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Sex Toys ads to be allowed on NYC Subway trains

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4 hours ago, CenSin said:

Sex toys are catalysts like alcohol, IMO. Think about the association between alcohol and all of the innumerable ways one can screw up while intoxicated. Alcohol does not directly cause car accidents; the person has to get behind the wheel and drive first. Similarly, sex toys do not cause pregnancy nor STIs, but their use may involve activities that lead up to it. A sex toy may also transmit infected bodily fluids. There are plenty of possibilities for misuse that could lead to:

Repeat after me.

Teenagers do not need sex toys to start having sex. It almost always comes after.

Where I come from, you learn that from either seeing your parents at it at the ripe old age of 3, or you stay up to watch HBO late at night with Cartoon Network on "LAST".

Trust me, sex toys are the absolute last thing I'd expect to be called a "catalyst". 

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18 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:

This thread really has gone downhill...

I never thought a Transit thread would go so in depth about erotic behavior, and dildos, and people having orgies.

Oh relax. It's a discussion that's related to the OP, not a thirst convention.

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The ads in question aren't even really explicit tbh. If I saw them it wouldn't even occur to me they're for sex toys.

 

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6 hours ago, LTA1992 said:

Repeat after me.

Teenagers do not need sex toys to start having sex. It almost always comes after.

Where I come from, you learn that from either seeing your parents at it at the ripe old age of 3, or you stay up to watch HBO late at night with Cartoon Network on "LAST".

Trust me, sex toys are the absolute last thing I'd expect to be called a "catalyst". 

I’ve worked with teens and I know what’s normal behavior for a teen to exhibit. Teenagers, of course, know all about this stuff. (I never mentioned teens—you said it.)

It’s the 6-year-olds that don’t need to be acquainted with sex toys. They’re at that developmental stage where their brains soak up information—knowledge, behaviors, and sensations. Their curiosity might lead to problem behavior that detracts from what is developmentally appropriate in this society.

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2 hours ago, CenSin said:

I’ve worked with teens and I know what’s normal behavior for a teen to exhibit. Teenagers, of course, know all about this stuff. (I never mentioned teens—you said it.)

It’s the 6-year-olds that don’t need to be acquainted with sex toys. They’re at that developmental stage where their brains soak up information—knowledge, behaviors, and sensations. Their curiosity might lead to problem behavior that detracts from what is developmentally appropriate in this society.

Of course they gonna know what intercourse is, by the time they hit 4th grade, 
They got the discovery channel don't they?

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37 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

Of course they gonna know what intercourse is, by the time they hit 4th grade, 
They got the discovery channel don't they?

lol... eminem reference....

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3 hours ago, CenSin said:

I’ve worked with teens and I know what’s normal behavior for a teen to exhibit. Teenagers, of course, know all about this stuff. (I never mentioned teens—you said it.)

It’s the 6-year-olds that don’t need to be acquainted with sex toys. They’re at that developmental stage where their brains soak up information—knowledge, behaviors, and sensations. Their curiosity might lead to problem behavior that detracts from what is developmentally appropriate in this society.

As long as PornHub or Xvideos try to advertise in the NYCT Subway system, this shouldn't be traumatic to anyone.

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Lmao how long till we hear the prudes screaming like they did when Lane Bryant had an ad wrapped up on an (F) Train

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2 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:

@Via Garibaldi 8

What type of ppl do you tutor? And do you see any reflection on them based on sexual awareness?

What a question! I run the gamut from little ones in 2nd grade all the way up to 12th grade. Now I only tutor privately, but when I was teaching classes, I evenly had elderly folks in some of my Italian classes. Now most of the high schoolers need English, Math, History or Science so nothing too exciting. Math is what it is. I have two I'm working with now mainly so they have interaction with a native English speaker. With one we're doing a mix of things from Shakespeare to critical thinking exercises. He's great with Science and Math, but horrible with English, so his sexual awareness... Can't say anything about that, but I sincerely hope that his analyzation skills improve. May work with him over the summer, which is something I rarely do.

