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Via Garibaldi 8

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1 minute ago, 7-express said:

So this is what the MTA has to say about tonight's express bus commute.  I guess everyone should just give up and take the 7 or Queens Blvd line home...

Express bus customers: In order to keep you moving, dispatchers may make real-time decisions to send buses on other streets based on traffic conditions. If possible, consider taking the subway to bus stops outside of midtown Manhattan to catch your bus on its regular route.

Some QM express buses were running via Madison.  The Super Expresses ran on 6th and then took 36th as they normally do.

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1 minute ago, 7-express said:

If possible, consider taking the subway to bus stops outside of midtown Manhattan to catch your bus on its regular route.

So are express buses doing pick-ups in the drop off only section now?

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17 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

So are express buses doing pick-ups in the drop off only section now?

Service is back to normal now.  They were running via Madison before then up to 57th or 59th for the QM2 and regular.  Had a QM15 rider confirm this earlier...

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14 hours ago, DetSMART45 said:

That is a possibility, BUT --

Lifts are supposed to be cycled as part of the pre-trip checklist. Operators are supposed to sign-off that "Yes, the lift is operational" along with all the other safety points.

 

This is not apart of the pre-trip inspection (PTI) process at NYCT. There is absolutely no room in the SI Division depots, for examples, to cycle a wheelchair lift for a coach bus. We do not check off on working items. Items that are discovered as defective during a PTI  are brought to the attention of the yard dispatcher and written up for repairs. Defects discovered on the road or post trip are either called in as a road call depending on severity as dictated by procedures or are simply written up for repair upon pull in. We have 8-10 minutes to pull a bus out of the depot.
 

 

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5 minutes ago, 161 New York said:

This is not apart of the pre-trip inspection (PTI) process at NYCT. There is absolutely no room in the SI Division depots, for examples, to cycle a wheelchair lift for a coach bus. We do not check off on working items. Items that are discovered as defective during a PTI  are brought to the attention of the yard dispatcher and written up for repairs. Defects discovered on the road or post trip are either called in as a road call depending on severity as dictated by procedures or are simply written up for repair upon pull in. We have 8-10 minutes to pull a bus out of the depot.
 

 

Forget about the lifts for a second.  Maintenance/cleanliness has been APPALLING, and it is something that we are tired of hearing excuses about. The buses are FILTHY and falling apart. There is NO maintenance to speak of on Staten Island, and for what this service costs, it is unacceptable!! We are not asking bus operators to do more. We are demanding that monies be allocated for cleaning and maintaining the buses to operate safely.  These buses aren't even mopped once a month, let alone cleaned. It's ridiculous. The buses should be mopped out once or twice a week and a thorough cleaning should occur once a month.  Instead we get nothing... No cleaning. Sweeping if we're lucky, and roach bait put on the floor.

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I've seen plenty of rotting seat cushions on the CP express buses and the occasional floppy/busted overhead console.  But at least I haven't noticed too much in the way of litter.  Or roach bait.

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13 minutes ago, 7-express said:

I've seen plenty of rotting seat cushions on the CP express buses and the occasional floppy/busted overhead console.  But at least I haven't noticed too much in the way of litter.  Or roach bait.

Ive never seen roach bait traps on CP buses either.

 

One new thing I've noticed are some long, tan plastic strips missing from the overhead area near the reading lamp console. It seems like no big deal, but then you realize all the air that gets routed into the personal air vents flows through there, so if the plastic strip is missing, all the cold air flows out onto the seat below and significantly reduces airflow to everyone else.

I don't understand how the strips go missing in the first place, since they are not holding anything in place. I wonder if they get removed during maintenance and never get replaced    

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5 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Forget about the lifts for a second.  Maintenance/cleanliness has been APPALLING, and it is something that we are tired of hearing excuses about. The buses are FILTHY and falling apart. There is NO maintenance to speak of on Staten Island, and for what this service costs, it is unacceptable!! We are not asking bus operators to do more. We are demanding that monies be allocated for cleaning and maintaining the buses to operate safely.  These buses aren't even mopped once a month, let alone cleaned. It's ridiculous. The buses should be mopped out once or twice a week and a thorough cleaning should occur once a month.  Instead we get nothing... No cleaning. Sweeping if we're lucky, and roach bait put on the floor.

Now you feel my pain. The issue lies on that we the customers are paying for a service, but getting a bus in abhorrent condition in return. The (MTA) needs to stop the excuses of needing more money, cleaning should be a priority rather than sliding thousands in overtime to some a**hole who probably is smiling all and about with his fat check.. This issue is something that exists in local and express bus fleets in most depots, Many of us are aware that (MTA) hires cleaners and that they have the tools to perform their job. The question to be asked is if these Cleaners are deployed in every depot, and if they have the tools necessary to perform their job, as well as seeing if there is a protocol in place to make sure these buses are clean.

