Around the Horn Posted June 15, 2020 Share #651 Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, CenSin said: After tackling the CBD, I’d rather they go for the high-usage outer borough stations to make OMNY useful. Those traveling between the CBD and outer boroughs are a large part of the market. The MTA could start with the inter-modal hub stations (with a lot of terminating/intersecting bus routes) like: Marcy Avenue Jamaica * Canarsie–Rockaway Parkway Broadway Junction Myrtle–Wyckoff Streets Queens* Plaza Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue Kings Highway () Flatbush Avenue–Brooklyn College 86 Street () Prospect Park Crown Heights–Utica Avenue Van Cortlandt Park–242 Street Bedford Park Boulevard * Norwood–205 Street Fordham Road Pelham Parkway West Farms Square–East Tremont Av Westchester Square–East Tremont Av Pelham Bay Park Parkchester Simpson Street Eastchester–Dyre Avenue Nereid Avenue Gun Hill Road Hunts Point Avenue 161 Street–Yankee Stadium 3 Avenue–138 Street 3 Avenue–149 Street 149 Street–Grand Concourse and all of the Downtown Brooklyn stations Most of the stations on this list already have OMNY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted June 16, 2020 Share #652 Posted June 16, 2020 My prediction for the last station to get OMNY will be one of the Rockaway Park branch stations (either 90th, 98th or 105th) given that they see very little usage and are isolated from the rest of the system; however I would still see 116th get it before the other three as it does serve as a point of transfer and it does have some ridership draw to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 16, 2020 Share #653 Posted June 16, 2020 10 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said: I feel like the and lines will be last in general to have OMNY at all its stations. I can see Metropolitan Ave to Myrtle Ave-Broadway on the getting it before all stations between Alabama Ave and 121street on the . This whole area looks like it will be last. There's no sign of it anywhere; like it's not even being thought of. Trying to remember if we were among the last to get Metrocard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 16, 2020 Share #654 Posted June 16, 2020 Well, we’re always the SH end of the stick. Name any other part of the system that requires two transfers to get to/from midtown overnight other than the Myrtle Ave line 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 16, 2020 Share #655 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: My prediction for the last station to get OMNY will be one of the Rockaway Park branch stations (either 90th, 98th or 105th) given that they see very little usage and are isolated from the rest of the system; however I would still see 116th get it before the other three as it does serve as a point of transfer and it does have some ridership draw to it. This is my prediction as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #656 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Well, we’re always the SH end of the stick. Name any other part of the system that requires two transfers to get to/from midtown overnight other than the Myrtle Ave line I bet people would have been fighting right now to get the back on 6th Ave during the weekends, but as we all know Coronavirus happened and halted everything. It is sad that the extension was only temporary because the saw good usage and gave Broadway (Brooklyn) and Myrtle Ave direct weekend service to Midtown which is more useful than the that goes downtown. 4 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: My prediction for the last station to get OMNY will be one of the Rockaway Park branch stations (either 90th, 98th or 105th) given that they see very little usage and are isolated from the rest of the system; however I would still see 116th get it before the other three as it does serve as a point of transfer and it does have some ridership draw to it. I honestly forgot about those stations. You actually might be right with that. Being that those stations do have low ridership, it makes me wonder if the MTA ever proposed to close those stations especially when it’s not beach season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted June 16, 2020 Share #657 Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Name any other part of the system that requires two transfers to get to/from midtown overnight other than the Myrtle Ave line The Dyre Avenue line when there's a GO on WPR. In extreme cases, it takes three transfers ( Dyre-180, 180-3 Av, bus 3 Av-96 St and the from there or 3 Av-Grand Concourse and the from there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 16, 2020 Share #658 Posted June 16, 2020 4 hours ago, paulrivera said: The Dyre Avenue line when there's a GO