Abba Posted October 17, 2008 Share #1 Posted October 17, 2008 Trains run to Flatbush Av during midday hours Weekday, Oct 27 – Nov 21, 9:30 AM to 3:30 PM Mon to Fri Apparently 5 trains will run to Flabush, middays for a month. I don't know if it's an experiment or because of consruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted October 17, 2008 Share #2 Posted October 17, 2008 Trains run to Flatbush Av during midday hours Weekday, Oct 27 – Nov 21, 9:30 AM to 3:30 PM Mon to Fri Apparently 5 trains will run to Flabush, middays for a month. I don't know if it's an experiment or because of constrution. It's an experiment. I've been hearing T/Os, C/Rs, and TSSs talking about it, and said it was suppose to start soon....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 17, 2008 Share #3 Posted October 17, 2008 I hope the test pass and the to flatbush is perment, The needs help in brooklyn during the midday hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 17, 2008 Share #4 Posted October 17, 2008 wooooooooo, well seems like 80s are cmming back but this can be a VERY bad Idea, reason is cuz, it would cause a delay over at Franklin Juction and I wonder why is this happing? Cuz of the the SF station gonna be demolished or sumin =S http://mta.info/nyct/service/pdf_f/43_5tr3.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 17, 2008 Share #5 Posted October 17, 2008 wooooooooo, well seems like 80s are cmming back but this can be a VERY bad Idea, reason is cuz, it would cause a delay over at Franklin Juction and I wonder why is this happing? Cuz of the the SF station gonna be demolished or sumin =S http://mta.info/nyct/service/pdf_f/43_5tr3.pdf Im assuming you mean Rogers junction (south of Franklin Ave), and yes that could be a problem although less so than during rush hour. Wonder if they are going to terminate midday some 5's at Utica like Rush, and maybe even one at New Lots like rush to relieve some of the congestion if it's bad...not sure since midday headways are (slightly) longer than Rush, maybe they might not need to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted October 17, 2008 Share #6 Posted October 17, 2008 It's an experiment. I've been hearing T/Os, C/Rs, and TSSs talking about it, and said it was suppose to start soon....... Yes the will one day run to Flatbush during midday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 18, 2008 Share #7 Posted October 18, 2008 Im assuming you mean Rogers junction (south of Franklin Ave), and yes that could be a problem although less so than during rush hour. Wonder if they are going to terminate midday some 5's at Utica like Rush, and maybe even one at New Lots like rush to relieve some of the congestion if it's bad...not sure since midday headways are (slightly) longer than Rush, maybe they might not need to ... sry not fimilar of all junctions mostly manhattan and th bronx when I look at this track map it seems to be await: What the TA could do is: For South bound service: if a Train needs access to nostrands line, then dont have ANY local trains over at farnklin, allow a hold up at Brooklyn museum.. To speed up the , if the is at Atlantic or is a few min away from franklen, and there is a local at franklen, have it leave, before the cums in For Dyre ave service, have the Hit President street, and go first before a lcl or exp hits.. or if the and/Or merges, have the Slow down between Sterling and prez.. Just to help it get through This sounds more like E180th Street when a Local Train waits on lcl platform, lets say and the goes first over to dyre, while the waits, which delys.. what the E180th street workers do, is have the enter Lcl platform, while the is waiting at West Farms, or is on another stop before it, then it have it does on M track at 180th, so the and go ahead, Neriod train same thing.. I can see why the T/A wanted the Express back then and the run lcl to 238th WP/Dyre Has the T/A ever thought of converting that holding m track south of atlantic, to merge with the Express track? That way the can go to nevins.. This would sound more like a mess lol: via Nostrand Express to Utica Local To new lots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 18, 2008 Share #8 Posted October 18, 2008 sry not fimilar of all junctions mostly manhattan and th bronx when I look at this track map it seems to be await: Yup thats Rogers Jct Has the T/A ever thought of converting that holding m track south of atlantic, to merge with the Express track? That way the can go to nevins.. Not sure what you mean by converting, but if you mean short turning trains at Nevins, the only problem with that is you have to fumigate at Nevins S/B to make sure no passengers in the relay which would be more difficult when people are used to (5)'s in Brooklyn keep going past Atlantic...fumigating would slow things back down again. What would be cool is if there was some way to rebuild Rogers Jct so that you didn't have as many trains crossing in front of each other, but I can't think of a reasonable way to do that without switching the and the , and then the loses access to Livonia Yd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 18, 2008 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2008 Yup thats Rogers Jct Not sure what you mean by converting, but if you mean short turning trains at Nevins, the only problem with that is you have to fumigate at Nevins S/B to make sure no passengers in the relay which would be more difficult when people are used to (5)'s in Brooklyn keep going past Atlantic...fumigating would slow things back down again. What would be cool is if there was some way to rebuild Rogers Jct so that you didn't have as many trains crossing in front of each other, but I can't think of a reasonable way to do that without switching the and the , and then the loses access to Livonia Yd. i meant extended that middle track and connect to express track my mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted October 18, 2008 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2008 Trains run to Flatbush Av during midday hours Weekday, Oct 27 – Nov 21, 9:30 AM to 3:30 PM Mon to Fri Apparently 5 trains will run to Flabush, middays for a month. I don't know if it's an experiment or because of consruction. guess they dun want 2 turn trains thru da sf loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 19, 2008 Share #11 Posted October 19, 2008 The supplement schedule