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13 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

What a question! I run the gamut from little ones in 2nd grade all the way up to 12th grade. Now I only tutor privately, but when I was teaching classes, I evenly had elderly folks in some of my Italian classes. Now most of the high schoolers need English, Math, History or Science so nothing too exciting. Math is what it is. I have two I'm working with now mainly so they have interaction with a native English speaker. With one we're doing a mix of things from Shakespeare to critical thinking exercises. He's great with Science and Math, but horrible with English, so his sexual awareness... Can't say anything about that, but I sincerely hope that his analyzation skills improve. May work with him over the summer, which is something I rarely do.

Yeah at that age it is really hard to analyze things unless you have matured or learned to master those skills. It can be normal at that age.

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On 5/27/2018 at 12:40 PM, CenSin said:

The right wing says this is a slippery slope to legalizing pedophilia and bestiality. I haven’t got any knowledge to make an informed opinion on that opinion. But one wonders if there are any societal side effects of liberalizing sex.

While I can't infer causation, societies with more liberal views on sexuality tend to have lower violent crime rates. In our society, sexuality in media is more taboo than violence in media. I'll leave the conclusions to the reader. 

On 5/28/2018 at 9:48 AM, CenSin said:

Sex toys are catalysts like alcohol, IMO. Think about the association between alcohol and all of the innumerable ways one can screw up while intoxicated. Alcohol does not directly cause car accidents; the person has to get behind the wheel and drive first. Similarly, sex toys do not cause pregnancy nor STIs, but their use may involve activities that lead up to it. A sex toy may also transmit infected bodily fluids. There are plenty of possibilities for misuse that could lead to:

 

On 5/28/2018 at 1:56 PM, LTA1992 said:

Repeat after me.

Teenagers do not need sex toys to start having sex. It almost always comes after.

Where I come from, you learn that from either seeing your parents at it at the ripe old age of 3, or you stay up to watch HBO late at night with Cartoon Network on "LAST".

Trust me, sex toys are the absolute last thing I'd expect to be called a "catalyst". 

Yeah I have to agree with LTA mostly, I don't think that exposure to a mildly-suggestive advertisement for a sex toy is going to have any causal link to a teenager becoming sexually active. 

Further, if you look at STI and teenage pregnancy rates in populations that practice abstinence-only education you might find that trying to shield the youth from knowledge in regard is counterproductive. 

We're all wired to want sex. It's how life propagates - it's an innate quality. Demonize that nature, and undesirable effects pop up as people become more likely to engage in less-safe behavior - shame in buying protection causing lower use-rates for example. Educate on safe practices, and the opposite is true. 

As for sex toys - I suppose sure higher adoption of such would lead to more women being comfortable with their sexuality, leading to more enjoyment in regard and seeking out such moreso than they might otherwise - but - it's not like ads for the things are going to increase teens access to the things. Last time I checked you had to be 18 to purchase them.

Realistically though the only thing catalyzed is a higher incidence of women enjoying their sexuality. The fact that society at large seems to balk at that speaks volumes.  

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8 hours ago, itmaybeokay said:

While I can't infer causation, societies with more liberal views on sexuality tend to have lower violent crime rates. In our society, sexuality in media is more taboo than violence in media. I'll leave the conclusions to the reader. 

 

Yeah I have to agree with LTA mostly, I don't think that exposure to a mildly-suggestive advertisement for a sex toy is going to have any causal link to a teenager becoming sexually active. 

Further, if you look at STI and teenage pregnancy rates in populations that practice abstinence-only education you might find that trying to shield the youth from knowledge in regard is counterproductive. 

We're all wired to want sex. It's how life propagates - it's an innate quality. Demonize that nature, and undesirable effects pop up as people become more likely to engage in less-safe behavior - shame in buying protection causing lower use-rates for example. Educate on safe practices, and the opposite is true. 

As for sex toys - I suppose sure higher adoption of such would lead to more women being comfortable with their sexuality, leading to more enjoyment in regard and seeking out such moreso than they might otherwise - but - it's not like ads for the things are going to increase teens access to the things. Last time I checked you had to be 18 to purchase them.

Realistically though the only thing catalyzed is a higher incidence of women enjoying their sexuality. The fact that society at large seems to balk at that speaks volumes.  

