Union Tpke Posted November 18, 2018 Share #1 Posted November 18, 2018 http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7120419&PLTYPE=6 This project is for property acquisition for a potential new bus depot due to planned work in the vicinity of Mets-Willets Point station. The proposed work is for a portion of the existing "Tully'' property be converted to an interim bus parking lot. Some schedule dates are not available, due to project being under development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 18, 2018 Share #2 Posted November 18, 2018 How about the site of the original Flushing? Airport? From what I hear that area is basically a marsh now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted November 18, 2018 Share #3 Posted November 18, 2018 Well they do have the land to build another depot so it does make sense to rebuild CS. Question is will they take forever building it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 18, 2018 Share #4 Posted November 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: How about the site of the original Flushing? Airport? From what I hear that area is basically a marsh now. Building a depot on a marsh doesn’t seem like a good idea. At a minimum they should conduct a EIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 18, 2018 Share #5 Posted November 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Building a depot on a marsh doesn’t seem like a good idea. At a minimum they should conduct a EIS. Bloomberg wanted to develop that site into a food distribution center for the Asian markets. The local elected officials cried NIMBY based on increased truck traffic on the Whitestone service road at Linden Place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 18, 2018 Share #6 Posted November 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: Bloomberg wanted to develop that site into a food distribution center for the Asian markets. The local elected officials cried NIMBY based on increased truck traffic on the Whitestone service road at Linden Place. Well I can see that. Linden Place can be pretty bad traffic wise at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #7 Posted November 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Building a depot on a marsh doesn’t seem like a good idea. At a minimum they should conduct a EIS. GunHill was built on Marsh and a dump. Just drill some pylons down shouldn't be to crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #8 Posted November 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: GunHill was built on Marsh and a dump. Just drill some pylons down shouldn't be to crazy It wouldn't be the first time. Doesn't change the situation though and the doesn't have a good track record in this area. Construction isn't their strong point to say the least. Lots of places have been built on swamp land, including Co-op City hence the sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #9 Posted November 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: It wouldn't be the first time. Doesn't change the situation though and the doesn't have a good track record in this area. Construction isn't their strong point to say the least. Yukon,Charleston, Zerega, Gunhill even Stengel.. All somewhat new depots on Marshy land.. A bus depot is fairly simple from a support standpoint easy to fill in, compact and add pylons to solid rock for support. Gas Reservoirs and piping are bit complex but straightforward. Not to many ways to mess that up.. physically. Funding and spending a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #10 Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, RailRunRob said: Yukon,Charleston, Zerega, Gunhill even Stengel.. All somewhat new depots on Marshy land.. A bus depot is fairly simple from a support standpoint easy to fill in, compact and add pylons to solid rock for support. Not to many ways to mess that up.. physically. Funding and spending a different story. That's not the point. Lots of things are built on marsh land. The issue here is whether or not precautions will be taken in advance to mitigate issues arising from building on marsh land. The agency has a history of not using commonsense when taking on such projects, which in essence means money thrown down the drain (taxpayer dollars at that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #11 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: That's not the point. Lots of things are built on marsh land. The issue here is whether or not precautions will be taken in advance to mitigate issues arising from building on marsh land. The agency has a history of not using commonsense when taking on such projects, which in essence means money thrown down the drain (taxpayer dollars at that). Any issues with any of the depots named? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #12 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, RailRunRob said: Any issues with any of the depots named? They already have flooding issues at other depots, Yonkers being one of them. I find it hilarious that they've fought the city of Yonkers tooth and nail to hold on to land that constantly floods. Sell it and get it out of their hair and build a depot elsewhere. As for the others I wouldn't know, but they should take all necessary precautions to not have another depot with such headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #13 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: They already have flooding issues at other depots, Yonkers being one of them. That's an inherited depot can you count that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #14 Posted November 19, 2018 Kinda why I didn't include Eastchester on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #15 Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, RailRunRob said: That's an inherited depot can you count that? I'm counting it because they could've sold it and are still holding on to