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5 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Forget about the lifts for a second.  Maintenance/cleanliness has been APPALLING, and it is something that we are tired of hearing excuses about. The buses are FILTHY and falling apart. There is NO maintenance to speak of on Staten Island, and for what this service costs, it is unacceptable!! We are not asking bus operators to do more. We are demanding that monies be allocated for cleaning and maintaining the buses to operate safely.  These buses aren't even mopped once a month, let alone cleaned. It's ridiculous. The buses should be mopped out once or twice a week and a thorough cleaning should occur once a month.  Instead we get nothing... No cleaning. Sweeping if we're lucky, and roach bait put on the floor.

What the MTA Inspector General should be doing is pulling up to these depots unannounced and demanding to inspect the premises.

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5 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

What the MTA Inspector General should be doing is pulling up to these depots unannounced and demanding to inspect the premises.

i.e., An audit.

The MTA is & has gotten away with murder for far too long.

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12 hours ago, 161 New York said:

This is not apart of the pre-trip inspection (PTI) process at NYCT. There is absolutely no room in the SI Division depots, for examples, to cycle a wheelchair lift for a coach bus. We do not check off on working items. Items that are discovered as defective during a PTI  are brought to the attention of the yard dispatcher and written up for repairs. Defects discovered on the road or post trip are either called in as a road call depending on severity as dictated by procedures or are simply written up for repair upon pull in. We have 8-10 minutes to pull a bus out of the depot.
 

 

Just.....wow. Ladies and gentlemen, classic illustration of how laws are made, compliance is forced on (mainly) private businesses, and government entities "exempt" themselves. But thanks for giving anyone proceeding with an ADA lawsuit against the MTA a nice advantage.

Totally unbelievable how deficient the largest TA in the country's PTI process is. So instead of finding and documenting any problems discovered at the depot -- where repairs can be made -- it's "cheaper/more efficient" to get out on the route and do some kind of road call, and inconvenience customers, then be told the "Oh well, keep going" or "We'll send the mechanics out" or "Wait for a tow" by supervision.

8-10 minutes to do a pull-out, eh? And just when are you expected to punch-in? Certainly can't be right before you're to go to the bus lanes and begin your miniscule PTI. (And I'm sure you don't just return to the depot, park the bus for the porters and run to the timeclock to punch-out, either.)

Yes, New York -------- This is your MTA.

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2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

i.e., An audit.

The MTA is & has gotten away with murder for far too long.

I’ve been talking to the Comptroller’s Office for a while now. I’m sure they’re informing the (MTA) and I’m going to keep emailing my contact until they’re forced to do another one. They have plenty of info to use too.

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13 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Forget about the lifts for a second.  Maintenance/cleanliness has been APPALLING, and it is something that we are tired of hearing excuses about. The buses are FILTHY and falling apart. There is NO maintenance to speak of on Staten Island, and for what this service costs, it is unacceptable!! We are not asking bus operators to do more. We are demanding that monies be allocated for cleaning and maintaining the buses to operate safely.  These buses aren't even mopped once a month, let alone cleaned. It's ridiculous. The buses should be mopped out once or twice a week and a thorough cleaning should occur once a month.  Instead we get nothing... No cleaning. Sweeping if we're lucky, and roach bait put on the floor.

Those pictures you posted of Express buses are worse than inexcusable. I said it before, and I'll say it again -- if Academy customers complained about those type of conditions, the MTA would be the first in line to tell NYC to pull their contract. The same goes with the Twitter postings on the Random Thoughts topic of Bronx local buses. For all of the lack-of-maintenance I've seen over the years of riding DDOT buses, maybe 20+ years ago  was the only period where something close to your MTA conditions happened -- but it was a rare occurrence. Never, though, did I ever see roach baits, floors that looked like they hadn't seen a broom or mop in weeks, seats with filth ground-in (or not seen a wipe in awhile, back when the real oldies had the solid plastic seats), panels missing or hanging, or, as in the first picture, a plastic trash liner rigged up to catch water drips (and with the way MTA operators/unions are, totally floored that was "allowed" since it was practically over the operator's head!). Sure, the odd signal cord drooping or severed and in need of replacement, a "passable" bus in service with a gunshot wound to a window, the A/C roof intake on the Flyers in need of a good vacuum, or a few discarded transfers/minor dirt on the floor -- small issues.

What a wonderful impression, especially on Express buses used by tourists on their way to the Bronx Zoo, for example. And if Bronx local buses look like those pictures, the Manhattan locals are probably the same. (Which get tourists on them as well.) 

8 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:

Now you feel my pain. The issue lies on that we the customers are paying for a service, but getting a bus in abhorrent condition in return. The (MTA) needs to stop the excuses of needing more money, cleaning should be a priority rather than sliding thousands in overtime to some a**hole who probably is smiling all and about with his fat check.. This issue is something that exists in local and express bus fleets in most depots, Many of us are aware that (MTA) hires cleaners and that they have the tools to perform their job. The question to be asked is if these Cleaners are deployed in every depot, and if they have the tools necessary to perform their job, as well as seeing if there is a protocol in place to make sure these buses are clean.