on WPR. In extreme cases, it takes three transfers ( Dyre-180, 180-3 Av, bus 3 Av-96 St and the from there or 3 Av-Grand Concourse and the from there. Yeah, during a GO, anywhere can be up that creek... I’m talking regular schedule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #659 Posted June 16, 2020 5 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said: I bet people would have been fighting right now to get the back on 6th Ave during the weekends, but as we all know Coronavirus happened and halted everything. It is sad that the extension was only temporary because the saw good usage and gave Broadway (Brooklyn) and Myrtle Ave direct weekend service to Midtown which is more useful than the that goes downtown. What if the D ran local up 6th Avenue on weekends so that the M could relay at West 4th ? That would be an easier transfer to get to midtown, with little impact on the operating budget, perhaps one more train set. 96th Street is a long ways up, and they would also have to dispense with OPTO. That's all expensive. 5 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 16, 2020 Share #660 Posted June 16, 2020 Weekends aren’t the problem, it’s the overnight when it’s still the Myrtle Shuttle. I would be happy if they made all service that didn’t run to Continental go at least as far as Essex St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share #661 Posted June 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Weekends aren’t the problem, it’s the overnight when it’s still the Myrtle Shuttle. I would be happy if they made all service that didn’t run to Continental go at least as far as Essex St. Or Chambers St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #662 Posted June 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Amtrak41 said: What if the D ran local up 6th Avenue on weekends so that the M could relay at West 4th ? That would be an easier transfer to get to midtown, with little impact on the operating budget, perhaps one more train set. 96th Street is a long ways up, and they would also have to dispense with OPTO. That's all expensive. I think the should run entirely local in Manhattan on weekends. The stations on CPW especially see good usage on the weekends but is stuck with only 10-12 minute service, while you have 2 express trains passing all stations in between 59th and 125th street. Whenever there is a G.O all trains may run local but that’s not all the time. It’s either have the run local or run more service. I’m sure people might opt for more service to keep Bronx trains running fast. To answer you second point, it’s only expensive to the MTA because they don’t have money like that. I don’t think anyone can deny how useful a 3rd service on 6th Ave is on top of giving north Brooklyn direct midtown service. Yeah there is the to whatever trains it connects to and yes you can always take the to the but it lacks the convenience that is there during the weekdays. Of course people have dealt with no service even to Manhattan for years on the weekend when it only ran to Myrtle Ave-Broadway, but I think the goal should be how can we best serve our passengers instead of how we can save every last penny. Don’t get me wrong saving is good but I think a extension will prove to be more beneficial and could help the MTA draw in more money. Plus the could easily have 12 minute headways and call it a day because it definitely wouldn’t be as frequent as it was when the was out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 16, 2020 Share #663 Posted June 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Amtrak41 said: What if the D ran local up 6th Avenue on weekends so that the M could relay at West 4th ? Why on earth would you do that? We're actively trying to get rid of merges not add new ones... The only trains that should ever turn at West 4th are the Grand Street Shuttle during Manhattan Bridge G.O.s and the if they were to do another Essex-Broad G.O. (to facilitate direct transfers to the to Lower Manhattan) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share #664 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, NewFlyer 230 said: I think the should run entirely local in Manhattan on weekends. The stations on CPW especially see good usage on the weekends but is stuck with only 10-12 minute service, while you have 2 express trains passing all stations in between 59th and 125th street. Whenever there is a G.O all trains may run local but that’s not all the time. It’s either have the run local or run more service. I’m sure people might opt for more service to keep Bronx trains running fast. To answer you second point, it’s only expensive to the MTA because they don’t have money like that. I don’t think anyone can deny how useful a 3rd service on 6th Ave is on top of giving