it. Yonkers wants the land, land that floods regularly. Find a way to make a deal and get rid of it. Anyway their track record isn't that great, and even they admit that construction is not their strong point, so while yes it shouldn't be an issue for most, it may be for the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #16 Posted November 19, 2018 Also with flooding that's a major change outside of the MTA control and foresight. Entire areas 30 years ago that weren't as prone to flooding now are anything post-Sandy build and flood mitigation has been updated code wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #17 Posted November 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: Also with flooding that's a major change outside of the MTA control and foresight. Entire areas 30 years ago that weren't as prone to flooding now are anything post-Sandy build and flood mitigation has been updated code wise. The real question is will the hire the right people to do the job, not the fact that they're building on marsh land. What may seem obvious isn't always obvious to the . South Ferry terminal is a perfect example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 19, 2018 Share #18 Posted November 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Building a depot on a marsh doesn’t seem like a good idea. At a minimum they should conduct a EIS. This is kind of a different thing from the competency of the MTA altogether, but the Flushing Airport site is a known danger area for West Nile Virus due to all the mosquitos being there. At this point I would be inclined to do something to the site, to remove the health hazard. It is worth noting that most of New York used to be marshland, but most people don' t get flooded on a regular basis outside of Sandy-type events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #19 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, bobtehpanda said: This is kind of a different thing from the competency of the MTA altogether, but the Flushing Airport site is a known danger area for West Nile Virus due to all the mosquitos being there. At this point I would be inclined to do something to the site, to remove the health hazard. It is worth noting that most of New York used to be marshland, but most people don' t get flooded on a regular basis outside of Sandy-type events. Well I think this is just an example of mitigation efforts that need to be employed and whether or not the agency will take the measures needed to address such issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #20 Posted November 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: The real question is will the hire the right people to do the job, not the fact that they're building on marsh land. What may seem obvious isn't always obvious to the . South Ferry terminal is a perfect example of that. I'd hope they'd know who to vent the proper contractor/builder. But I also have to acknowledge the major difference between building a bus depot. Add building a major underground station just mere feet from the Bay using geotechnical principles. Night and Day difficulty wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #21 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, RailRunRob said: I'd hope they'd know who to vent the proper contractor/builder. But I also have to acknowledge the major difference between building a bus depot. Add building a major underground station just mere feet from the Bay using geotechnical principles. Night and Day difficulty wise. Their motto is to pick the lowest bidder... That says enough in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 19, 2018 Share #22 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Their motto is to pick the lowest bidder... That says enough in my book. It's not the motto. It's NYS law. And Albany and their friends wouldn't have it any other way. Quote The MTA is fine with hiring contractors with histories of corruption — because the transit agency wants to help them mend their ways, a top official claimed Monday. “New York City Transit and the MTA as a whole for many, many, many years — for the 30 years that I’ve been here and for many before that — have looked at this as a rehabilitative organization,” senior Vice President Stephen Plochochi said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #23 Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Their motto is to pick the lowest bidder... That says enough in my book. That means the City and state inspectors are dropping the ball as well there are definitely code and standards to build by. The lowest bidder seems pretty American capitalistic to me no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted November 19, 2018 Share #24 Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, bobtehpanda said: It's not the motto. It's NYS law. And Albany and their friends wouldn't have it any other way. There we have it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 19, 2018 Share #25 Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: It's not the motto. It's NYS law. And Albany and their friends wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not sure what you're trying to say... In other words, you're trying to excuse the fact that this practice occurs by saying that it's state law? That doesn't make it any better. In fact it's even worse, and it's a prime example of taxpayer dollars wasted. 2 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: That means the City and state inspectors are dropping the ball as well there are definitely code and standards to build by. The lowest bidder seems pretty American capitalistic to me no? Using the lowest bidder isn't always the wise thing to do. Having the lowest bidder is certainly American from a competition standpoint but that's about it. Not exactly the same thing being discussed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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