during the peak hours.

And that concludes this episode of Wallyhorsin Around. Maybe I'll get bored and do a map of this.

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Just a few ideas on my mind:

As a weekday AM & PM Rush Hour (Q) commuter between 57 St-7 Av & Avenue U, I constantly deal with the horrid (N) merge at 34th St which will slow down my (Q) all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the (R) and (W). Also god forbid there'd be a (B) merging in front of the (Q) on the bridge going south, with all the timers, curves and insanely slow speed limits in the DeKalb Junction, this causes many gaps in service (Q) service south of DeKalb Av, when trains are supposed to run roughly 7 minutes apart but will go from 2-4 minute intervals to 13-16 minute intervals at times during rush hour. 

 

My plan would be to completely de-interline the Broadway Line and the DeKalb Junction during normal hours:

  • (N) 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via Sea Beach Daily, 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Local via Whitehall St.

 

  • (Q) 96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via West End (B'way Local during late nights).

 

  • (W) Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St via Broadway Local, Daily 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. To compensate for the loss of the (N) in Astoria, the (W) will have to be bumped up to approximately 14 trains per hour (frequency roughly every 4-5 minutes, similar to the (F)) during peak-times. Unfortunately Whitehall St is not a sufficient terminus to accommodate 14 trains per hour and without proper fleet numbers to extend into Brooklyn, a couple of (W) will have to short-turn at Canal St (upper level) during peak-times.  

 

  • (D) 205 St-Norwood to Coney Island via 6 Av Express/Brighton Local.

 

Fleet Swaps/Changes: 

(D) 

R68: 240 (30 Sets)

+1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

(N)

R68: 8 (1 Set)

R160: 210 (21 Sets)

+1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

(Q) 

R68: 8 (1 Set)

R160: 210 (21 Sets)

(W) 

R68: 24 (3 Sets)

R160: 170 (17 Sets)

+5 Sets of R160 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

Pros: 

  • Reduced congestion. 
  • Increased capacity.
  • Minimal delays (especially on the Manhattan Bridge, which can be an absolute nightmare).

Cons:

  • Astoria line loses Broadway Express service (although only 4 stops are skipped between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St, so not a huge loss).
  • Brighton line loses direct Broadway service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square.
  • West End & 4 Av Line loses direct 6 Av Service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square.

 

With this service pattern, there wouldn't be any interlining/merging of various lines, reducing delays and increasing capacity. 

Alternative Options:

  • Cut weekend (W) and replace it with (N) to Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Broadway Local. However this may cause signage complications and confusion among people.

 

  • Keep the (D) via West End, replace Sea Beach service with the (B), Bedford Park Blvd/145 St-Coney Island, normal hours (96 St-2 Av late nights), providing Central Park West with weekend service. (N) Astoria-Whitehall St via Local, (Q)<Q> 96 St-2 Av to Brighton Beach/Coney Island, (W) eliminated. However extended (B) service during nights via 6 Av may be viewed as superfluous (unnecessary) & long time Sea Beach Riders likely wouldn't be to fond of losing (N) service. 

 

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3 hours ago, R32s said:

I constantly deal with the horrid (N) merge at 34th St which will slow down my (Q) all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the (R) and (W).

Me too... even when you're on the (N) it's frustrating going to Times Square. Can't do that unless you wait for the (R) and (W) to leave first, then delaying those trains as the (N) passes through.

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21 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

And that concludes this episode of Wallyhorsin Around. Maybe I'll get bored and do a map of this.

Please do, some of your proposals are confusing to me right now such as the Bronx IRT, the Jamaica portion of the subway, the BMT Flushing line, and the Cranberry/Fulton Area. 

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Just now, Q Broadway Express said:

This would be the best thread to submit ideas for deinterlining the New York City subway system.

We already have a thread to discuss Deinterlining in the NYC Subway system. 

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