north Brooklyn direct midtown service. Yeah there is the to whatever trains it connects to and yes you can always take the to the but it lacks the convenience that is there during the weekdays. Of course people have dealt with no service even to Manhattan for years on the weekend when it only ran to Myrtle Ave-Broadway, but I think the goal should be how can we best serve our passengers instead of how we can save every last penny. Don’t get me wrong saving is good but I think a extension will prove to be more beneficial and could help the MTA draw in more money. Plus the could easily have 12 minute headways and call it a day because it definitely wouldn’t be as frequent as it was when the was out. Or just run the , the is already as long as it is, we don't need to add MORE stations to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #665 Posted June 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Why on earth would you do that? We're actively trying to get rid of merges not add new ones... The only trains that should ever turn at West 4th are the Grand Street Shuttle during Manhattan Bridge G.O.s and the if they were to do another Essex-Broad G.O. (to facilitate direct transfers to the to Lower Manhattan) Because we run for the convenience of passengers not dispatchers. We are running trains not monorails. If they cannot merge two 10-minute services together without delay, they need to go. W4th would be an easier transfer for people than Essex to get to the F train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 17, 2020 Share #666 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Amtrak41 said: Because we run for the convenience of passengers not dispatchers. We are running trains not monorails. If they cannot merge two 10-minute services together without delay, they need to go. W4th would be an easier transfer for people than Essex to get to the F train. That's probably worse than even 59th Street or Rogers, and those two suffer from inherently poor design that drastically cuts their efficiency. I just realized that the thread is getting sidetracked. Maybe we should continue this elsewhere. Edited June 17, 2020 by Lex 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 17, 2020 Share #667 Posted June 17, 2020 Okay, back the the topic at hand... ADD 49th Street 23rd Street 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 18, 2020 Share #668 Posted June 18, 2020 Add: Lexington Ave/63rd st 5th Ave/59th st 28th Street 8th-NYU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 18, 2020 Share #669 Posted June 18, 2020 Here's my list (which I think is up to date) Active sections with OMNY: South Ferry to 96 Street 103 Street to 242 St-Van Cortlandt Park Central Park North-110 St to Harlem-148 St Franklin Avenue, Atlantic Ave-Barclays Center to 125 Street 138 Street-Grand Concourse to Woodlawn 3 Av-149 St to Wakefield-241 Street 3 Av-138 St to Pelham Bay Park 34 Street-Hudson Yards to Flushing-Main St Jay Street-MetroTech to 59 Street-Columbus Circle West 4 Street to 47-50 Streets Rockefeller Center 7 Avenue 59 Street-Columbus Circle to 145 Street 155 Street to Inwood-207 Street Hoyt-Schermerhorn to Euclid Av Howard Beach-JFK Sutphin Blvd-Archer Avenue-JFK York Street, Lexington Av-63 St Cortlandt Street, 8 Street-NYU to 49 Street, 5 Av-59 St Queensboro Plaza to 30 Av, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd 72 Street to 96 Street 86 Street Franklin Avenue to Prospect Park St George Ferry, Tompkinsville SIR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 18, 2020 Share #670 Posted June 18, 2020 I find mine a little clearer (number of non-OMNY stations remaining) All Stations 241st Street to Atlantic Ave, Franklin Ave (10 Stations) 148th Street to Atlantic Ave, Franklin Ave (13 Stations) Woodlawn to Franklin Ave (1 Station) Dyre Ave to Franklin Ave (7 Stations) All Stations All Stations 42nd St All Stations (line not in service) 207th Street to Euclid Ave, Howard Beach-JFK (20 Stations) All Stations Sutphin Blvd-JFK, Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Avenue, Court Square to Lexington Ave/53rd Street, 7th ave to World Trade Center (7 Stations) 161st Street-Yankee Stadium, 145th Street to Broadway-Lafayette Street, Atlantic Ave, Prospect Park (17 Stations) 161st Street-Yankee Stadium, 145th Street to Broadway-Lafayette Street, Atlantic Ave (25 stations) Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Avenue, Lexington Ave-63rd St, 47-50th streets to Broadway-Lafayette Street, York St to Jay Street-Metro Tech (34 Stations) Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Avenue, Court Square to Lexington Ave/53rd Street, 47-50th streets to Broadway-Lafayette Street (26 Stations) Court Square, Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets, (19 Stations) 8th Ave to