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1 minute ago, bobtehpanda said:

The M14 barely has any stops you could skip. What would even constitute a M14 local/SBS setup?

IINM, had the local stayed, the SBS would have made only a handful of stops along 14th Street.

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3 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

IINM, had the local stayed, the SBS would have made only a handful of stops along 14th Street.

In my opinion, I wouldn't convert both the M14A&D to SBS, instead I would just have a new SBS M14 operate only along 14th St, similar to the original (L) shutdown plan.

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23 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

In my opinion, I wouldn't convert both the M14A&D to SBS, instead I would just have a new SBS M14 operate only along 14th St, similar to the original (L) shutdown plan.

Why run only on 14th Street when the Lower East Side can benefit from SBS service as well. Couple that with an extension of the M14D up to the M23 SBS terminal at the northern end of Chelsea Piers, along with a workable busway plan (or what boards 4, 5, and 6 concoct for 14th Street) and you got a great plan for 14th Street and areas of the Lower East Side.

Now all we need are brand new Electric artics for the M14, and that new Fare-Payment OMNY card readers built into the machines and its even better. An efficient busway (or something) with the latest cleaner burning buses with the newest fare payment system: Who doesn't want any of that? This should bring the passengers back on the crosstown routes.

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13 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

? This should bring the passengers back on the crosstown routes.

 

It wont bring people who ditched the system altogether because said routes are so slow 

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15 hours ago, Jdog14 said:

 

It wont bring people who ditched the system altogether because said routes are so slow 

The busway would if they don't ditch it.

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IMO I think they dropped the ball when making the B44 the first Bklyn SBS...

it should’ve been either the B41 or B6 easily... don’t get me wrong the B44 is a good choice too but an SBS downtown Brooklyn to Kings Plaza is a no brainer if you ask me... and the B6 is just a beast busiest route hands down in Brooklyn 

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28 minutes ago, JFK Depot said:

IMO I think they dropped the ball when making the B44 the first Bklyn SBS...

it should’ve been either the B41 or B6 easily... don’t get me wrong the B44 is a good choice too but an SBS downtown Brooklyn to Kings Plaza is a no brainer if you ask me... and the B6 is just a beast busiest route hands down in Brooklyn 

A little over 5 years too late on that one. 

The 41SBS is on the table. However, there are some underlying issues that need addressing including construction on Flatbush, and dollar van enforcement. These commuter vans are going to find another way to avoid Flatbush at all costs if they want to survive. 

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7 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

A little over 5 years too late on that one. 

The 41SBS is on the table. However, there are some underlying issues that need addressing including construction on Flatbush, and dollar van enforcement. These commuter vans are going to find another way to avoid Flatbush at all costs if they want to survive. 

The Vans is more of a DOT issue.. and TLC should be out there heavier to enforce things... they should really be looking into 60ft conversion on the 41 before they think about doing the 46 

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3 minutes ago, JFK Depot said:

The Vans is more of a DOT issue.. and TLC should be out there heavier to enforce things... they should really be looking into 60ft conversion on the 41 before they think about doing the 46 

Also they really need to improve the area of the junction (Flatbush (2)(5) station). As I use the area coming home from college classes 4 out of the 5 days I go to college, traffic there can be quite a mess. How about adding a offset-bus lane on Flatbush Avenue from Farragut Road to Avenue H, then curbside lanes from Avenue H to Avenue I. A bus boarder at the south end of the block would be installed to meet the lane.

Going south of the Junction, there should be off-set bus lanes south of Kings Hwy, a stop consolidation of the B41 stops at Kings Hwy and Flatlands Av to speed service for those passengers, and a HOV 3+ lane south of Utica Avenue. Those ideas can work.

North of the junction should feature curbside bus lanes at certain places to Empire Blvd, then some offset Bus lanes from Empire to Atlantic Avenue. North of Atlantic Avenue, is unknown, as I have thought of some long term plans for it (which are related to that Downtown Brooklyn Bus Study the DOT did in 2011), but for the most part, as a link to the Manhattan Bridge, an HOV 3+ lane would be installed to ease traffic flow.

