bwwnyc123 Posted May 27, 2018 Share #101 Posted May 27, 2018 Because connects to other Subway Lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted May 27, 2018 Share #102 Posted May 27, 2018 Did anyone ever suggest something like this (since it seems to be a real thing that's out. They actually had one in the city as a Hudson river tour ride, but it was an earlier one that looked more like a boat). Rather than just being a cross river ferry that takes you to a pier, it could extend land lines right across the river without having to use the high bridges and tunnels. On the Manhattan side, it would really only work from Houston and 23rd. Sts. since other obvious streets such as 14th, 10th or Grand are level with the FDR. Houston passes over the FDR, and you would have to extend the street over what is now a ballfield, to reach the river. (On Google, it looks like a new ballfield is being built right to the north of it). On 23rd, the ramp into the water would be right next to the cruise terminal, along the blank south wall, where the ship boarding is on the north side. On the Brooklyn side, the Houston crossing would connect with Grand and/or Metropolitan, and 23rd would connect with one of the Greenpoint Streets or Greenpoint Ave.; all of which run right up to the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted May 27, 2018 Share #103 Posted May 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Eric B said: Did anyone ever suggest something like this (since it seems to be a real thing that's out. They actually had one in the city as a Hudson river tour ride, but it was an earlier one that looked more like a boat). Rather than just being a cross river ferry that takes you to a pier, it could extend land lines right across the river without having to use the high bridges and tunnels. On the Manhattan side, it would really only work from Houston and 23rd. Sts. since other obvious streets such as 14th, 10th or Grand are level with the FDR. Houston passes over the FDR, and you would have to extend the street over what is now a ballfield, to reach the river. (On Google, it looks like a new ballfield is being built right to the north of it). On 23rd, the ramp into the water would be right next to the cruise terminal, along the blank south wall, where the ship boarding is on the north side. On the Brooklyn side, the Houston crossing would connect with Grand and/or Metropolitan, and 23rd would connect with one of the Greenpoint Streets or Greenpoint Ave.; all of which run right up to the water. A bus like this probably holds 60 people. You'd basically have a blockade running the width of the East River at the frequency you need to be an actual solution. Not to mention, I don't know how much the technology has improved, but in general amphibious vehicles have a really high maintenance cost because they need to be both a boat and a vehicle. The Hudson and East Rivers are saltwater, which can't possibly be good for those types of vehicles. And once the shutdown is over what are they going to do with all these amphibious buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted May 27, 2018 Share #104 Posted May 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Eric B said: Did anyone ever suggest something like this (since it seems to be a real thing that's out. They actually had one in the city as a Hudson river tour ride, but it was an earlier one that looked more like a boat). Rather than just being a cross river ferry that takes you to a pier, it could extend land lines right across the river without having to use the high bridges and tunnels. On the Manhattan side, it would really only work from Houston and 23rd. Sts. since other obvious streets such as 14th, 10th or Grand are level with the FDR. Houston passes over the FDR, and you would have to extend the street over what is now a ballfield, to reach the river. (On Google, it looks like a new ballfield is being built right to the north of it). On 23rd, the ramp into the water would be right next to the cruise terminal, along the blank south wall, where the ship boarding is on the north side. On the Brooklyn side, the Houston crossing would connect with Grand and/or Metropolitan, and 23rd would connect with one of the Greenpoint Streets or Greenpoint Ave.; all of which run right up to the water. 6 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: A bus like this probably holds 60 people. You'd basically have a blockade running the width of the East River at the frequency you need to be an actual solution. Not to mention, I don't know how much the technology has improved, but in general amphibious vehicles have a really high maintenance cost because they need to be both a boat and a vehicle. The Hudson and East Rivers are saltwater, which can't possibly be good for those types of vehicles. And once the shutdown is over what are they going to do with all these amphibious buses? I have to admit that's great technology tho...never seen nothing like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted May 27, 2018 Share #105 Posted May 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Eric B said: Did anyone ever suggest something like this (since it seems to be a real thing that's out. They actually had one in the city as a Hudson river tour ride, but it was an earlier one that looked more like a boat). Rather than just being a cross river ferry that takes you to a pier, it could extend land lines right across the river without having to use the high bridges and tunnels. On the Manhattan side, it would really only work from Houston and 23rd. Sts. since other obvious streets such as 14th, 10th or Grand are level with the FDR. Houston passes over the FDR, and you would have to extend the street over what is now a ballfield, to reach the river. (On Google, it looks like a new ballfield is being built right to the north of it). On 23rd, the ramp into the water would be right next to the cruise terminal, along the blank south wall, where the ship boarding is on the north side. On the Brooklyn side, the Houston crossing would connect with Grand and/or Metropolitan, and 23rd would connect with one of the Greenpoint Streets or Greenpoint Ave.; all of which run right up to the water. How long did it take the (old) Top Gear guys to make an amphibious car/truck? IIRC, I’m pretty sure the Nissan barely made it to Sangatte when they tried it on the English Channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 2, 2018 Share #106 Posted June 2, 2018 Are they going to re-open more entrances for this shutdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 2, 2018 