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I was almost done with the B Division but accidentally closed the tab. I am not spending the time to do that.

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38 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

I was almost done with the B Division but accidentally closed the tab. I am not spending the time to do that.

Content editor should save it- do you mean you deleted the whole thing?

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:35 PM, Union Tpke said:

Stations that are under construction/in planning

2. Rector Street (Southbound) (R)(W) 

 

Rector Street is already fully accessible.

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22 hours ago, P3F said:

Rector Street is already fully accessible.

That is not true.

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On 8/2/2019 at 8:34 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

Content editor should save it- do you mean you deleted the whole thing?

Content editor did not save it.

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3 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

Content editor did not save it.

Odd- by the way, is 86th getting ADA access on both levels in both directions?

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3 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

That is not true.

Never mind, I was thinking of Cortlandt Street.

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I found these two images showing what installing elevators would entail at 103rd Street-Corona Plaza and Avenue U.

48514430786_a506b9da8b.jpgElevators at Avenue U by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

48514612847_e5e997be19.jpgWhat elevators at 103rd Street would entail by Union Turnpike, on Flickr

I really want this study to be made public.

https://www.ellana.net/mta-ada-system-wide-accessibility-study-stantec

https://www.ellana.net/mta-ada-system-wide-accessibility-study-urbahn

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13 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

Are there cases where ramps would be cheaper? ie. One elevator to the elevated mezz, then ramps to each platform?

I’d imagine you could do that in the Rockaways given the large platforms and little passengers, but in other areas the ramp would take up too much platform space.

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3 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

I’d imagine you could do that in the Rockaways given the large platforms and little passengers, but in other areas the ramp would take up too much platform space.

The Ramp could be flanked onto the side of the platform no?

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42 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

The Ramp could be flanked onto the side of the platform no?

That depends. ADA-compliant ramps require plenty of space, which is one of the reasons why so many accessible stations (around the world) use elevators. The accessible ones with ramps are often low-use, close to the ground, or in complexes. (Park Place falls into the first, Rockaway Parkway falls into the second, and Grand Central falls into the third. The last one is especially significant, as the 42nd Street (S) is currently inaccessible strictly because of those curves at Times Square.)

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:35 PM, Union Tpke said:

 

  1. Norwood Avenue (J)(Z) — East New York Group 1

Crescent St might be a better choice to become ADA-accessible. It connects with the B13 bus which goes to Euclid Av and Myrtle-Wyckoff: both of which are already ADA-accessible. Crescent St also had more than 51% additional ridership than Norwood Av in 2018. The elevators at Crescent would help when the (J) is cut back from Jamaica to Crescent since the shuttle buses do not go to Norwood. Stations from Broadway Junction to Woodhaven Blvd (J) would still be 2 or less stations away from an ADA-accessible station if plans were to change. However, customers from Cleveland St and Norwood Av would have to travel farther to reach an ADA-accessible station if plans ever changed (Cypress Hills (J) would be closer to an ADA-accessible station).

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Since the MTA has provided a new list of potential stations to be made accessible in the coming years, here's an update to the Planned Accessibility map I've been working on.

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8 hours ago, Lance said:

Since the MTA has provided a new list of potential stations to be made accessible in the coming years, here's an update to the Planned Accessibility map I've been working on.

Thanks for the update!

8 Avenue on the (N) is becoming accessible in both directions.

You didn't include the Manhattan-bound (E) and (M) platform at Court Square.

You also missed 7 Avenue on the (F)(G).

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I was moving 5 boxes of pumpkins by subway from Trader Joe’s at Union Square ((4)(5)(6)(L)(N)(Q)) to Canal Street ((6)(J)(N)(Q)). The lack of elevators and the frequency of out-of-service elevators made the return trip very difficult.

  1. Took the (6) to 14 Street–Union Square and haul the hand truck up the stairs because that platform has no elevator. Got the hand truck up to street level via the escalator.
  2. Picked up my pumpkins at Trader Joe’s and headed back to the station.
  3. Took the elevator down to the mezzanine and then another elevator down to the uptown (N)(Q) platform.
  4. Took the (Q) to 34 Street–Herald Square and then went up the elevator to the mezzanine level.
  5. Went down the escalator to the downtown (D)(F)(R) platform and took the (F) to Broadway–Lafayette Street.
  6. At Broadway–Lafayette Street, I had planned on taking the elevator directly up to the downtown (6) platform. As luck would have it, that elevator was out of service. So I had to take the elevator to the uptown (6) platform instead. From the uptown (6) platform, I then took the elevator back down to the uptown (D)(F)(R) platform. And from there, I took the elevator up to the downtown (6) platform.
  7. Took the (6) to Canal Street and then took the elevator to the street level. There was a long line of people waiting to use it.
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Posted (edited)
On 9/28/2019 at 11:28 AM, Lance said:

Since the MTA has provided a new list of potential stations to be made accessible in the coming years, here's an update to the Planned Accessibility map I've been working on.

I really dislike the Vignelli-style maps. The extra dots for each route adds too much visual clutter. The current MTA map isn’t the best at presenting the information either, but I can quickly scan for the wheelchair symbol next to the station names to see whether they’re accessible.

This one from 2015 is much easier to scan as the non-accessible stations have been completely stripped off the map: https://subwayrecord.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/the-mtas-accessibility-gap/

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Unfortunately, the map is much harder to edit, from my experience. Perhaps the map being used on The Subway Weekender might be easier to make alterations to seeing as it comes out weekly.

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