I think this would be great for Flatbush Avenue. In addition, the B41 Local/SBS, and B46 Local/SBS would also FULLY use articulated buses to deal with ridership issues, especially during both weekdays and weekends. Also, the Bergen Beach of the B41 would be renamed as the B91 to further improve service (less confusion on which bus goes where in the long run).

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9 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Also they really need to improve the area of the junction (Flatbush (2)(5) station). As I use the area coming home from college classes 4 out of the 5 days I go to college, traffic there can be quite a mess. How about adding a offset-bus lane on Flatbush Avenue from Farragut Road to Avenue H, then curbside lanes from Avenue H to Avenue I. A bus boarder at the south end of the block would be installed to meet the lane.

Going south of the Junction, there should be off-set bus lanes south of Kings Hwy, a stop consolidation of the B41 stops at Kings Hwy and Flatlands Av to speed service for those passengers, and a HOV 3+ lane south of Utica Avenue. Those ideas can work.

North of the junction should feature curbside bus lanes at certain places to Empire Blvd, then some offset Bus lanes from Empire to Atlantic Avenue. North of Atlantic Avenue, is unknown, as I have thought of some long term plans for it (which are related to that Downtown Brooklyn Bus Study the DOT did in 2011), but for the most part, as a link to the Manhattan Bridge, an HOV 3+ lane would be installed to ease traffic flow.

I think this would be great for Flatbush Avenue. In addition, the B41 Local/SBS, and B46 Local/SBS would also FULLY use articulated buses to deal with ridership issues, especially during both weekdays and weekends. Also, the Bergen Beach of the B41 would be renamed as the B91 to further improve service (less confusion on which bus goes where in the long run).

Makes perfect sense...  and since this idea includes running 60s how about interlining the SBS’s at KP... 1 comes down as a 41 and goes back up as a 46 and vice versa

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18 hours ago, JFK Depot said:

Makes perfect sense...  and since this idea includes running 60s how about interlining the SBS’s at KP... 1 comes down as a 41 and goes back up as a 46 and vice versa

 

So the dollar van nonsense can affect Utica Ave also? Hell no...that would be a big mistake..

 

No interlining should be happening whatsoever with SBS routes. Leave them seperate.

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5 hours ago, Jdog14 said:

 

So the dollar van nonsense can affect Utica Ave also? Hell no...that would be a big mistake..

 

No interlining should be happening whatsoever with SBS routes. Leave them seperate.

Lol your about to be mad when the M14SBS come on then... both A and D will be SBS meaning that it will be interlined... and you could Interline at Kings Plaza it could work... the Vans can’t be stopped much.. as I stated before that’s a DOT issue and the TLC has to get out there in a heavier presence to control that issue... 

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1 hour ago, JFK Depot said:

Lol your about to be mad when the M14SBS come on then... both A and D will be SBS meaning that it will be interlined... and you could Interline at Kings Plaza it could work... the Vans can’t be stopped much.. as I stated before that’s a DOT issue and the TLC has to get out there in a heavier presence to control that issue... 

 

The M14 A/D is largely the same route besides the extreme ends of each route. The B46 and B41 run nowhere near each other til you reach KP and have two completely different markets seperate of each other

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1 minute ago, Jdog14 said:

 

The M14 A/D is largely the same route besides the extreme ends of each route. The B46 and B41 run nowhere near each other til you reach KP and have two completely different markets seperate of each other

 

6 hours ago, Jdog14 said:

 

So the dollar van nonsense can affect Utica Ave also? Hell no...that would be a big mistake..

 

No interlining should be happening whatsoever with SBS routes. Leave them seperate.

 

On 3/1/2019 at 7:26 AM, JFK Depot said:

Makes perfect sense...  and since this idea includes running 60s how about interlining the SBS’s at KP... 1 comes down as a 41 and goes back up as a 46 and vice versa

Before SBS started on the 46, At FB depot both the 41 and the 46 use to interline. Some run was the first half you would do the B41 and your second half you  would do B46. At the moment only the B2 and B31 interline at FB and some AM rush hour runs has B44 doing a short trip on the 41 from Ave P to Empire Blvd. 

On a Busy day where the 41 is extremely behind schedule at KP, dispatchers usually use a sbs46 bus to do a short trip  on the 41 from KP to Empire Blvd especially on a special holiday where kp is jammed.

