Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 26, 2018 Share #1 Posted July 26, 2018 http://www.nystateofpolitics.com/2018/07/molinaro-blasts-proposed-mta-toll-and-fare-hike/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted July 26, 2018 Share #2 Posted July 26, 2018 Really is a shame that Cuomo has the upper hand when it comes to support for NY's next governor. Nixon and Molinaro can say everything and anything they want, but if Cuomo gets his way (extremely likely). That certainly won't stop him from continuing to justify fare hikes with an ailing system and agency in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted July 26, 2018 Share #3 Posted July 26, 2018 Frankly, given how dismal transit is statewide, it's actually bothersome that creation of a statewide transit trustfund or lockboxed transit tax isn't a bipartisan aim. But then given how authoritarian NY is, I'm not surprised that it's all about seeking power and doing nothing with it except beating the party opposite over the head. NY needs a weak central government. Next time for a Con-Con, we should really fight for a ballot initiative right so we can govern ourselves - since Albany won't govern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted July 26, 2018 Share #4 Posted July 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Deucey said: Frankly, given how dismal transit is statewide, it's actually bothersome that creation of a statewide transit trustfund or lockboxed transit tax isn't a bipartisan aim. But then given how authoritarian NY is, I'm not surprised that it's all about seeking power and doing nothing with it except beating the party opposite over the head. NY needs a weak central government. Next time for a Con-Con, we should really fight for a ballot initiative right so we can govern ourselves - since Albany won't govern. Good luck waiting til 2037. And the locals aren't necessarily better; look at how Nassau treats transit, or how Westchester treats affordable housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted July 26, 2018 Share #5 Posted July 26, 2018 7 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: Good luck waiting til 2037. And the locals aren't necessarily better; look at how Nassau treats transit, or how Westchester treats affordable housing. The inherent problem - making it worse than even basic transit nonchalance, is that transit leadership is a patronage gig instead of an elected thing. But that's the East Coast - 1920s Progressivism in putting decisions in the hand of the public missed this entire part of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted July 26, 2018 Share #6 Posted July 26, 2018 If there's one thing that I can agree with is that Cuomo does need to start taking responsibility for the subways but all of us knowing him, he won't. Also, I don't want the fares to be $3.25 in 2021, that's only gonna make the ridership decline issue WORSE. Also, I'm gonna agree with @Deucey with his first 2 statements, and @bobtehpanda with his statement, if NY had a weak central government, then things won't go well at all. And if only I could vote (which I'm currently not old enough to do so), I'd probably vote for Molinaro partly since I tend to be on the Republican side (despite not being into politics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: If there's one thing that I can agree with is that Cuomo does need to start taking responsibility for the subways but all of us knowing him, he won't. Also, I don't want the fares to be $3.25 in 2021, that's only gonna make the ridership decline issue WORSE. Also, I'm gonna agree with @Deucey with his first 2 statements, and @bobtehpanda with his statement, if NY had a weak central government, then things won't go well at all. And if only I could vote (which I'm currently not old enough to do so), I'd probably vote for Molinaro partly since I tend to be on the Republican side (despite not being into politics). A young Republican... We need to clone you all over this City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted July 26, 2018 Share #8 Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: A young Republican... We need to clone you all over this City. I like some of their social conservatism, but their policies are sopratutto bad. I would avoid labels like Democrat and Republican since they are both dysfunctional parties at this point. People who have the best from both have no name and no representation. What is a Republican to you anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share #9 Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, CenSin said: I like some of their social conservatism, but their policies are sopratutto bad. I would avoid labels like Democrat and Republican since they are both dysfunctional parties at this point. People who have the best from both have no name and no representation. What is a Republican to you anyway? I tend to like moderate Republicans like Marty Golden. I'm an Independent, and I have become more fiscally conservative for sure as time goes on and I see how much of our tax dollars are wasted on social programs that make no sense. And since when did "sopratutto" become a word used in English? I'm willing to put money on it, that two years from now, the will come back to the public crying that they are broke and sopratutto that fare evasion is even worse, despite the City allocating hundreds of millions of dollars for reduced Metrocards for the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted July 26, 2018 Share #10 Posted July 26, 2018 6 