Have you read this yet?

On 5/28/2018 at 8:35 PM, CenSin said:

I’ve worked with teens and I know what’s normal behavior for a teen to exhibit. Teenagers, of course, know all about this stuff. (I never mentioned teens—you said it.)

It’s the 6-year-olds that don’t need to be acquainted with sex toys. They’re at that developmental stage where their brains soak up information—knowledge, behaviors, and sensations. Their curiosity might lead to problem behavior that detracts from what is developmentally appropriate in this society.

 

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4 hours ago, CenSin said:

Have you read this yet?

 

Well it's not like the ads in question really explained or demonstrated the act that those familiar with the concept would infer. I don't think anybody is arguing that sexually explicit ads should be allowed. 

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Although this thread is now a year old, it seems the tide has turned. Perhaps the MTA is against some sex toy ads, as indicated by this article.....

http://fortune.com/2019/06/19/sex-toys-dame-mta-ads-lawsuit/

Is it legal for the MTA to block such ads? Probably not. Last I looked, we still have a First Amendment in place.

Should the MTA use good sense in placing these ads in the some places rather than others? They should. The Museum of Sex ads were a flop because the ads were right at the front of the bus where several female bus operators were harassed by immature and disrespectful commuters. Maybe the ads should be at the rear of the bus, or if it can be done, wrapped onto a portion of some subway cars. Billboards at the subway or railroad stations should be ok. 

This is NYC after all. If ads for male virility products can be advertised, why not marital aids and the like?

And for those who are concerned about children seeing such ads, and potential harassment that might come from the ads, keep in mind that NYC has seen much worse. When I was younger, I'd go with my parents and cousins to the circus at MSG, and wonder what the XXX store off in the distance was all about. I might've had a clue at 8 or 9 years old, but life went on.

With ads for this and that, and bombardment about other topics in the 'news' (Kim Kardashian breaks the internet - that sort of thing), an ad for marital aids should be the least of anyone's worries. Besides, it could be couched as a safe sex practice, and the MTA could use the revenue from the ads. Win win.

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I have to wonder if/how all those “Museum If Sex” ads would come into play, considering those have been around for years.

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America.

Land of the "free", but can't talk about sex in the open.

Meanwhile, on TV...

PS: I realized I forgot a quip. And that quip is the fact that I was a teenager not that long ago and they didn't disappear once I turned 20. People telling me they work with teens, expecting that to mean anything to me, is hilarious.

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On 6/21/2019 at 9:16 AM, LTA1992 said:

America.

Land of the "free", but can't talk about sex in the open...

That, but remember that for some reason, males tend to act such asses over anything sexual in public that it leads to harassment.

Lest we forget the worldstar video on the (6) from years ago, or the rampant tendencies for some males to whip johnsons out or rub them up on people on trains.

And then there’s the Tumblr porn...

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23 hours ago, Deucey said:

That, but remember that for some reason, males tend to act such asses over anything sexual in public that it leads to harassment.

Lest we forget the worldstar video on the (6) from years ago, or the rampant tendencies for some males to whip johnsons out or rub them up on people on trains.

And then there’s the Tumblr porn...

Perhaps those men ought to be shamed for behaving like neanderthals, rather than discouraging society as a whole from discussing sex more.

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2 hours ago, ttcsubwayfan said:

Perhaps those men ought to be shamed for behaving like neanderthals, rather than discouraging society as a whole from discussing sex more.

They are. Yet more still keep appearing.

It’s a nice sentiment you have, but it’s not realistic. Until the US has an actual sex education policy that actually educates instead of shaming and sexualizing with puritanical ideals in the background, you’ll always have folks offended by bare breasts and condom ads.

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The problem with this country is that there is no solid and inclusive Sex Education programs. Schools across America do incorporate this, but in state's where you have opt-out's and in NY State if you are in Elementary or Middle School you can opt out, it basically sends out a message of ignorance. People are meant to have sex some time within their lifespan whether it be for pleasure or family planning, the way this country instills sex into the mind of people is being something highly inappropriate, disgraceful, and something that should not be done. Sex is something that of course many people enjoy and love to do, but if we don't provide resources necessary on how to ensure people in this country from all walks of life get the appropriate and necessary sex education information they need, and as long as these kids keep getting opted out, there will never be a solid and organized position on how this conversation can formally go.