refers to it as a test. There is no mention of South Ferry on it. Some of us believe it has something to do with the A.T.S. system's failures. Maybe they're trying to make it work to justify spending millions of dollars on this lemon of computerized train operation. So far it can't even make lemonade, much less properly route trains or speed up things. When they turn it off things run smoothly on the Lex lines and in Brooklyn. When it's on things slow down to a crawl on Lexington Ave and in Brooklyn from Bowling Green to south of Franklin Ave and on to Utica or Flatbush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share #12 Posted October 19, 2008 Do you have a link to the schudule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted October 19, 2008 Share #13 Posted October 19, 2008 Do you have a link to the schudule? u cud find it on subchat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 19, 2008 Share #14 Posted October 19, 2008 u cud find it on subchat no need, and plz speak english @Trainmaster, will this be going permanent in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted October 19, 2008 Share #15 Posted October 19, 2008 Guys, this is a little off-topic but is there a way of rebuilding Rogers Junction so that all of the lines can operate freely without holding up other lines? I remember someone on another forum telling me that it could be done, except the Livonia Line could be cut off from the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 19, 2008 Share #16 Posted October 19, 2008 no need, and plz speak english @Trainmaster, will this be going permanent in future? We will find out soon. The new work programs will be posted soon because the IRT job pick starts on November 10th and the book is probably printed already. They try to keep it under wraps so the crews don't get upset and point out the errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 19, 2008 Share #17 Posted October 19, 2008 Guys, this is a little off-topic but is there a way of rebuilding Rogers Junction so that all of the lines can operate freely without holding up other lines? I remember someone on another forum telling me that it could be done, except the Livonia Line could be cut off from the system. Hows this: Looks more like ( at 59th But it all depends on the earth mad it with MSFT Paint, sucks a bit, oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 20, 2008 Share #18 Posted October 20, 2008 Hows this: Looks more like ( at 59th But it all depends on the earth mad it with MSFT Paint, sucks a bit, oh well You would have to shut down the entire line from Atlantic Avenue to Utica and Flatbush to do what you propose. The entire thoroughfare on Eastern Parkway above the construction site would have to be closed for years. That, and the cost, means it will never happen except in someone's model RR. How many years has it been since this generations SAS has been in the works and they've only worked on two blocks, 94th-96th St. Even if they had the money and time to do it I would guess it would be about 2025 before the SAS is finished and they might think about it after that. Your proposal is what the IRT should have built when the Eastern Parkway line was laid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted October 24, 2008 Share #19 Posted October 24, 2008 Alright, after posting on the line, and asking the line crews, all trains will be going to Flatbush starting next week, on this experiment. Reason given was to ease the traffic tie-ups on the line, waiting for the to go around "Toilet" Bowling Green, creating delays on the 4 line N/B and S/B. The line crews are saying cha-ching for now, and "are going to get more money on the during this experiment"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share #20 Posted October 26, 2008 I heard a rumor that trains will run every 8 minutes verses every 5 minutes,and trains will run every 8 minutes vs. every 10 minutes. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share #21 Posted November 23, 2008 Anyone heard if the trial run was succesful,and if not are they continuing and(5) headways every 8 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted November 23, 2008 Share #22 Posted November 23, 2008 Considering the situation with the economy it's unlikely that this will be a permanent service pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 23, 2008 Share #23 Posted November 23, 2008 Isnt the PA OF NY/NJ gonna close the south ferry secition due to the WTC, wouldnt that cause the to head to Flatbush or cut services to Brooklyn Bridge while the makes the move to New lots and no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted November 23, 2008 Share #24 Posted November 23, 2008 Ok, the test is over. So far we've overspent the budgeted test $$$ in the first two weeks. Test results ??? Who knows ??? Purpose of test, unknown to the RTO hourlies who did the grunt work. Why didn't they run the test during the Thanksgiving to Christmas period when you probably have more midday riders traveling between Flatbush and the midtown and downtown shopping areas? Most of the trains were almost empty when they got to Flatbush.On one hand the cries broke while the other hand spends $$$ for no apparent reason. We're contemplating adding service while cutting back on existing service. What a crock of ....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted November 23, 2008 Share #25 Posted November 23, 2008 Ok, the test is over. So far we've overspent the budgeted test $$$ in the first two weeks. Test results ??? Who knows ??? Purpose of test, unknown to the RTO hourlies who did the grunt work. Why didn't they run the test during the Thanksgiving to Christmas period when you probably have more midday riders traveling between Flatbush and the midtown and downtown shopping areas? Most of the trains were almost empty when they got to Flatbush.On one hand the cries broke while the other hand spends $$$ for no apparent reason. We're contemplating adding service while cutting back on existing service. What a crock of ....! Its empty Manhattan bound also.....after being behind a all the way to 125th Street....it would be nice to send the during mid-days b/c waiting for the is a headache sometimes. isn't broke.....they CEO's got all the money and are selfish to use their money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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