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: If there's one thing that I can agree with is that Cuomo does need to start taking responsibility for the subways.... The State (i.e. Cuomo) merely controls the agency that runs the system. The City actually owns the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimB Posted July 27, 2018 Share #11 Posted July 27, 2018 I guess it's time to start biking from Far Rockaway to Lower Manhattan every day. It will only take double the time and be sweaty when I get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted July 27, 2018 Share #12 Posted July 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: The State (i.e. Cuomo) merely controls the agency that runs the system. The City actually owns the system. The city owns the system, but not the thing that makes money to fund the system (TBTA tolled crossings), and the state would never hand that over. ======================================================================================================= IMO the major issue is that business no longer has skin in the game. The finance guys don't care, the tech bros don't care, real estate has figured out that you don't need an actual subway extension for development to happen, and the contractors are more than happy to rip off the MTA for fatter profits. My new home city requires employers to account for how their employees get to work, and specifically calls for them to commit to reducing driving rates. This has resulted in employers funding free transit passes, free bikeshare, and everything and the kitchen sink to get their employees to mitigate their transportation impact, and employers working together to make sure infrastructure gets funded. As a result, we're spending ever increasing amounts on transit, including $55B and 62 miles in transit expansion projects through 2040. Imagine if New York was that forward looking; we can't even fund a three stop subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted July 28, 2018 Share #13 Posted July 28, 2018 I wonder how the response is gonna be when the fare is $3.00. I'm imagining political and public uproar, with the transit unions unhappy as well.* *Not surprised if some were to protest over this... 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitfan111 Posted July 29, 2018 Share #14 Posted July 29, 2018 Meh I'm not surprised. I mean... wages are going up so everything will cost more right? Someone will have to pay those workers... But the money needs to be used more efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share #15 Posted July 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, transitfan111 said: Meh I'm not surprised. I mean... wages are going up so everything will cost more right? Someone will have to pay those workers... But the money needs to be used more efficiently. Wages are going up for who? Wages overall have remained flat for most people for years now. The minimum wage is going up, but those people earn peanuts as it is. One lady confessed to making $13.00 an hour. That's a little over $27,000 a year. I've made more than that some years when I was still in college. Can't imagine trying to live off of that. Even at $15.00 an hour's that's still just a little over $31,000 a year. Unless you're living at home, good luck living off of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitfan111 Posted July 29, 2018 Share #16 Posted July 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Wages are going up for who? Wages overall have remained flat for most people for years now. The minimum wage is going up, but those people earn peanuts as it is. One lady confessed to making $13.00 an hour. That's a little over $27,000 a year. I've made more than that some years when I was still in college. Can't imagine trying to live off of that. Even at $15.00 an hour's that's still just a little over $31,000 a year. Unless you're living at home, good luck living off of that. Well you can't just keep paying $2.75 forever right? It'll have to go up gradually to keep up with inflation. And to your second point, maybe they should stop giving raises to transit workers then eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share #17 Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, transitfan111 said: Well you can't just keep paying $2.75 forever right? It'll have to go up gradually to keep up with inflation. And to your second point, maybe they should stop giving raises to transit workers then eh? That's the thing. These increases are higher than the rate of inflation. We've had 5 fare hikes in 9 years. If the service was good it would be easier to swallow for most, but it isn't just the fares going up. Lots of people are paying more either by loss of wages or paying more for Ubers, etc. I don't think it's sustainable which is why we're seeing losses in bus and subway service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelestor Posted July 29, 2018 Share #18 Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: That's the thing. These increases are higher than the rate of inflation. We've had 5 fare hikes in 9 years. If the service was good it would be easier to swallow for most, but it isn't just the fares going up. Lots of people are paying more either by loss of wages or paying more for Ubers, etc. I don't think it's sustainable which is why we're seeing losses in bus and subway service. A fair amount of transit systems do biennial fare increases indexed to inflation, and those go through fine. The problem is the MTA's fare increases are in 25-cent increments ($0.50/$1 for unlimited passes) instead of 5 cents so the fares are rising way too fast. But it's clear that the city / state governments doesn't actually care about transit or the surface traffic congestion, otherwise someone would've stepped in by now. Actually, I'm not certain what the politicians' priorities seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share #19 Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Caelestor said: A fair amount of transit systems do biennial fare increases indexed to inflation, and those go through fine. The problem is the MTA's fare increases are in 25-cent increments ($0.50/$1 for unlimited passes) instead of 5 cents so the fares are rising way too fast. But it's clear that the city / state governments doesn't actually care about transit or the surface traffic congestion, otherwise someone would've stepped in by now. Actually, I'm not certain what the politicians' priorities seem to be. The has just started with these frequent fare increases of 4% or more recently. With the way rents have shot up and just about everything else, people are watching their money. What we're really seeing is those with money are switching to Uber or other car hailing services, myself included. I have a meeting coming up this week that I have to attend. Not sure if I will be using the subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted July 30, 2018 Share #20 Posted July 30, 2018 Even if the NYCT fares go up to $3, remember that starting in January most poor people can go to the Food Stamp office to get themselves those low income MetroCards and only pay $1.50. Either that or more people will just hop right on the back of the bus and jump the turnstyles on the subway 🤷♂️. Even I board the bus thru the back if it's crowded and I know the next one ain't coming for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share #21 Posted July 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, paulrivera said: Even if the NYCT fares go up to $3, remember that starting in January most poor people can go to the Food Stamp office to get themselves those low income MetroCards and only pay $1.50. Either that or more people will just hop right on the back of the bus and jump the turnstyles on the subway 🤷♂️. Even I board the bus thru the back if it's crowded and I know the next one ain't coming for a while. lol... Please. Those people will NEVER pay. They'll get those cards and try to re-sell them if anything. It's like the seniors. Most of them that have reduced fare Metrocards... They'll dip those and throw in a coin or two and that's all you're getting. They feel like they're entitled to ride for even less than they already pay. That's the problem with the entire system. Everyone feels "entitled" so no one wants to pay. The few that do... Us suckers are the ones being taken for a ride (literally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted July 30, 2018 Share #22 Posted July 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: lol... Please. Those people will NEVER pay. They'll get those cards and try to re-sell them if anything. It's like the seniors. Most of them that have reduced fare Metrocards... They'll dip those and throw in a coin or two and that's all you're getting. They feel like they're entitled to ride for even less than they already pay. That's the problem with the entire system. Everyone feels "entitled" so no one wants to pay. The few that do... Us suckers are the ones being taken for a ride (literally). Can't argue with this. All these folks I see get on without a swipe yet when my unlimited runs out, I walk to St George to purchase the next one. And I even will dip it when getting off at St George if I had to board S40/44 at the back. We honest folks get hosed, but that's how we're built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share #23 Posted July 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Deucey said: Can't argue with this. All these folks I see get on without a swipe yet when my unlimited runs out, I walk to St George to purchase the next one. And I even will dip it when getting off at St George if I had to board S40/44 at the back. We honest folks get hosed, but that's how we're built. What I'm getting sick of is people getting on the damn express bus in Manhattan and then walking up and down the aisle asking if anyone has change for a $10 or a $20, then they get to ride for free. Some lady got on the BxM2 last week at 63rd and Broadway. A whole discussion and we sat and sat. She finally gets on then comes back to where I'm at asking if I had change for a $10. I stopped her before she even got too close because even if I did I wasn't getting my wallet for that. I walk all the way to 242nd or 231st and Broadway for a Metrocard, and these people are in Manhattan and can't get one in advance? The excuse that they don't know the fare is becoming tiring. It's $6.50 coins or a Metrocard. Look it up on the damn phone! Signs are posted on the side of the bus too. People constantly gawk at the express buses especially but then get on and don't know the fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted August 3, 2018 Share #24 Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/25/2018 at 9:58 PM, Via Garibaldi 8 said: http://www.nystateofpolitics.com/2018/07/molinaro-blasts-proposed-mta-toll-and-fare-hike/ Should have thought about that before the State Legislature passed a law in 2010 requiring fare increases every two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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