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1 hour ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

 

 

Before SBS started on the 46, At FB depot both the 41 and the 46 use to interline. Some run was the first half you would do the B41 and your second half you  would do B46. At the moment only the B2 and B31 interline at FB and some AM rush hour runs has B44 doing a short trip on the 41 from Ave P to Empire Blvd. 

On a Busy day where the 41 is extremely behind schedule at KP, dispatchers usually use a sbs46 bus to do a short trip  on the 41 from KP to Empire Blvd especially on a special holiday where kp is jammed.

Thank you for filling him in on this... which is why I mentioned It in the first place... Flatbush Ave is horrible which creates bunching so the 46 can help out... You can come from 1 end and go down the other... it would be really smart when and if the 41 becomes an SBS 

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Posted (edited)

I’m going to steer this discussion onto a different Bus route that is planned to get an SBS conversion:  

I wonder how the (MTA) will convert the Q58 into an SBS Route due to the amount of Curves it has along its route. 

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1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

I’m going to steer this discussion onto a different Bus route that is planned to get an SBS conversion:  

I wonder how the (MTA) will convert the Q58 into an SBS Route due to the amount of Curves it has along its route. 

Lol the 41 is on the table...  the Q58 will probably mirror how the Q44 is with bus lanes in certain places 

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55 minutes ago, JFK Depot said:

Lol the 41 is on the table...  the Q58 will probably mirror how the Q44 is with bus lanes in certain places 

At 16:17 a sbs46 bus was used for the 41 for a short trip from kp to empire blvd. Today a lot of passengers traffic at KP

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16 hours ago, Jdog14 said:

 

So the dollar van nonsense can affect Utica Ave also? Hell no...that would be a big mistake..

 

No interlining should be happening whatsoever with SBS routes. Leave them seperate.

The whole reason the B46 LTD came about was to counter dollar vans. There was a fare discount as well.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27985790/daily_news/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27985768/daily_news/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/27992501/daily_news/

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2 hours ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

At 16:17 a sbs46 bus was used for the 41 for a short trip from kp to empire blvd. Today a lot of passengers traffic at KP

Wow. That’s something very interesting an 76xx bus on the 41. 

The last time I saw a SBS rolling down Flatbush was a rush hour artic working the 41 than deadheading to the 44 on Empire.  Too bad they can’t have a LFSA artic do one trip on the 41 to empire in the morning. 

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1 hour ago, Jdog14 said:

 

Well that hasn't worked cause they are out there in droves...lol

In the interim, it did work.

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1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

Wow. That’s something very interesting an 76xx bus on the 41. 

The last time I saw a SBS rolling down Flatbush was a rush hour artic working the 41 than deadheading to the 44 on Empire.  Too bad they can’t have a LFSA artic do one trip on the 41 to empire in the morning. 

Yes that sbs46 bus doing an 41 empire trip usually happens  with certain dispatcher on post and when the 41 is way behind schedule with no buses coming to KP anytime soon. The dispatcher ask the operator on the sbs46 thats done for the day if they want to do an extra service?.... Of course its OT

If I had the opportunity to roll that LFSA on the 41, I would 🤪

 

Added note: “On school trips out of FB depot the 41, 46, 44, 47, B12 and B7 uses the 76xx buses in the afternoon”. 

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49 minutes ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

Yes that sbs46 bus doing an 41 empire trip usually happens  with certain dispatcher on post and when the 41 is way behind schedule with no buses coming to KP anytime soon. The dispatcher ask the operator on the sbs46 thats done for the day if they want to do an extra service?.... Of course its OT

If I had the opportunity to roll that LFSA on the 41, I would 🤪

 

Added note: “On school trips out of FB depot the 41, 46, 44, 47, B12 and B7 uses the 76xx buses in the afternoon”. 

certain runs on the sbs46 are used as wildcat runs throughout Flatbush. SLD Plummer (avenue p & flatbush post) was one of the first to request extra run help from the 46sbs for B41 kings plaza - empire or church avenue trips (before he retired) 

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1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

certain runs on the sbs46 are used as wildcat runs throughout Flatbush. SLD Plummer (avenue p & flatbush post) was one of the first to request extra run help from the 46sbs for B41 kings plaza - empire or church avenue trips (before he retired) 

Copy. It’s very rare to see a 76xx on the 41 run.

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