Union Square, Broadway Junction (20 stations) Astoria-Ditmars Blvd, 30th Avenue to 5th Ave/59th street, 49th Street to Atlantic Ave (13 Stations) 96th Street-2nd Ave to Lexington Ave-63rd St, Times Square-42nd Street to Canal street, Atlantic Ave, Prospect Park (19 Stations) Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Avenue, Lexington Ave/59th street to 5th Ave/59th Street , 49th Street to 8th Street-NYU, Canal St, Cortlandt St, Whitehall St-South Ferry to Jay St-Metro Tech, Atlantic ave, 86th Street, (28 Stations) Astoria-Ditmars Blvd, 30th Avenue to 5th Ave/59th street, 49th Street to 8th Street-NYU, Canal St, Cortlandt St, Whitehall St-South Ferry (4 Stations) / Fulton St to Canal St, Broadway Junction Sutphin, Blvd-JFK (25 stations) Franklin All stations. Rockaway none (5 Station) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 19, 2020 Share #671 Posted June 19, 2020 Rumor through the grapevine is Sea Beach is being prepped for installation so it might be next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted June 20, 2020 Share #672 Posted June 20, 2020 There is a good amount of info in this month's capital program committee book One tidbit is that there will no longer be a virtual OMNY card (one that can be loaded into Apple or Google Pay and used in lieu of a physical OMNY card or other payment card). I wonder if that feature would have been used much anyway given contactless and mobile wallet (credit/debit) capabilities. Also the fact that a time based pass will be able to be accessed with any payment instrument linked to an OMNY account https://new.mta.info/document/17896 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 21, 2020 Share #673 Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said: There is a good amount of info in this month's capital program committee book One tidbit is that there will no longer be a virtual OMNY card (one that can be loaded into Apple or Google Pay and used in lieu of a physical OMNY card or other payment card). I wonder if that feature would have been used much anyway given contactless and mobile wallet (credit/debit) capabilities. Also the fact that a time based pass will be able to be accessed with any payment instrument linked to an OMNY account https://new.mta.info/document/17896 What page is that on? Maybe I glossed over that specific point. One way I could see the digital card being handy is for TransitChek; it'd reduce the need to physically issue cards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwes Posted June 21, 2020 Share #674 Posted June 21, 2020 14 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: What page is that on? Maybe I glossed over that specific point. One way I could see the digital card being handy is for TransitChek; it'd reduce the need to physically issue cards. Page 14 of 76. Using transit debit cards (funded by pre tax dollars) which do not currently support being added to digital wallets, I think was going to be the best use case here. Similar to the Hop Fastpass app by TriMet (Oregon). Either they're not taking those use cases into consideration, consider it a small enough group not to matter, or are expecting transit card providers (Benefit Resource Inc., Wage Works) to release/update/add-support-for-existing debit cards which will work with the digital wallets. This could put some pressure on them to do so. Just tried to add WageWorks Commuter Card (debit) to Wallet now, to make sure, and its still not supported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted June 21, 2020 Share #675 Posted June 21, 2020 I think the use case was going to be those who wanted a digital only card. Again given that contactless credit and debit cards will later be able to be linked to an OMNY account, the digital only card doesnt make sense Speaking from experience, the digital card wouldnt offer any advantage to transit benefit users like myself. The future accomodations for transit benefits will probably be some combination of the following, based on other transit agencies' setups (in my opinion) 1. Direct administrator load to OMNY account, with the user possibly having to get an OMNY card if they want one. Remember that registered users will have balances and products in an account, not (just) a card. (Like PATH, DC Metro, Chicago) 2. Use of existing TB debit cards to load accounts online (like Easypay Metrocard but better) or at a vending machine 3. Contactless TB debit cards that can be associated with an OMNY account or used for pay per ride, both scenarios the card is used directly at OMNY readers 4. (Unlikely) distribution of OMNY cards by the administrator that come loaded with value or time, much like today's metrocards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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