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Judge Tells MTA To Find Money For More Subway Elevators: 'You Find It For Other Things'

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2 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

I wouldn't see this being used at stop with high traffic levels, but I could see it at stops that are difficult to add elevators to and/or have low ridership (ex. Courtleyou/Beverly Rd stations and the Rockaways).

Yeah exactly. It's a easy cheap way to make the subway more accessible and meeting ADA standards. Of course that wouldn't work in busy stations but it's a good solution at less used stations. These things don't need to be efficient, they just need to be there as an option.

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5 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

So what else do we do?

Give up on it. The IRT waiting until the initial structure had already been partially constructed under Flatbush Avenue and deciding to tack a bunch of stuff onto that killed the idea before it was even brought about. Making the station deeper at this point would require extensive reconstruction of largely or completely unrelated structures just to make it feasible, which would serve as a detriment to service within and beyond Brooklyn. Had conditions been more favorable, this wouldn't be an issue, but everything works against this station.

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2 hours ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

I honestly don't know if that "acorn stairlift" type thing will work, but I will say that if it did, it likely wouldn't be going in a super high ridership station that demands that people must get through it as quickly as possible. This would belong in a smaller to moderate station whose area (population wise) is little served by accessibility, where it could have it's uses as people don't need to move too efficiently. Anything bigger than that, and the elevators the way to go, no debate there.

IIRC these were actually developed for and are commonly seen in China, which is hardly a slouch when it comes to subway ridership.

The main problem with those is that IIRC they need a human operator. In Asia that would be the station agent.

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On 5/29/2019 at 12:35 PM, Lex said:

And what, pray tell, would it be anchored to?

Make it slanted like at Hudson Yards, or build a sidewalk bulge into the #3 lanes on Flatbush...

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44 minutes ago, Deucey said:

Make it slanted like at Hudson Yards, or build a sidewalk bulge into the #3 lanes on Flatbush...

But what would it be anchored to? It would still need support from below.

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18 hours ago, Lex said:

But what would it be anchored to? It would still need support from below.

If it’s on a bulge, the platform.

if it’s slanted, the platform.

The stairs aren’t above the trackways - they’re above the platforms.

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1 minute ago, Deucey said:

If it’s on a bulge, the platform.

if it’s slanted, the platform.

The stairs aren’t above the trackways - they’re above the platforms.

And what part of the platform would it be sitting on?

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On 6/2/2019 at 4:25 AM, Lex said:

And what part of the platform would it be sitting on?

That's the $xxx,xxx question.  Some of these platforms are very narrow.  

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12 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

That's the $xxx,xxx question.  Some of these platforms are very narrow.  

The local tunnel/track was shifted outwards at 72 street West IRT to put in elevators on widened platforms. Pretty damn impressive for 21st century extreme costs and penny pinching by MTA.

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2 hours ago, bulk88 said:

The local tunnel/track was shifted outwards at 72 street West IRT to put in elevators on widened platforms. Pretty damn impressive for 21st century extreme costs and penny pinching by MTA.

That it was, but that has been seemingly one of the only exceptions.  I'm not sure how many of these stations can handle having ADA work being done. 

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2 hours ago, bulk88 said:

The local tunnel/track was shifted outwards at 72 street West IRT to put in elevators on widened platforms. Pretty damn impressive for 21st century extreme costs and penny pinching by MTA.

Making that station accessible was also easier because a mezzanine could be built at street level (which is evident from the old control house at that station), as well as having a bit more room around it to play with.

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The MTA can look at Nevins Street when it gets to it. For now, there are hundreds of stations in which it is definitely possible to add an elevator, and in which the MTA hasn't added anything yet. The MTA can add elevators to all of those, and then it can try to fix stations like Nevins Street. Maybe it can't add elevators in a couple stations, like Nevins Street, but that's no excuse for not adding elevators into the ESI or Astoria plans, or other future renovations.

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On 6/2/2019 at 4:25 AM, Lex said:

And what part of the platform would it be sitting on?

The part where one of the stairs are.

And to really simplify it, one elevator from the surface to the platform with a Paris-style fare gate and cage for folks to pay the fare one at a time to enter the platform.

Y’all act like its impossible to do this or build a ramp like at 42nd St on the Downtown (A)...

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39 minutes ago, Deucey said:

The part where one of the stairs are.

Ah, yes, the platform edge. What could possibly be wrong with this idea?

 

41 minutes ago, Deucey said:

And to really simplify it, one elevator from the surface to the platform with a Paris-style fare gate and cage for folks to pay the fare one at a time to enter the platform.

Who needs any modicum of efficiency, anyway?

42 minutes ago, Deucey said:

Y’all act like its impossible to do this or build a ramp like at 42nd St on the Downtown (A)...

Gee, I wonder why that could be?

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