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On 9/9/2018 at 4:21 AM, East New York said:

This thread will be to discuss all pending and planned SBS routes throughout the 5 boroughs. Planning calls for these routes to be rolled out through the next decade. For discussion about current SBS service, please refer to the existing, and recently renamed General SBS Discussion Thread.

 

Listed below are all the planned SBS routes as of September 9, 2018. Current priority is B82, M14, and S90. Please remember all information is subject to change without notice. 

 

Bronx Division

Bx3, Bx9, Bx15, Bx19, Bx28/38, Bx36, Bx40/42

 

Brooklyn Division

B6, B15, B35, B38*, B41, B82

*New Brooklyn Crosstown SBS may end up being some version of the B38 SBS vs an all new route.

 

Manhattan Division

M14, M96

 

Queens Division**

Q6, Q12, Q25, Q27, Q43, Q46, Q58, Q65, Q66 to Manhattan, Q85, Q113/114

** Please note Queens will be the last borough to undergo bus redesign. All planned SBS services for this borough will be put on hold until 2021. 

 

Staten Island

S90 or Some new SBS form of it.

 

 

 

S90 SBS? That's a failure already...

Also how would the M96 work?

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1 minute ago, Lawrence St said:

Also how would the M96 work?

What do you mean how would it work?

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1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

What do you mean how would it work?

Like would it become articulated, where would the SBS lanes go, etc.

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5 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

What do you mean how would it work?

Oh I'm sorry I'm thinking of the M98, my bad lmao

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7 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

S90 SBS? That's a failure already...

Also how would the M96 work?

S90 SBS – North Shore BRT

M96 will be one of the next ones.

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7 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

S90 SBS? That's a failure already...

Also how would the M96 work?

How would you know if its a failure if sbs on the S90 doesn't even exist yet? The M96 would probably work like the other crosstown sbs routes. 

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2 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

How would you know if its a failure if sbs on the S90 doesn't even exist yet? The M96 would probably work like the other crosstown sbs routes. 

For the M96, would it be slightly fast like the crosstowns? If so, its another reason why we need more streets converted to busways. Fulton Street in Brooklyn already works (somehow), so why not in Manhattan?

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10 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

How would you know if its a failure if sbs on the S90 doesn't even exist yet? The M96 would probably work like the other crosstown sbs routes. 

I was thinking of the M98

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L Project Weekly #10: This week's news, that Court Sq moving walkway, Select Bus Service coming to 14th Street

Non-L Project update: Select Bus Service is coming to 14th Street in Manhattan

It's not the L Project. Or the L. But it partially would run right above where the L is, so we thought you'd be interested to get the news that we've committed to operating a permanent Select Bus Service on 14th Street in Manhattan.

We'll be partnering with NYC DOT on the planning, design and implementation of bus priority along the route including bus lanes on 14th Street. Our next step is to do a proper community input process on our initial proposed route (see above photo), so more to come.

47065072592_edbf34f491_b.jpgunnamed by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

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3 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

L Project Weekly #10: This week's news, that Court Sq moving walkway, Select Bus Service coming to 14th Street

Non-L Project update: Select Bus Service is coming to 14th Street in Manhattan

It's not the L Project. Or the L. But it partially would run right above where the L is, so we thought you'd be interested to get the news that we've committed to operating a permanent Select Bus Service on 14th Street in Manhattan.

We'll be partnering with NYC DOT on the planning, design and implementation of bus priority along the route including bus lanes on 14th Street. Our next step is to do a proper community input process on our initial proposed route (see above photo), so more to come.

47065072592_edbf34f491_b.jpgunnamed by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

So the m14 routes will be fully converted instead of being a separate route. 

Don't really get why this wasn't the first plan. Probably because of the (L) but it's good to hear the oddball Quill artic routes will be fully converted.

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6 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

So the m14 routes will be fully converted instead of being a separate route. 

Don't really get why this wasn't the first plan. Probably because of the (L) but it's good to hear the oddball Quill artic routes will be fully converted.

 

The current M14A/D cannot absorb the ridership the L has (especially during the rush) 

 

They probably also realized how bad fare beating is on the route too 

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16 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

L Project Weekly #10: This week's news, that Court Sq moving walkway, Select Bus Service coming to 14th Street

Non-L Project update: Select Bus Service is coming to 14th Street in Manhattan

It's not the L Project. Or the L. But it partially would run right above where the L is, so we thought you'd be interested to get the news that we've committed to operating a permanent Select Bus Service on 14th Street in Manhattan.

We'll be partnering with NYC DOT on the planning, design and implementation of bus priority along the route including bus lanes on 14th Street. Our next step is to do a proper community input process on our initial proposed route (see above photo), so more to come.