Someone commented that cleaners/maintainers were already feeling the pinch when I posted about the LIRR overtime issues and how MTA would be "investigating" throughout the organization.

Interesting, though, how Byford went all gung-ho on cleanliness at the subway stations, including all the extra payroll devoted to the new "station managers" and supervisors. Must've shifted the cleaning budget over to the subway side, judging by the pictures of the bus side.

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15 hours ago, 161 New York said:

This is not apart of the pre-trip inspection (PTI) process at NYCT. There is absolutely no room in the SI Division depots, for examples, to cycle a wheelchair lift for a coach bus. We do not check off on working items. Items that are discovered as defective during a PTI  are brought to the attention of the yard dispatcher and written up for repairs. Defects discovered on the road or post trip are either called in as a road call depending on severity as dictated by procedures or are simply written up for repair upon pull in. We have 8-10 minutes to pull a bus out of the depot.
 

Original post added for clarification.

 

2 hours ago, DetSMART45 said:

Just.....wow. Ladies and gentlemen, classic illustration of how laws are made, compliance is forced on (mainly) private businesses, and government entities "exempt" themselves. But thanks for giving anyone proceeding with an ADA lawsuit against the MTA a nice advantage.

Totally unbelievable how deficient the largest TA in the country's PTI process is. So instead of finding and documenting any problems discovered at the depot -- where repairs can be made -- it's "cheaper/more efficient" to get out on the route and do some kind of road call, and inconvenience customers, then be told the "Oh well, keep going" or "We'll send the mechanics out" or "Wait for a tow" by supervision.

8-10 minutes to do a pull-out, eh? And just when are you expected to punch-in? Certainly can't be right before you're to go to the bus lanes and begin your miniscule PTI. (And I'm sure you don't just return to the depot, park the bus for the porters and run to the timeclock to punch-out, either.)

Yes, New York -------- This is your MTA.


Where in my reply did I state this? During PTI, if defects are found they are brought it to the attention of the yard dispatcher (so the bus is not given out) and it is written up for repairs (so they can... ummm... be repaired), defective buses I find are not put into service.

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On 6/9/2019 at 10:54 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

It should down 5th because 5th has a bus lane from 110th on down in operation for the morning rush.  Lexington is a nightmare by comparison.  

 

Maybe it can use 5th SOUTH OF 110th then. 5th Ave is a nightmare in Harlem. 

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On 6/12/2019 at 1:37 AM, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

Maybe it can use 5th SOUTH OF 110th then. 5th Ave is a nightmare in Harlem. 

And how do you propose it getting to 5th at 110th??

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32 minutes ago, BrightlinerNewFlyer said:

This might be what @78 via Stew Leonards proposes:

 

From HRD (southbound):

Get off at 106 St, right on 106, left on 5th

From Triboro (Southbound):

Get on to FDR, Get off at 106, right on 106, left on 5th

No point in taking 106th across to 5th when the bus would have to come back across on 96th to Lex. 

From HRD southbound, you come off right at 5th and 143rd, continue right on 5th and on down to 96th.  Left on 96th, right on Lex and done.  All of the other proposals have been done and experienced by myself for years and I have protested just about all of them but the current one. 2nd is a nightmare and Lex has become progressively worse north of 96th street, so while 5th has its problems it is still better than the alternatives. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

No point in taking 106th across to 5th when the bus would have to come back across on 96th to Lex. 

From HRD southbound, you come off right at 5th and 143rd, continue right on 5th and on down to 96th.  Left on 96th, right on Lex and done.  All of the other proposals have been done and experienced by myself for years and I have protested just about all of them but the current one. 2nd is a nightmare and Lex has become progressively worse north of 96th street, so while 5th has its problems it is still better than the alternatives.  

 

Yes, I guess that's true, however, they could move the 96/Lex stop to 96/5th

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3 minutes ago, BrightlinerNewFlyer said:

Yes, I guess that's true, however, they could move the 96/Lex stop to 96/5th

No, the plan is to have a 96th and 5th (only to replace the BxM2 Mount Sinai stop) and keep the 96th and Lex stop. 96th and Lex is a big transfer stop for the (6) train and the (MTA) knows this, as is 86th and Lex.  

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Latest developments:

-Continue to monitor service Citywide.  Contacted Senator Biaggi's office regarding the BxM1, BxM2, BxM8 and BxM9. Extremely poor service of late.

-Continue to monitor QM1 service which has improved, but the 7pm trip was missing Monday and Tuesday. All other trips have generally been provided, and Wednesday the 7pm trip was provided.

-We will be attending the Open House in Pelham Bay next Wednesday to gather information regarding the Bronx Express Bus Redesign

-We are looking to partner with the Riders Alliance to continue our push for an new audit on express bus service, as well as other improvements such as a return of the monthly express bus pass, new express buses, and a return of the senior discount. We will discuss these matters via conference hopefully next week, with a specific date to be determined since I have been sick this week.

 

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