Union Tpke Posted August 9, 2018 Share #1 Posted August 9, 2018 Hillside Avenue Widening at Springfield Boulevard and 219th Street for the future extension of the Hillside Avenue Subway by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Avenue Widening at Springfield Boulevard and 219th Street for the future extension of the Hillside Avenue Subway by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Avenue Widening at Springfield Boulevard and 219th Street for the future extension of the Hillside Avenue Subway by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Extension 1 by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Extension by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Extension 6 by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Extension 7 by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Hillside Extension 5 by Union Turnpike, on Flickr From Queens Boro Hall and Worthpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted August 9, 2018 Share #2 Posted August 9, 2018 Did the road get widened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted August 9, 2018 Yes. Zoom out the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted August 10, 2018 Share #4 Posted August 10, 2018 Interesting find there UT. Just a small quibble: do try to keep the thread titles relatively short. Otherwise, it screws with the page formatting. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted August 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Lance said: Interesting find there UT. Just a small quibble: do try to keep the thread titles relatively short. Otherwise, it screws with the page formatting. That is all. Thanks. There is a limit for title length. If having it too long messes up the page formatting, I would suggest limiting the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted August 11, 2018 Share #6 Posted August 11, 2018 Too bad it never was expanded beyond 184th street....there could have been stations at 188th Street, Francis Lewis Blvd., and Springfield Blvd. And perhaps even further, to the city line with a few more stops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted August 14, 2018 Share #7 Posted August 14, 2018 Does anyone know why the Hillside Line wasn't extended beyond 184th street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 14, 2018 Share #8 Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, N6 Limited said: Does anyone know why the Hillside Line wasn't extended beyond 184th street? $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted August 14, 2018 Share #9 Posted August 14, 2018 To add on, it was a challenge to get the line as far it did. Getting it past 169 Street became extremely difficult in the midst of the Great Depression and the onset of WWII. After that, and realizing they needed an adequate terminal for the and , the line was extended to its present terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted August 14, 2018 Share #10 Posted August 14, 2018 How did 169th street work as a terminal anyway with 4 tracks and 2 side platforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted August 15, 2018 It shared terminal responsibilities with Parsons Boulevard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 15, 2018 Share #12 Posted August 15, 2018 4 hours ago, N6 Limited said: How did 169th street work as a terminal anyway with 4 tracks and 2 side platforms? It was a major safety hazard. That's why 169 St has those gates by its stairwells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted August 15, 2018 Share #13 Posted August 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: It was a major safety hazard. That's why 169 St has those gates by its stairwells. Did some trains terminate at Parsons and used the "tail tracks" to switch ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted August 15, 2018 Share #14 Posted August 15, 2018 5 hours ago, N6 Limited said: How did 169th street work as a terminal anyway with 4 tracks and 2 side platforms? Operationally, local trains would use the crossovers just east of 169 to access the express tracks. The switch between the two express tracks was a double xover back then, so trains would simply relay there. Express trains would terminate at Parsons relaying east using the still extant xovers. 45 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: It was a major safety hazard. That's why 169 St has those gates by its stairwells. I don’t follow. Are you referring to area crime? Or crowding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 15, 2018 Share #15 Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, RR503 said: Operationally, local trains would use the crossovers just east of 169 to access the express tracks. The switch between the two express tracks was a double xover back then, so trains would simply relay there. Express trains would terminate at Parsons relaying east using the still extant xovers. I don’t follow. Are you referring to area crime? Or crowding? Crowding. Every set of stairs at 169th has bars leading up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted August 15, 2018 Share #16 Posted August 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, RR503 said: Operationally, local trains would use the crossovers just east of 169 to access the express tracks. The switch between the two express tracks was a double xover back then, so trains would simply relay there. Express trains would terminate at Parsons relaying east using the still extant xovers. Thanks, I figured it had to somehow work like that. 3 minutes ago, RR503 said: I don’t follow. Are you referring to area crime? Or crowding? Crowding. There are gates by the stairwells to prevent people from falling on to the tracks when queuing to go up to the mezz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted August 15, 2018 Share #17 Posted August 15, 2018 The 165th Street bus terminal is nearby, and with everyone heading up to take the bus, there was a need to install those gates. https://web.archive.org/web/20120204051254/http://www.stationreporter.net/ftrain.htm Quote 169th Street (169th Street and Hillside Ave) Opened 4/24/1937: Local stop, 4 tracks on 2 side platforms, full length mezzanine and 2 fare control areas, each having 4 street stairs. Full time side at 169th Street, P/T side at 168th Street, in the 1990's the booth operations were switched. At one time before Archer Ave opened in 1988 and when the E train also ran to 179th Street as a local, while the F was the Hillside express, it was considered to be the most congested station along the entire Queens Blvd line. Numerous bus lines either started outside the station entrances or at the nearby 165th Street bus terminal. There still exists crowd bars attached to each of the 7 Jamaica-bound staircases at platform level in order to "feed" the customers into the staircase, instead of crowding around it, which can create a dangerous condition if the bars were not installed. Manhattan-bound side has 5 stairs to platform level. A "DO NOT RUN" sign from decades ago is still visible at the Full time side, by the eastern end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted August 15, 2018 Share #18 Posted August 15, 2018 Wow. Knew bus terminal forced some runs to go local during off peak, but didn't know crowding was that bad. Thanks for the info all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted August 15, 2018 Share #19 Posted August 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, RR503 said: Wow. Knew bus terminal forced some runs to go local during rush, but didn't know crowding was that bad. Thanks for the info all! Yes crowding was bad because there was no Jamaica Center at the time and virtually all S/E Queens buses went up to Hillside Ave. The also went to 168th street. It probably would have been better if 169th street was the (or an) express station with an intermodal connection to an improved Bus Terminal and in system transfer to the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Tan Posted February 1, 2019 Share #20 Posted February 1, 2019 On 8/9/2018 at 5:17 PM, BreeddekalbL said: Did the road get widened? Yep, Hillside Avenue got widened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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