Share #107 Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, N6 Limited said: Are they going to re-open more entrances for this shutdown? They should just for the fact that it’s getting full length trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted June 9, 2018 Share #108 Posted June 9, 2018 On 6/2/2018 at 3:10 PM, NewFlyer 230 said: They should just for the fact that it’s getting full length trains. Agreed! Any way to petition this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share #109 Posted June 9, 2018 On 6/2/2018 at 3:10 PM, NewFlyer 230 said: They should just for the fact that it’s getting full length trains. It's definitely being considered. Last I heard they're reopening entrances on the and are looking at some on the (Broadway, Flushing and Metropolitan come to mind but idk), but you must realize that there are factors holding the agency back here. Reopening entrances attracts ADA lawsuits, complicating such processes and increasing cost. Moreover, we actually don't manufacture new turnstile equipment anymore, so whatever we install in new entrances has to be cannibalized from whatever stocks are left from our production runs back in the '90s, or removed from other stations -- neither of which are optimal situations. Neither of these obstacles are totally insurmountable, but they're definitely factors to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 9, 2018 Share #110 Posted June 9, 2018 51 minutes ago, RR503 said: It's definitely being considered. Last I heard they're reopening entrances on the and are looking at some on the (Broadway, Flushing and Metropolitan come to mind but idk), but you must realize that there are factors holding the agency back here. Reopening entrances attracts ADA lawsuits, complicating such processes and increasing cost. Moreover, we actually don't manufacture new turnstile equipment anymore, so whatever we install in new entrances has to be cannibalized from whatever stocks are left from our production runs back in the '90s, or removed from other stations -- neither of which are optimal situations. Neither of these obstacles are totally insurmountable, but they're definitely factors to be considered. They can’t construct full height turnstiles either? I feel like those are better for eliminating turnstile hopping. The MTA can’t keep coming up with excuses when it comes to making service improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azspeedbullet Posted June 10, 2018 Share #111 Posted June 10, 2018 11 hours ago, RR503 said: Moreover, we actually don't manufacture new turnstile equipment anymore, so whatever we install in new entrances has to be cannibalized from whatever stocks are left from our production runs back in the '90s, or removed from other stations -- neither of which are optimal situations. Neither of these obstacles are totally insurmountable, but they're definitely factors to be considered. how did they get the turntile for 34st hudson yards and for the new stops on the second ave subway line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted June 10, 2018 Share #112 Posted June 10, 2018 12 hours ago, RR503 said: It's definitely being considered. Last I heard they're reopening entrances on the and are looking at some on the (Broadway, Flushing and Metropolitan come to mind but idk), but you must realize that there are factors holding the agency back here. Reopening entrances attracts ADA lawsuits, complicating such processes and increasing cost. Moreover, we actually don't manufacture new turnstile equipment anymore, so whatever we install in new entrances has to be cannibalized from whatever stocks are left from our production runs back in the '90s, or removed from other stations -- neither of which are optimal situations. Neither of these obstacles are totally insurmountable, but they're definitely factors to be considered. 6 minutes ago, azspeedbullet said: how did they get the turntile for 34st hudson yards and for the new stops on the second ave subway line? http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20151203/PHOTOFINISH/151209962/the-metropolitan-transportation-authority-began-making-its-old-turnstiles-to-furnish-the-new-34th-street-hudson-yards-station-required-a-supply-of-fare-collection-gates-the-city-didnt-have-after-superstorm-sandy-destroyed-their-spares According to this Crain's article, the turnstiles at 34 St and the 2 Av stations actually were produced brand-new because the MTA's spares, kept in a facility in Gowanus, were wiped out by Hurricane Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 10, 2018 Share #113 Posted June 10, 2018 Quote “We last built turnstiles approximately 20 years ago,” said Steve Brunner, director of North American operations for San Diego-based Cubic. “Almost every electronic component really has gone obsolete since then.” Even the company that made the turnstiles’ metal cabinets is now out of business. Using the original plans, Cubic had the metal frames made to order, and its manufacturing facility in Tullahoma, Tenn., which stockpiles discontinued electronics, was able to build the technology for the fare-card readers. Wow. Smartcards can't come soon enough. And some people thought replacing the MetroCard was a waste of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted June 10, 2018 Share #114 Posted June 10, 2018 16 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Wow. Smartcards can't come soon enough. And some people thought replacing the MetroCard was a waste of money... To be honest, the fare payment system should just be a bunch of cards like those Oyster Cards in London I think and maybe there should be sponsored watches similar to the ones at Disneyland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share #115 Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 11:03 AM, NewFlyer 230 said: They can’t construct full height turnstiles either? I feel like those are better for eliminating turnstile hopping. The MTA can’t keep coming up with excuses when it comes to making service improvement. Sorry for my late reply to this. As has been noted above, the issue isn't the physical turnstile equipment so much as it is the electronics and mechanics inside it. They aren't unbuildable, but the level of customization -- and therefore cost -- associated with their manufacture renders many entrance reopenings economically indefensible until NFP comes around. In fact, I'd wager that with that technology's advent, you'll see a wave of entrance reopenings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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