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13 hours ago, Deucey said:

They are. Yet more still keep appearing.

It’s a nice sentiment you have, but it’s not realistic. Until the US has an actual sex education policy that actually educates instead of shaming and sexualizing with puritanical ideals in the background, you’ll always have folks offended by bare breasts and condom ads.

In all honesty, I'm not sure enough is being done in the circumstances that are present.

I often get the impression that aside from a fringe group of feminists on the internet, no one really seems to give much of a care. I remember back in the fall of 2016, when Trump was under fire for the explicit comments that he was making - there was no shortage of people who were ready to dismiss the comments as just "boys being boys". I think that even a modicum of self reflection on the part of these people would go a long way, but perhaps you're right that it's not realistic.

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1 hour ago, ttcsubwayfan said:

I remember back in the fall of 2016, when Trump was under fire for the explicit comments that he was making - there was no shortage of people who were ready to dismiss the comments as just "boys being boys". I think that even a modicum of self reflection on the part of these people would go a long way, but perhaps you're right that it's not realistic.

They’d have to be told early on that it’s “wrong.” And it’d have to be said for a generation to stick. Remember that half the states used their electoral vote for a guy who boasted about sexually assaulting women 4 YEARS after one senate candidate created the term “legitimate rape.”

So there’s that.

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Here is a slightly different case which is also related to the general 'testing' of the First Amendment....

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics/supreme-court-fuct-first-amendment/index.html

Based on this ruling, it seems that the US Supreme Court would be more inclined to support First Amendment rights over other 'ancillary' concerns or situations.

While the points about a lack of maturity / sophistication  among some members of the general public are of concern, doesn't it get to a point where the whole populace has to be treated as an infantile body?

As for the pervs that cause trouble on mass transit, aren't there already laws on the books to lock up such creeps? If the MTA will have police enforce fare payment laws, why can't the additional police presence be used to deter / go after the pervs?

Must every ad pass a sanctity test before being posted?  How about fast food or soda ads...should we ban these too? People will see these ads and consume cardio-toxic, unappetizing slop (IMO).

I used to see ads for credit unions on buses. I find these offensive.....https://www.crainsnewyork.com/markets/city-credit-unions-ex-ceo-sentenced-embezzling-10m

In short, we're NYC and not Utah. Let's be the mature / sophisticated people we're supposed to be and allow the sex toy ads to appear in the proper places on mass transit, and go after the pervs and other trouble-makers that are actually causing problems for people. 

 

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7 hours ago, Uncle Floyd Fan said:

As for the pervs that cause trouble on mass transit, aren't there already laws on the books to lock up such creeps?

Yup. But they have to be caught. And those doing the catching have to think it serious enough to do the catching.

Meaning “Boys will be boys” has to die.

7 hours ago, Uncle Floyd Fan said:

If the MTA will have police enforce fare payment laws, why can't the additional police presence be used to deter / go after the pervs?

Ask BdB and the dumbass from Queens.

7 hours ago, Uncle Floyd Fan said:

Must every ad pass a sanctity test before being posted?  How about fast food or soda ads...should we ban these too? People will see these ads and consume cardio-toxic, unappetizing slop (IMO).

You have puritanical liberals on one side, then puritanical conservatives on the other all regulating what can be shown in public or on the wrong side of the watershed.

Abolish Puritanism and you have a shot. But what’s really needed, since I’m uninterested in the bigots dropping N-bombs on TV or on the side of buses, what’s really needed is an actual decency standard.

7 hours ago, Uncle Floyd Fan said:

While the points about a lack of maturity / sophistication  among some members of the general public are of concern, doesn't it get to a point where the whole populace has to be treated as an infantile body?

If only the irresponsible gun owners could be separated from the responsible ones before the mass shootings...

Problem is no one knows who pervs or demons are until they victimize someone - unless you’re into the Minority Report life.

But because puritanical beliefs produce so many taboos and enforce them via shaming, this is what you get.

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