47065072592_edbf34f491_b.jpgunnamed by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

This is going to be interesting. I'm wondering how Manhattan Community Boards 4, 5, and 6 are going to react to this? What will they propose for the 14th Street corridor? Will they proposed the traditional curbside or offset bus lanes? Or will advocate for the full 14th Street closure or a median busway? So many questions to be asked here about this M14 SBS plan. Also keep in mind that they are the EXACT three community boards who asked for median busways along 23rd Street M23 SBS back in 2016, so they could ask for something similar to that.

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1 minute ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Well, I'm hoping for XN60's to appear on the M14 (A/D) SBS. I wonder how this is going to turn out

 

That can't happen. Do you mean XE60s?

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5 minutes ago, OIG119 said:

That can't happen. Do you mean XE60s?

Yes, I don't know bus models too well. But to describe what I'm trying to say, here's a picture that was taken by non other than me

IMG_8432

 

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13 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

No wonder why quill is getting more lfsa buses. 

The MQ SBS routes will be 100% LFSAs when all said and done. 113 buses (77 2017-18s and 36 2019s) will be enough to provide enough service for the current SBS routes.

6 minutes ago, OIG119 said:

That can't happen. Do you mean XE60s?

Quill is getting the 15 XE60s for the M14. 40 2011-13 LFSAs and 15 XE60s would be enough for the M14 and M35 routes.

All XD60s at Quill will be going to other depots in Manhattan and Brooklyn to retire older buses and expand articulation.

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16 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

The MQ SBS routes will be 100% LFSAs when all said and done. 113 buses (77 2017-18s and 36 2019s) will be enough to provide enough service for the current SBS routes.

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Which makes sense. But since the L train thing was cancelled it was presumed that the LFSAs would just be for local service but seeing this that they're going to convert the current routes into sbs or I should say propose to it makes more sense to why quill is getting more.

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2 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Which makes sense. But since the L train thing was cancelled it was presumed that the LFSAs would just be for local service but seeing this that they're going to convert the current routes into sbs or I should say propose to it makes more sense to why quill is getting more.

The thing is that the M14 SBS is a long way from happening, but it will happen. The 36 LFSAs will go straight to SBS, and the 15 XE60s will be for local service, with the local fleet ending up with 55 buses. That way, there's more than enough buses for all of the Quill to cover service.

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2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

L Project Weekly #10: This week's news, that Court Sq moving walkway, Select Bus Service coming to 14th Street

Non-L Project update: Select Bus Service is coming to 14th Street in Manhattan

It's not the L Project. Or the L. But it partially would run right above where the L is, so we thought you'd be interested to get the news that we've committed to operating a permanent Select Bus Service on 14th Street in Manhattan.

We'll be partnering with NYC DOT on the planning, design and implementation of bus priority along the route including bus lanes on 14th Street. Our next step is to do a proper community input process on our initial proposed route (see above photo), so more to come.

47065072592_edbf34f491_b.jpgunnamed by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

Hold up, unless the plan changed, the M14D was going to be converted to SBS, as it was in the original plan (before the (L) shutdown even came into play) while the M14A would have remained the local. Maybe @East New York can shed some more light on this.

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28 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Hold up, unless the plan changed, the M14D was going to be converted to SBS, as it was in the original plan (before the (L) shutdown even came into play) while the M14A would have remained the local. Maybe @East New York can shed some more light on this.

It already has. Went from the original plan to a temporary M14 SBS and now we have this. And just because @East New York didn't mention it dosen't mean the MTA did not come up with this plan.

@Union Tpke is another member who knows how to get to the behind the scenes with the MTA so he is definitely reliable.

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Just now, MysteriousBtrain said:

It already has. Went from the original plan to a temporary M14 SBS and now we have this. And just because @East New York didn't mention it dosen't mean it wasn't in the plans before.

@Union Tpke is another member who knows how to get to the behind the scenes with the MTA so he is definitely reliable.

The M14SBS was never suppose to be temporary-at least not the main part of the route.

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On 2/16/2019 at 7:34 PM, JeremiahC99 said:

The MQ SBS routes will be 100% LFSAs when all said and done. 113 buses (77 2017-18s and 36 2019s) will be enough to provide enough service for the current SBS routes.

Quill is getting the 15 XE60s for the M14. 40 2011-13 LFSAs and 15 XE60s would be enough for the M14 and M35 routes.

All XD60s at Quill will be going to other depots in Manhattan and Brooklyn to retire older buses and expand articulation.

You don’t know this yet for sure. Until EN converts the B82, they shouldn’t be going anywhere. 

On 2/16/2019 at 9:20 PM, Lawrence St said:

The M14SBS was never suppose to be temporary-at least not the main part of the route.

It was in the planning, then it did change to only being temporary (in black and white), then it was put on hold I definitely. Note I never said it was cancelled. Then the new plans are now for a full conversion of both routes which wasn’t in the original plans either. So this has changed now several times and yes according to the new I formation this is what we have on the table now. 

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